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Battlefront Demo Out Final Blitzkrieg - 4/1/2016 10:23:18 PM   
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Okay guys demo is out on Final Blitzkrieg, download in a few minutes

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RE: Battlefront Demo Out Final Blitzkrieg - 4/1/2016 11:02:54 PM   
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Awesome!

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RE: Battlefront Demo Out Final Blitzkrieg - 4/1/2016 11:09:06 PM   
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Ugh.

*Image of thousands of horny CM players sprinting towards BFC's little portal - and me at the end of the pack*

Drats!

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RE: Battlefront Demo Out Final Blitzkrieg - 4/1/2016 11:39:23 PM   
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Great thanks for the tip........Yes cant refuse a CM game ( But will try to hold out )

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RE: Battlefront Demo Out Final Blitzkrieg - 4/2/2016 2:58:14 AM   
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I had a quick play with it. It looks good. I was a huge fan of the first series but avoided Shock Force because of the negative reviews and lack of interest in the theatre (although they were prescient there and I believe it's been improved immensely).

I've been meaning to get into the second generation WW2 stuff and probably Black Sea too. At least I can get things bundled by waiting. As for their prices, as far as bang for the buck is concerned, compare it with just about any other form of entertainment. I still think it's a bargain.

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RE: Battlefront Demo Out Final Blitzkrieg - 4/2/2016 5:57:58 AM   
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downloaded and installed, will give a opinion once played, ty











games got some good camera angles, but again in this and many other games for me i don't like map edges, seems in FPS and RPG they have the ability to make maps massive with some engines used while others are like this limited to a set size, yes this is just one of many in the game, and others are a lot larger, but it's the same for me, a square box, i'd like bigger maps, you can't compare with some game types but when i see the GF's lad playing on Grand Theft Auto and other games tbh, i feel the wargaming market as yet to really go on a large map spree and really push the boat out, the draw distance and the way it deals with certain angles also doesn't do it justice for me, seems old i'm sorry to say, effects and details are nice, overall i'd get it and add to the collection i already own, but just feel longing for a bit more of well everything, as nothing really new here either, new maps, new units, new missions in a different theatre, but it's not ground breaking or stands out much more imo than the others in the series.

but i won't knock it either, as like i've said many times before, i'll play and test anything, as they all need supporting as we don't get any younger and most newer players are of the same age as most of us.

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RE: Battlefront Demo Out Final Blitzkrieg - 4/2/2016 7:53:53 AM   
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medium size map, load time 30 to 45 seconds on fast pc, draw setup set to max display, a few issues with refresh and draw being redone on the slightest mouse move




background and sun displayed gives a good feeling of atmosphere and also does draw shadows correctly, camera and lens flare are in on the highest settings.




buildings do go see through at times so you do see what's on the other side for a few seconds until screen redraws the whole image




for the size of the map, the amount of units here in this mission is low, and the skirmish mode doesn't work in the demo so can't try huge maps and max units size either so will have to wait on this, unit types and mix of ability to pick and chose is good, map terrain type and places to wage war is also very good

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RE: Battlefront Demo Out Final Blitzkrieg - 4/2/2016 8:05:01 AM   
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map can look cluttered at time but i'm sure it can be toggled on and off (alt i)




what really puts me off is the draw refresh rate, the more i move, the more it really bothers me, as one slight mouse move makes the whole terrain refresh and redraw

will mess about with settings as it seems the game engine on max everything is maybe struggling as pc surly isn't

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RE: Battlefront Demo Out Final Blitzkrieg - 4/2/2016 11:05:06 AM   
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what really puts me off is the draw refresh rate, the more i move, the more it really bothers me, as one slight mouse move makes the whole terrain refresh and redraw

will mess about with settings as it seems the game engine on max everything is maybe struggling as pc surly isn't


I really love Battlefront and the Combat Mission games but their engine is junk and they're stuck in this classic wargame developer sunk cost fallacy where they've spent so much time making their own bespoke engine that runs incredibly slowly and has a terrible UI but does everything in a way they've decided that they won't accept it would be a much better decision to just rebuild everything using Unity.

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RE: Battlefront Demo Out Final Blitzkrieg - 4/2/2016 11:15:22 AM   
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must admit Unity and others are the way forward now, so agree

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RE: Battlefront Demo Out Final Blitzkrieg - 4/2/2016 2:15:43 PM   
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I have most of the games and the one thing I don't like is that it doesn't have the color boxes on the bottom of the unit. I liked them for gameplay

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RE: Battlefront Demo Out Final Blitzkrieg - 4/3/2016 12:33:42 AM   
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I find that with the CMx2 games you are much better off setting the graphics to "Improved" or at the most whatever is one notch higher than that. The way their engine works, if you set the graphics too high it throttles itself back automatically and you end up with everything redrawing all the time like you said. The quality isn't that much different between mid setting and max, so you are better off setting it lower to get a cleaner performance from the engine.

I'm right there with you regarding the engine. What REALLY drives me up the wall is that each game has it's own engine, that needs its own unique patch, even though they are all 99% the exact same thing. So now we end up with one game getting critical, game altering changes in a patch, but having to wait a year for those same fixes to be transferred over to the other titles. I really can't fathom the lack of foresight that led them down this road to having a dozen different iterations of the same engine. Instead of releasing a half dozen more "families" of games, they reboot and go with something like DCS World or Command Ops 2. Release a core engine that has a handful of scenarios for free, then sell factions, theaters, etc as modules. They could even contract out for third-party content just like DCS World. I brought this up over there once and Steve basically said he agreed but they were too committed to start over and do something like that.

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RE: Battlefront Demo Out Final Blitzkrieg - 4/3/2016 4:42:35 AM   
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I've never liked the icons above the heads of the units either. It's sooooo unrealistic. I think I can tell the difference between a german an american soldier and tank. I could accept colored bases like a green and a grey but the icons really spoil the game for me. The other thing has always been the horrible AI. It either just sits there and gets pounded by mortar and bombardments or charges over an open field when there are woods to both sides and get slaughtered. While the game looks fantastic for a minatures game it's just not a very good development of a wargame. Now, Panzer Command Osfront I can tolerate. The AI does some very remarkable things sometimes and overwhelms me. That's a good developed wargame.

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RE: Battlefront Demo Out Final Blitzkrieg - 4/3/2016 1:33:55 PM   
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I've never liked the icons above the heads of the units either. It's sooooo unrealistic. I think I can tell the difference between a german an american soldier and tank. I could accept colored bases like a green and a grey but the icons really spoil the game for me. The other thing has always been the horrible AI. It either just sits there and gets pounded by mortar and bombardments or charges over an open field when there are woods to both sides and get slaughtered. While the game looks fantastic for a minatures game it's just not a very good development of a wargame. Now, Panzer Command Osfront I can tolerate. The AI does some very remarkable things sometimes and overwhelms me. That's a good developed wargame.


Good point, all points are right on, changing the engine all the times and it really turned me off with the Combat Mission Normandy, I bought the game for quite a price and then after all the costs, they come out with a upgrade 3.0 which I haven't bought. I purchased Red Thunder - never play it.

I really loved Combat Mission Barbarossa to Berlin (CMBB)and it's still one of the best games out there. It was easy to find the units and the write up on the scenario's was quite easy.

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RE: Battlefront Demo Out Final Blitzkrieg - 4/4/2016 1:05:36 AM   
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Thing I like about CM series most is you can roll back the cameras and see who shot you. I had a problem installing PCO on Win10 machine, but might try it on Win7 rig.

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RE: Battlefront Demo Out Final Blitzkrieg - 4/4/2016 5:13:13 AM   
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Thing I like about CM series most is you can roll back the cameras and see who shot you. I had a problem installing PCO on Win10 machine, but might try it on Win7 rig.


Try this on install. Right Click the install icon before installing and using the compatibility mode XP if it has it. Otherwise use the oldest it allows you to.

I got many a game to work on Vista 64 this way that wouldn't otherwise install or play. Might work for you.

Boy, am I glad I never got on that upgrade train from XP. I pretty much had to take VISTA 64 when I bought my last computer in 2008. Man has it been a charm. I've listened and read the horror stories of Win 7, Win 8, Win 8.1 and now Win 10 all along that time of games no longer installing or working. Matrix even had to make a compatibility list at the top of this forum.

What I've decided to do when Vista no longer will install or play the games I want it to will probably just discontinue my gaming online and buy a real cheap laptop for forums and chatting and email and browsing.

I see no need to keep riding the MUST upgrade train Bill Gates is establishing and from what I read more intrusive than any other before it. The HAVE to updates and whatnot. Big Brother is getting too Big for me and I ain't lettin him in no mo gaming wise that is.

A lot depends on the direction Matrixgames/Slitherine go. For the money or for the established customers they already have. The move to Steam was a shock to me but they did still keep their site open for purchases as well and no Steam activation or client required. Just wondering how long that's gonna last though.

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RE: Battlefront Demo Out Final Blitzkrieg - 4/4/2016 6:00:02 PM   
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Thing I like about CM series most is you can roll back the cameras and see who shot you. I had a problem installing PCO on Win10 machine, but might try it on Win7 rig.


I have PCO running on a Win10 system. I don't recall needing to do anything special, though possibly specifying where I wanted to install. What kind of problem did you run into?

You can also rewind the camera to just before a hit (or other event) by Ctrl clicking on the event in the Message Log window.

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RE: Battlefront Demo Out Final Blitzkrieg - 4/4/2016 6:27:55 PM   
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What I've decided to do when Vista no longer will install or play the games I want it to will probably just discontinue my gaming online and buy a real cheap laptop for forums and chatting and email and browsing.

Keep your old machine for emails, forums and word processing. I still use my XP systems for that while I use my Vista for gaming and auto-CAD.


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RE: Battlefront Demo Out Final Blitzkrieg - 4/5/2016 12:38:15 AM   
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Thanks gentlemen. Actually Win10 has been pretty good to me, although I have Win7 on this computer.

Anyway I stand corrected. Matrix PCO has rewinding and I loved modding that game. The game installed fine on Win10 but had continued crashing while playing it.

Was also nice of them to upgrade old buyers to the new Ostfront package. I think I'll download to Win7 and see how it goes.


Thanks Rick, it works great. My Win10 problems I'm sure are on my end. Game doesn't require a lot of horsepower I can see anyway - Win7, 2.4ghz, 3 ram, HD-4650 and scrolls quite fast.

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RE: Battlefront Demo Out Final Blitzkrieg - 4/6/2016 3:13:09 PM   
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Thanks gentlemen. Actually Win10 has been pretty good to me, although I have Win7 on this computer.

Anyway I stand corrected. Matrix PCO has rewinding and I loved modding that game. The game installed fine on Win10 but had continued crashing while playing it.

Was also nice of them to upgrade old buyers to the new Ostfront package. I think I'll download to Win7 and see how it goes.


Thanks Rick, it works great. My Win10 problems I'm sure are on my end. Game doesn't require a lot of horsepower I can see anyway - Win7, 2.4ghz, 3 ram, HD-4650 and scrolls quite fast.


I have PCO running on Win 8.1 BUT I had to change the PC`s date format to MM/DD/YYYY


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RE: Battlefront Demo Out Final Blitzkrieg - 4/6/2016 3:14:23 PM   
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I`m enjoying the Demo. Feel a bit cold while playing though.........

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RE: Battlefront Demo Out Final Blitzkrieg - 4/6/2016 3:22:44 PM   
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THe CMx2 series..some love it others hate it. I fall in the first camp. I know it has it's quirks but as I don't see the market being swamped with deep, hard core tactical wargames then I for one am very happy we have Battlefront around making this series. My wargaming play time is far richer for them being around and making the CM games. So long may the series continue and I'm really waiting on the earlier war east front...Ypu see really at the moment all we have is the CM series and the Graviteam games making tactical wargames in 3D that aren't arcade click fests. Love to see more games join them from other developers. Until then I'm so pleased we have Battlefront and Graviteam around.

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RE: Battlefront Demo Out Final Blitzkrieg - 4/6/2016 3:33:04 PM   
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THe CMx2 series..some love it others hate it. I fall in the first camp. I know it has it's quirks but as I don't see the market being swamped with deep, hard core tactical wargames then I for one am very happy we have Battlefront around making this series. My wargaming play time is far richer for them being around and making the CM games. So long may the series continue and I'm really waiting on the earlier war east front...Ypu see really at the moment all we have is the CM series and the Graviteam games making tactical wargames in 3D that aren't arcade click fests. Love to see more games join them from other developers. Until then I'm so pleased we have Battlefront and Graviteam around.


Yes agreed wodin, and I know we enjoy both.
Sometimes I think these long standing developers get taken for granted, our gaming tastes can change but the developers are constant.

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RE: Battlefront Demo Out Final Blitzkrieg - 4/6/2016 5:22:39 PM   
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quote:

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THe CMx2 series..some love it others hate it. I fall in the first camp. I know it has it's quirks but as I don't see the market being swamped with deep, hard core tactical wargames then I for one am very happy we have Battlefront around making this series. My wargaming play time is far richer for them being around and making the CM games. So long may the series continue and I'm really waiting on the earlier war east front...Ypu see really at the moment all we have is the CM series and the Graviteam games making tactical wargames in 3D that aren't arcade click fests. Love to see more games join them from other developers. Until then I'm so pleased we have Battlefront and Graviteam around.


Yes agreed wodin, and I know we enjoy both.
Sometimes I think these long standing developers get taken for granted, our gaming tastes can change but the developers are constant.


I feel Battlefront & company changed the computer tactile wargame genre to which all others are judged and compared with!

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RE: Battlefront Demo Out Final Blitzkrieg - 4/6/2016 6:49:38 PM   
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RE: Battlefront Demo Out Final Blitzkrieg - 4/6/2016 6:53:07 PM   
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Thanks gentlemen. Actually Win10 has been pretty good to me, although I have Win7 on this computer.

Anyway I stand corrected. Matrix PCO has rewinding and I loved modding that game. The game installed fine on Win10 but had continued crashing while playing it.

Was also nice of them to upgrade old buyers to the new Ostfront package. I think I'll download to Win7 and see how it goes.


Thanks Rick, it works great. My Win10 problems I'm sure are on my end. Game doesn't require a lot of horsepower I can see anyway - Win7, 2.4ghz, 3 ram, HD-4650 and scrolls quite fast.


I have PCO running on Win 8.1 BUT I had to change the PC`s date format to MM/DD/YYYY



I recall that being an issue though I thought it had been addressed. But to be honest, I don't recall for sure. was this for the PCO Demo?

thanks
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RE: Battlefront Demo Out Final Blitzkrieg - 4/6/2016 9:35:39 PM   
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I watched a lot of the you tube videos that ChrisND from Battlefront put out for Final Blitzkrieg. In one of the videos he mentioned they are working on upgrading the existing CM engine to 4.0 and they are also starting work on a new game engine for future games.

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RE: Battlefront Demo Out Final Blitzkrieg - 4/6/2016 10:06:00 PM   
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I watched a lot of the you tube videos that ChrisND from Battlefront put out for Final Blitzkrieg. In one of the videos he mentioned they are working on upgrading the existing CM engine to 4.0 and they are also starting work on a new game engine for future games.


Wow! He did put out quite a few...thanks for the heads-up!

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RE: Battlefront Demo Out Final Blitzkrieg - 4/7/2016 12:18:56 AM   
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They will upgrade the engine and then charge us another 10-15 dollars

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RE: Battlefront Demo Out Final Blitzkrieg - 4/7/2016 12:21:09 AM   
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Game is now out and up for download..

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