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RE: Pet Peeves II - 3/12/2016 10:18:43 PM   
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BillBrown, please don't give me an elbow to the chops.

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RE: Pet Peeves II - 3/12/2016 10:28:16 PM   
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But nothing of interest for the lads at Festung Meade in Mary's Land ;)


Our motto was 'In God we trust, all others we monitor'.

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have you spent time at Ft. Meade?


No, but I did work for them back in the day.

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Exactly.

As to what the gorn has posted, I've just learned to ignore all that stuff when online.



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RE: Pet Peeves II - 3/12/2016 10:41:33 PM   
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Oberst: What part of WV do you visit. I live in WV.


I was born in Charleston WV, then abandoned by my gorn parents because I was too ugly.

Don't feel bad for me, I was soon adopted by human parents because it was St. Patty's day.

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RE: Pet Peeves II - 3/13/2016 1:28:10 AM   
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"The Newsroom" was excellent. Watched it several times. The pilot episode is perhaps the best one-hour of television ever made, at least in terms of character introduction and premise.

You should watch "The Sopranos." At least the first season, which can be viewed as a self-contained arc. It's the show that utterly changed the direction of US television and set off the devolution of network control we see in full flower today with Net-delivered content. It's a Greek tragedy in form; it has a pilot that is paid off eight (?) seasons later in the last episode. (Tip: the ducks in Tony's pool are not an accident.) James G. absolutely inhabits Tony Soprano--an acting process for the ages. If you write fiction you appreciate that the "story question" is presented overtly in one, classic line of Tony's in his first meeting with Dr. Melfi. The show has symbolism in its music selections, its still pictures in set design, and in the movies Tony views on his TV. Nothing is by accident, everything ties together. Even the opening credit sequence, with its now-classic song by Alabama 3, is a time machine trip through the NJ Mafia's recent history, as well as Tony's life.

"The Sopranos" is big-boy television. It's adult in every meaning of the word, including the violence, but far more than that. It's well worth your time.


Television is where the stories are being told today. Movies have become violence porn, and a lot of movie actors who want to tell stories are going to the little screen. JK Rowlings said that if Harry Potter was being put on a screen today, she would insist on it being a TV series instead of a series of movies.

When my SO and I met, I had satellite TV, but I had turned it off a year or two before because I just wasn't watching it. I watched a couple of programs a week but otherwise didn't watch TV. She grew up doing theater and planned on being an actor until she spent a summer doing reparatory theater and realized she didn't want to spend her life with those people. Her ambition was to be a director, so she looks at movies and TV through a somewhat professional eye. We turned the satellite back on for her and we've been watching some of the best of TV ever since.

I wasn't as impressed with the Sopranos as a lot of people were, but then Star Wars didn't impress me as much as it did a lot of people. I thought it was well done though.

I thought Breaking Bad was better. The pitch Vince Gilligan made was they were going to start with Mr Chips and turn him into Scarface and they did a masterful job. It's a 5 year movie and very intense. The prequel Better Call Saul has every lawyer I know going ga ga. All of them say it's probably the most accurate show about lawyers ever made.

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RE: Pet Peeves II - 3/13/2016 1:53:38 AM   
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Television is where the stories are being told today. Movies have become violence porn, and a lot of movie actors who want to tell stories are going to the little screen. JK Rowlings said that if Harry Potter was being put on a screen today, she would insist on it being a TV series instead of a series of movies.

When my SO and I met, I had satellite TV, but I had turned it off a year or two before because I just wasn't watching it. I watched a couple of programs a week but otherwise didn't watch TV. She grew up doing theater and planned on being an actor until she spent a summer doing reparatory theater and realized she didn't want to spend her life with those people. Her ambition was to be a director, so she looks at movies and TV through a somewhat professional eye. We turned the satellite back on for her and we've been watching some of the best of TV ever since.

I wasn't as impressed with the Sopranos as a lot of people were, but then Star Wars didn't impress me as much as it did a lot of people. I thought it was well done though.

I thought Breaking Bad was better. The pitch Vince Gilligan made was they were going to start with Mr Chips and turn him into Scarface and they did a masterful job. It's a 5 year movie and very intense. The prequel Better Call Saul has every lawyer I know going ga ga. All of them say it's probably the most accurate show about lawyers ever made.

Bill


"The Sopranos" is going on twenty years old, but for its time it was shattering. We take it for granted now that HBO is series with a few movies to fill in the corners. Then and since it was founded it was all-movies, all the time. Tony and Co. was a big risk.

"Breaking Bad" is in my Netflix to-watch list, along with a couple of years of other viewing. We've only had Netflix about three months. It's miles deep. Like "Game of Thrones" I'll have to watch BB alone. Girl of the Prairie doesn't do the violence stuff.

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RE: Pet Peeves II - 3/13/2016 2:29:36 AM   
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I am not a big fan of violence either, but love the Game of Thrones for the characters and the unpredictability of who is going to be offed next.

The Sopranos was ground breaking because it discarded the Mafia stereotypes that we got from movies and showed us gangsters who had real people problems like family, jerks at work, secrets that would be embarrassing if they got out, and the age old question of "What's it (life) all about?" No easy answers and no tidy endings.

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RE: Pet Peeves II - 3/13/2016 5:29:32 AM   
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"The Sopranos" is going on twenty years old, but for its time it was shattering. We take it for granted now that HBO is series with a few movies to fill in the corners. Then and since it was founded it was all-movies, all the time. Tony and Co. was a big risk.

"Breaking Bad" is in my Netflix to-watch list, along with a couple of years of other viewing. We've only had Netflix about three months. It's miles deep. Like "Game of Thrones" I'll have to watch BB alone. Girl of the Prairie doesn't do the violence stuff.


HBO has been producing their own programming since the mid-1970s though they started stepping it up in the late 1990s.

Game of Thrones has a lot more graphic violence than Breaking Bad. Some scenes in GoT make me squeamish, but there was less of that in Breaking Bad. Though both are violent.

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RE: Pet Peeves II - 3/13/2016 7:50:26 PM   
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When my SO and I met, I had satellite TV, but I had turned it off a year or two before because I just wasn't watching it. I watched a couple of programs a week but otherwise didn't watch TV. She grew up doing theater and planned on being an actor until she spent a summer doing reparatory theater and realized she didn't want to spend her life with those people. Her ambition was to be a director, so she looks at movies and TV through a somewhat professional eye. We turned the satellite back on for her and we've been watching some of the best of TV ever since.


Bill


I hope nobody has to watch TV alone, I think I'd go mad.


On violence, there's different flavors. If it's impossible to lower your sense of credibility, that sort of thing doesn't bother me, think Lord of the Rings or Star Wars. Opressively gory stuff (think Chainsaws) just is painful.
On the other hand, I've never seen "Psycho" through, I just can't take it. On the other other hand (gorns have three, one hidden), I went to see "Jaws" at the theatre and I was watching through the spaces between my fingers so I can snap them shut if I know something's about to happen.
"Jaws" is such a good movie I got over it and must have seen it a hundred times. When I went to see "Saving Private Ryan" I couldn't speak for over a half hour and even then just a syllable now and then.
Violence against women and children really upsets me sometimes.


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RE: Pet Peeves II - 3/13/2016 9:50:18 PM   
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Violence against women and children really upsets me sometimes.



Then you probably won't want to watch Game of Thrones - particularly Season 5. You'll forever hate the actor who portrayed Thomas Jefferson in the HBO series, John Adams.

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RE: Pet Peeves II - 3/13/2016 10:12:30 PM   
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Television is where the stories are being told today. Movies have become violence porn, and a lot of movie actors who want to tell stories are going to the little screen. JK Rowlings said that if Harry Potter was being put on a screen today, she would insist on it being a TV series instead of a series of movies.



Industry rumors have it that when Warner Bros forced the final edit of The Departed into something that bordered on nonsensical (some might uncharitably call it farce), Martin Scorcese swore never to work with a major studio again. He seems to have found a much more accommodating home at HBO, which is famous for allowing its artists full control of their projects and sticking with them through mediocre ratings. HBO does occasionally slip, such as when they forced David Milch to wrap up Deadwood abruptly so he could focus all of his attention on John from Cinncinati.

Game of Thrones is a very interesting experiment in parallel stories - with the TV series now outpacing the books and seemingly going in different directions. Most authors would be livid and uncooperative, but George R.R. Martin's background is in television (he was a writer for several seasons of the CBS series Beauty and the Beast in the 1980s). He understands the time pressures and production limitations inherent in television and seems content to let the GOT screenwriters go where they want.

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RE: Pet Peeves II - 3/14/2016 1:24:24 AM   
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Game of Thrones is a very interesting experiment in parallel stories - with the TV series now outpacing the books and seemingly going in different directions. Most authors would be livid and uncooperative, but George R.R. Martin's background is in television (he was a writer for several seasons of the CBS series Beauty and the Beast in the 1980s). He understands the time pressures and production limitations inherent in television and seems content to let the GOT screenwriters go where they want.


The "extras" in the on-demand version of GOT, and I assume the DVDs, which I don't have, indicate the two show-runners have met with him in highly secure locations and he has shared in detail where he intends to take the books through completion. They of course are free to deviate under their contract.

That the books are now behind the show is his fault, not theirs. He's blown past several deadlines for the one due.

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RE: Pet Peeves II - 3/14/2016 1:36:49 AM   
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Game of Thrones is a very interesting experiment in parallel stories - with the TV series now outpacing the books and seemingly going in different directions. Most authors would be livid and uncooperative, but George R.R. Martin's background is in television (he was a writer for several seasons of the CBS series Beauty and the Beast in the 1980s). He understands the time pressures and production limitations inherent in television and seems content to let the GOT screenwriters go where they want.


The "extras" in the on-demand version of GOT, and I assume the DVDs, which I don't have, indicate the two show-runners have met with him in highly secure locations and he has shared in detail where he intends to take the books through completion. They of course are free to deviate under their contract.

That the books are now behind the show is his fault, not theirs. He's blown past several deadlines for the one due.

Hey, when you are fabulously wealthy and getting on in age, where is the incentive to produce for a deadline?

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RE: Pet Peeves II - 3/14/2016 4:17:05 PM   
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Game of Thrones is a very interesting experiment in parallel stories - with the TV series now outpacing the books and seemingly going in different directions. Most authors would be livid and uncooperative, but George R.R. Martin's background is in television (he was a writer for several seasons of the CBS series Beauty and the Beast in the 1980s). He understands the time pressures and production limitations inherent in television and seems content to let the GOT screenwriters go where they want.


The "extras" in the on-demand version of GOT, and I assume the DVDs, which I don't have, indicate the two show-runners have met with him in highly secure locations and he has shared in detail where he intends to take the books through completion. They of course are free to deviate under their contract.

That the books are now behind the show is his fault, not theirs. He's blown past several deadlines for the one due.

Hey, when you are fabulously wealthy and getting on in age, where is the incentive to produce for a deadline?


Maybe that thing our mothers called, at least in the South, "home trainin'."

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RE: Pet Peeves II - 3/14/2016 9:27:52 PM   
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This isn't true is it? Weren't they crewed by either the Coast Guard or the Navy? Is this "having" them like they owned the battleships that gave them artillery support?




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RE: Pet Peeves II - 3/16/2016 12:34:39 AM   
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I am surprised nobody answered, but it appears the answer is not true. I can find no records of the Army "owning" these vessels.





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RE: Pet Peeves II - 3/16/2016 12:39:12 AM   
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I didn't think so, but then again...

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RE: Pet Peeves II - 3/16/2016 3:47:13 PM   
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Any squid will tell you: those aren't ships, they're "boats" (said with a sneer).

i.e. any bozo with a paddle can "captain" a boat.

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RE: Pet Peeves II - 3/16/2016 7:36:40 PM   
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The USArmy operated a crapload of ships during WW2. Fear the wiki.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ships_of_the_United_States_Army

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RE: Pet Peeves II - 3/17/2016 6:01:16 PM   
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Thanks for that. I believe the transports and other large vessels were operated mostly with Merchant Marine crews and with commercial contractors managing them.

Also note that the Coast Guard operated many of them.

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RE: Pet Peeves II - 3/17/2016 8:18:37 PM   
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Yeah, 'owning' is probably just an admin term. I imagine the Army was responsible for crew payroll, maintenance, etc. for budgeting purposes. What that meant for those ships after the war would depend on whether they were built for the Army, requisitioned or leased. The contracts for this sort of thing must have filled warehouses.

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RE: Pet Peeves II - 3/17/2016 8:20:37 PM   
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Yeah, 'owning' is probably just an admin term. I imagine the Army was responsible for crew payroll, maintenance, etc. for budgeting purposes. What that meant for those ships after the war would depend on whether they were built for the Army, requisitioned or leased. The contracts for this sort of thing must have filled warehouses.

Yeah, that was the real reason they built the Pentagon - so the clerks could file all the contracts!

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RE: Pet Peeves II - 3/17/2016 8:34:32 PM   
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Yeah, 'owning' is probably just an admin term. I imagine the Army was responsible for crew payroll, maintenance, etc. for budgeting purposes. What that meant for those ships after the war would depend on whether they were built for the Army, requisitioned or leased. The contracts for this sort of thing must have filled warehouses.

Yeah, that was the real reason they built the Pentagon - so the clerks could file all the contracts!

Imagine all the paperwork they had to do before computers.

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RE: Pet Peeves II - 3/18/2016 12:32:53 AM   
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Imagine all the paperwork they had to do before computers.


Sometimes I feel that computers just generate more paper work.

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