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TOAW IV features - 7/18/2015 9:20:45 PM   
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I’ll now try to encapsulate TOAW IV’s new features, without going into too much detail.

I. There are a number of new naval warfare features. If you’ve seen my AARs on my Jutland 1916, Denmark Straits 1941, Pearl Harbor 1941, and Midway 1942 scenarios, you’ll have seen some hints about some of this.

• The modeling of ships has been improved. Instead of treating ships as a single piece of equipment, like a gun or a squad, they are now treated as complex systems that incur damage in combat. Only upon incurring 100 damage points will a ship be destroyed. Damage levels less than 100 affect a number of the ship’s strengths. Ships have new armor, durability, accuracy, speed, and agility parameters. These are either derived from strength and flag values, or explicitly set by the designer in a new naval equipment file. There is limited ability to repair damage at sea and significantly more in port.

• Embarked units no longer employ their own strengths in defense. Now those are fixed appropriate for a naval transport. Damage inflicted on embarked units destroys that weight of embarked equipment.

• Naval combat now evaluates attackers’ Anti-Naval strengths as individual shots/planes – employing their shell weights to determine armor penetration and resulting damage. This includes the chances of critical hits. Damage incurred is shown in the Combat Report and Unit Report.

• Sea Interdiction can now be employed by aircraft, ships, and coastal guns. There is a new Sea Interdiction mission for air units to do so. Ship and coastal guns do so automatically. Ships subjected to sea interdiction fire counterbattery back (or, in the case of carriers, counterstrikes).

• Group movement of naval units causes them to defend together if interdicted – forming an “ad hoc” task force.

• Ships and embarked units are subject to Sea Spotting, in addition to normal recon methods. There is surface spotting done by naval units at sea and land units on coastal hexes. And there is air spotting by air units set to Sea Interdiction or Air Superiority. Most such spotting is dynamic – like a land unit entering a peak hex. Presence of radar is modeled via the All Weather flag.

• Ships skirting the coastline no longer reveal land units along the coast.

• Naval targeting is modeled so that ships in a target hex are prioritized for attack by value.

• There is a Port Attack option to allow ships in port to be focused on.


II. Supply has received a few enhancements.

• There is now an intermediate supply state that falls between “Supplied” and “Unsupplied”. It’s called “Overextended”. If you’ve seen my AARs on my Soviet Union 1941 Motorized Variant or Soviet Union 1941 Early Variant you will have seen some hints about this. Basically, the designer can set a new game parameter called the Overextended Supply Threshold. That is the location supply value below which locations are overextended. Units in such hexes will function somewhat between how supplied and unsupplied units function. The result will be that it will be much more difficult for units to press on at red-lined unit conditions from such locations.

• Motorized unit movement over improved roads can be set by the designer to be less than one MP per improved road hex (for example, ½ MP per hex). If optioned, this affects supply in that supply lines traced over improved roads will extend proportionately further than over other terrain, like regular roads. Note how this would especially affect desert scenarios.

• The limit of 50% unit supply recovery per turn has been lifted.


III. There is a new Battlefield Time Stamp feature intended to address the hated “turn burn” issue. To recap, up to TOAW IV, after all combats were resolved the player-turn advanced to the combat round of the longest lasting combat. So a single long-lasting combat could burn up most or all of the player-turn. This was especially a problem for the larger scenarios because the more combats a phase resolved, the more likely one of them would suffer from being very long lasting. Beginners, especially, soured on this factor of the game. The new feature changes this as follow:

• Now, the player-turn advances to the median length combat round (instead of the longest).

• That will generally mean that about half the combats lasted longer than the round of the next phase. This is accounted for by placing a Battlefield Time Stamp (BTS) in those hexes. Each BTS has a value equal to its ending combat round.

• BTS are also created by overrunning units. In those cases their value is equal to the time stamp of the overrunning unit upon capturing the RBC hex. This fixes the time-machine effect of overruns.

• BTSs affect the cost to enter the BTS hex and the start of combats into the hex.

• BTSs are shown on the map by a dedicated graphic.

• BTSs expire and are removed when the player-turn’s combat round reaches their value.

• The BTS feature may also be used to resolve the issue with late units that block defenders’ retreat paths (This is still under development).


IV. Other game features.

• Range Limits: Ranged units can have their nominal ranges player limited. This can be used to tailor bomber ranges to match fighter cover ranges or to make units with multiple range equipment operate within the range of the shortest-ranged equipment. The DBR will reflect the modified range.

• Deployment Recovery: Ranged units retain their deployment states after combat and ground assaulters can recover theirs if a planned combat is canceled.

• New Bridge Destruction Rules: There is an option to limit bridge hexes (for destruction purposes) to locations where the road feature graphically crosses the river feature.


• Combat Report Review. Combat reports are saved in the pbl/sal files for review by both players during their player turns.

• The Combat Report now makes it clear how each combat consumed rounds. It is better organized so that players can tell more easily which units participated and how long. There will be optional combat graphics to show participating units and their equipment as they are employed. And, if the player-turn ends after the combat phase there is a report that details why it ended.

• The designer will be able to preset Advanced Rules Options for his scenarios. The player will still be allowed to override his recommendations.

• Adoption of Matrix’s PBEM++ system.


V. New Editor features.

• Various scenario parameter limits were increased:

 Event slots increased from 999 to 10,000
 Units per side increased from 2,000 to 10,000
 Formations per side increased from 400 to 1,000
 Map Boundaries increased from 300x300 to 700x700
 Number of placenames increased from 800 to 4,000
 Supply points per side increased from 99 to 399
 Objectives per track increased from 39 to 99
 Distant location limit increased from 199 to 254
 Supply Radius limit increased from 25 to 100
 Equipment list limit increased from 2018 to 5000
 Theater Option limit increased from 16 to 64
 Event radii increased from 20 to 99
 Helicopters work with dates earlier than 1955

• A unit can have an alternate icon. Primary and alternate icons combine their abilities.

• Scenario modified equipment files (including the new naval equipment file) are now saved with the scenario and save files. So, no more mismatching equipment files by players.


VI. Interface Enhancements. A lot of these are still under development and what they will ultimately be is still sort of a moving target. But here are a few of the highlights either done or in progress:

• Dialogs now scale relative to font size. This allows users with huge screens to tailor the game to screen size.

• Dialogs now have scroll bars when appropriate.

• Some dialogs have sorting ability.

• There will be additional map zoom levels between the current ones.

• Control panel features will be hide-able – showing more of the map.

• Unit Panel can toggle to the Group Composition view.

• Enhanced PO Assist features to make it easier to use.

• Additional display options for the unit icon values other than the current AP and DF.

• Fonts settable within the game rather than the .ini file.

• More info on the Situation Report.


Other features may be added beyond these. It’s still a work in progress.

VII. New Map and Interface artwork. The graphics designer is Marc von Martial, a long-time Matrix veteran. He’s just getting started, but his sales pitch was very impressive. I’ll pass on showing any of those shots because first impressions are very important and, while those shots looked very good to me, they won’t be as good as his final versions.

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RE: TOAW IV features - 7/18/2015 11:20:33 PM   
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RE: TOAW IV features - 7/18/2015 11:32:22 PM   
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Thanks Bob

II Overextended sounds good for now. Have to wait several months for a final yea or nay.

III BTS is a welcome change. Sounds kind of what they use in Decisive Campaigns. A very welcome change.

• New Bridge Destruction Rules: There is an option to limit bridge hexes (for destruction purposes) to locations where the road feature graphically crosses the river feature.

This does not resolve the issue. Because rivers and roads both pass through the middle of the hex the graphics will show one crossing the other simply because they occupy the same hex, not because there is a bridge there. It would have been much better to create a bridge graphic and that is the only place a road can be blown. So, problem still exists but not as bad as before. Partial fix.

V Might not be enough place names.

No jump map. This is a huge pain for large to medium scenarios. Too much time spent scrolling, even with the mini map. :(

Badly need more counter colors. This has NEVER been addressed. Five rows per column is not enough. More columns are also needed.

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RE: TOAW IV features - 7/18/2015 11:44:43 PM   
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quote:

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• New Bridge Destruction Rules: There is an option to limit bridge hexes (for destruction purposes) to locations where the road feature graphically crosses the river feature.

This does not resolve the issue. Because rivers and roads both pass through the middle of the hex the graphics will show one crossing the other simply because they occupy the same hex, not because there is a bridge there. It would have been much better to create a bridge graphic and that is the only place a road can be blown. So, problem still exists but not as bad as before. Partial fix.


I'm not sure what you mean. Rivers and roads don't always graphically appear to cross each other within the hex. Only those cases where they do will be treated as bridges under this option.

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RE: TOAW IV features - 7/19/2015 12:00:22 AM   
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These are 'brigdes' simply because of the limitations of the game graphics. In fact these roads run along the river and do not cross it but the game makes it look that way because both the river and the road occupy the same hex. A bridge graphic would solve any and all bridge issues.

Another thing about this, if a river and a road occupy the same hex river crossing costs are eliminated whether or not that road crosses the river simply because they occupy the same hex. This will never be fixed. I can hear it now, 'what do they want, realism or a game?"

I suppose you could place the road a hex off from the river but then it's up to 50km from where it should be. Not exactly a good thing eh?

If the place names were increased a bit more we could place our own bridge graphics with the bmp files. But since each bmp graphic is a place name, with the 4k count we might run into problems with a big map.

In any event, thanks for the update Bob.





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RE: TOAW IV features - 7/19/2015 12:32:36 AM   
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I think it's cool that naval combat is being expanded.
This will certainly give the game a new feel.

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RE: TOAW IV features - 7/19/2015 12:45:22 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lobster

These are 'brigdes' simply because of the limitations of the game graphics. In fact these roads run along the river and do not cross it but the game makes it look that way because both the river and the road occupy the same hex.


You can solve that by hyphenating the river (that's the best I can describe it without a graphic - let me know if you can't figure it out). The game will work the same (unless you've got riverine forces) but will look a little funky.

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A bridge graphic would solve any and all bridge issues.


Nope. It would only solve it for that tiny fraction of scenarios that can be expected to receive future designer revision. This feature affects existing scenarios.

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Another thing about this, if a river and a road occupy the same hex river crossing costs are eliminated whether or not that road crosses the river simply because they occupy the same hex. This will never be fixed. I can hear it now, 'what do they want, realism or a game?"


I was working on a matrix for that, too. But I didn't want to overload Ralph.

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RE: TOAW IV features - 7/19/2015 12:48:40 AM   
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quote:

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I think it's cool that naval combat is being expanded.
This will certainly give the game a new feel.


Thanks. Although we've still got a way to go before we can pre-opt WitP.

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RE: TOAW IV features - 7/19/2015 1:02:15 AM   
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Thanks for posting this. Really like the improvements of naval combat, looking forward to see how this "BTS" thing works, could be a step forward realism. Kinda disappointed about the supply, I was expecting more radical changes. Oh well.
Glad to hear that some panels could be hidden, allowing to see more map. Nice.


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RE: TOAW IV features - 7/19/2015 1:21:54 AM   
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Kinda disappointed about the supply, I was expecting more radical changes. Oh well.


I try to ensure there's at least one supply enhancement per update.

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RE: TOAW IV features - 7/19/2015 1:25:20 AM   
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I try to ensure there's at least one supply enhancement per update.


You mean TOAW IV future updates, or updates of TOAW IV information?

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RE: TOAW IV features - 7/19/2015 1:30:13 AM   
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I try to ensure there's at least one supply enhancement per update.


You mean TOAW IV future updates, or updates of TOAW IV information?


The former.

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RE: TOAW IV features - 7/19/2015 2:13:41 AM   
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The former.


Got it, thanks.

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• Unit Panel can toggle to the Group Composition view.


I really hope that there will be more information in the unit panel in the main screen, regarding the number of men/equipment on hand, without the need to go to the dedicated unit screen. Many wargamens have this, shouldn't be very hard to do.

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RE: TOAW IV features - 7/19/2015 10:42:09 AM   
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Are you going to implement supply/reinforcements prioritisation? For instance, I want Formation A to get more supply/reinforcements than Formation B...

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RE: TOAW IV features - 7/19/2015 1:46:50 PM   
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The former.


Got it, thanks.

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• Unit Panel can toggle to the Group Composition view.


I really hope that there will be more information in the unit panel in the main screen, regarding the number of men/equipment on hand, without the need to go to the dedicated unit screen. Many wargamens have this, shouldn't be very hard to do.

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Interesting. But you'll probably have to wait for that.

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RE: TOAW IV features - 7/19/2015 1:54:56 PM   
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Are you going to implement supply/reinforcements prioritisation? For instance, I want Formation A to get more supply/reinforcements than Formation B...


You can focus supply via the supply unit feature.

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RE: TOAW IV features - 7/19/2015 3:15:25 PM   
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Thanks for posting this, things like the new naval combat system, the increase of Equipment list limit, the increase of map boundaries limit, etc. are awesome. But I also would like to know if the land combat system has been improved, You can say something about the land combat system? Thanks.

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RE: TOAW IV features - 7/19/2015 4:12:18 PM   
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Thanks for posting this, things like the new naval combat system, the increase of Equipment list limit, the increase of map boundaries limit, etc. are awesome. But I also would like to know if the land combat system has been improved, You can say something about the land combat system? Thanks.


There have been some bug fixes, such as that counterbattery now occurs after the battery that triggered it (instead of before). Also note the impact that deployment recovery will have on land combat: You can assign an artillery unit directly to an attack with no fear that it will be left in a non-support mode if your turn ends early. There's also the improvements to the combat report.

But most of the improvements to land combat were in the 3.4.1.9 update.

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RE: TOAW IV features - 7/19/2015 4:45:13 PM   
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quote:

A bridge graphic would solve any and all bridge issues.


Nope. It would only solve it for that tiny fraction of scenarios that can be expected to receive future designer revision. This feature affects existing scenarios.




What I meant was something like the oil field or factory graphics that were added in 3.? that could be placed on any map. While it would be possible for a scenario designer to make their own there would still be the possibility of running up against the new 4k place name limit. I know this sounds like a lot but it's not really. There are a lot of things to be named and once you start adding factories, oil fields, bridges, etc., to the mix that 4k can vanish fast.

So, if we could get a small bump, say to 5k or 6k place names, it could only be good.

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RE: TOAW IV features - 7/19/2015 6:52:36 PM   
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"Sea Interdiction
Event slots increased from 999 to 10,000
Units per side increased from 2,000 to 10,000
Formations per side increased from 400 to 1,000
Map Boundaries increased from 300x300 to 700x700"...etc.

you know what this means...I will never leave my basement, my wife will leave me, and my kids will forget me.


Thank you Bob - the improvements sound just what TOAW needed.

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RE: TOAW IV features - 7/20/2015 3:31:36 AM   
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Fantastic :)

A question about naval recce of adjacent land hexes - will there be a dedicated recce function of some sort to "replace" this??

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RE: TOAW IV features - 7/20/2015 5:59:45 AM   
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Great list of (initial?) features, sounds good. I really like the naval improvements and Trusted PBEM mode, cool.

The editor enhancements sound great, but hopefully they'll be accompanied by some serious UI enhancements (including for the event editor).

I still hope to see hex-side rivers.

Very much looking forward to some screen shots when they are ready.

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RE: TOAW IV features - 7/20/2015 9:16:00 AM   
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That's.... an impressive list. Well done. I have one clarification based on a discussion I had with Ralph literally years ago;


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• Trusted PBEM. If opted, such games can use PO Assist and be exported to an XML file.


Does this mean I can or can't get the save back into the editor? This has been a bugbear for me since cheat prevention was first introduced since being able to link scenarios with an external strategic system is a hobby of mine.

Otherwise- well, I look forward to trying some of these out.


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RE: TOAW IV features - 7/20/2015 9:28:15 AM   
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Does this mean I can or can't get the save back into the editor? This has been a bugbear for me since cheat prevention was first introduced since being able to link scenarios with an external strategic system is a hobby of mine.


I agree that it would be super-cool to be able to import the data back into the game.

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RE: TOAW IV features - 7/20/2015 3:05:49 PM   
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That's.... an impressive list. Well done. I have one clarification based on a discussion I had with Ralph literally years ago;


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• Trusted PBEM. If opted, such games can use PO Assist and be exported to an XML file.


Does this mean I can or can't get the save back into the editor? This has been a bugbear for me since cheat prevention was first introduced since being able to link scenarios with an external strategic system is a hobby of mine.

Otherwise- well, I look forward to trying some of these out.



Yes, Ben. He was specifically addressing your need. If you declare that you trust your PBEM opponent then you get that ability. You better really trust him, though.

Edit: Note that Trusted PBEM will not be available for PBEM++ (against Matrix rules).

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RE: TOAW IV features - 7/20/2015 3:08:16 PM   
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Fantastic :)

A question about naval recce of adjacent land hexes - will there be a dedicated recce function of some sort to "replace" this??


If coastal guns fire at the ships then they (and their hex) are revealed. Otherwise, you can disembark a land unit adjacent - revealing all.

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RE: TOAW IV features - 7/20/2015 3:18:24 PM   
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What I meant was something like the oil field or factory graphics that were added in 3.? that could be placed on any map. While it would be possible for a scenario designer to make their own there would still be the possibility of running up against the new 4k place name limit. I know this sounds like a lot but it's not really. There are a lot of things to be named and once you start adding factories, oil fields, bridges, etc., to the mix that 4k can vanish fast.

So, if we could get a small bump, say to 5k or 6k place names, it could only be good.


You do understand that those bitmaps don't do anything, right? They're just for show. So would you be using them for effecting some sort of house rule?

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RE: TOAW IV features - 7/20/2015 9:35:56 PM   
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Yes, Ben. He was specifically addressing your need. If you declare that you trust your PBEM opponent then you get that ability.


Fantastic. This changes things.

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You better really trust him, though.


It's extremely rare for me to PBEM with someone I've not known for years. Even if they don't cheat, randoms can ruin my experience by dropping off the face of the earth after five turns, or simply being so bad at the game that I might as well not have bothered.


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RE: TOAW IV features - 7/21/2015 5:41:51 PM   
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What I meant was something like the oil field or factory graphics that were added in 3.? that could be placed on any map. While it would be possible for a scenario designer to make their own there would still be the possibility of running up against the new 4k place name limit. I know this sounds like a lot but it's not really. There are a lot of things to be named and once you start adding factories, oil fields, bridges, etc., to the mix that 4k can vanish fast.

So, if we could get a small bump, say to 5k or 6k place names, it could only be good.


You do understand that those bitmaps don't do anything, right? They're just for show. So would you be using them for effecting some sort of house rule?


Yes, that's correct Bob. These bmp graphics are woefully under used in scenario design. There are loads of things that they can be used for. But it will all be by house rule. Bridges would be just one way they could be used. On a really big map like that used for FitE 2 the 4k limit could easily be broken if the map maker put bridges in their actual locations. Not to mention all of the factory, oil field, population centers, etc. And isn't that why we went to 700x700 maps size? So we could make huge scenarios?

Anyway, a bump of 1k or 2k would be nice. Oh, and don't forget we can do things like terrain charts on maps. I did one just for kicks and it took up a lot of place names.

Thanks for the replies.

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RE: TOAW IV features - 7/21/2015 6:08:17 PM   
Curtis Lemay


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ORIGINAL: Lobster


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ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay


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ORIGINAL: Lobster

What I meant was something like the oil field or factory graphics that were added in 3.? that could be placed on any map. While it would be possible for a scenario designer to make their own there would still be the possibility of running up against the new 4k place name limit. I know this sounds like a lot but it's not really. There are a lot of things to be named and once you start adding factories, oil fields, bridges, etc., to the mix that 4k can vanish fast.

So, if we could get a small bump, say to 5k or 6k place names, it could only be good.


You do understand that those bitmaps don't do anything, right? They're just for show. So would you be using them for effecting some sort of house rule?


Yes, that's correct Bob. These bmp graphics are woefully under used in scenario design. There are loads of things that they can be used for. But it will all be by house rule. Bridges would be just one way they could be used. On a really big map like that used for FitE 2 the 4k limit could easily be broken if the map maker put bridges in their actual locations. Not to mention all of the factory, oil field, population centers, etc. And isn't that why we went to 700x700 maps size? So we could make huge scenarios?

Anyway, a bump of 1k or 2k would be nice. Oh, and don't forget we can do things like terrain charts on maps. I did one just for kicks and it took up a lot of place names.

Thanks for the replies.


If that's all you're using it for then why not use something you have unlimited amounts of: Border hexsides. Just put a border around those hexes. Placenames take up file size for everyone (at least they do now - I can anticipate a day when there are no limits and the scenario file is tailored to the amount actually used).

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