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Rangoon - 7/14/2015 8:08:29 PM   
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Any hints on how the allies retake Rangoon?
I have a base at Ramree.
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RE: Rangoon - 7/14/2015 9:05:21 PM   
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The water between Ramree and the mainland is treated as a river...ie..crossable by LCUs.

Marching to Rangoon is the best choice.

Marching avoids all those nasty risks of sunken ships and drowned soldiers.

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RE: Rangoon - 7/14/2015 9:05:27 PM   
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Land at Tavoy.

or Mergui.

You have given us almost 0 information to help you with.

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RE: Rangoon - 7/15/2015 12:32:29 AM   
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The water between Ramree and the mainland is treated as a river...ie..crossable by LCUs.

Marching to Rangoon is the best choice.

Marching avoids all those nasty risks of sunken ships and drowned soldiers.


True but if you're playing PBEM your opponent should be aware of this and will have a reception party waiting for you across the 'river'. Make sure you know whats there and plan accordingly. You don't want the shock attack severely damaging your forces.

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RE: Rangoon - 7/15/2015 8:29:02 AM   
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Marching was the plan all along, I was just getting cold feet

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RE: Rangoon - 7/16/2015 3:48:59 AM   
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Marching was the plan all along, I was just getting cold feet


The nice thing about Ramree is there are three possible hexes you can march to, and it's unlikely your opponent will put forces in all of them. Also you can be "tricksy" and add the element of uncertainty by having some insignificant units marching to two hexes while the main force moves toward the third. The arrows will show movement in all three directions and your opponent can only guess which is the main attack force (have the diversionary units move in "combat" mode while the main force uses "move", and they'll take twice as long to move - which lets you stop them after the main force reaches it's destination)

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RE: Rangoon - 7/16/2015 10:42:54 AM   
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Marching was the plan all along, I was just getting cold feet


The nice thing about Ramree is there are three possible hexes you can march to, and it's unlikely your opponent will put forces in all of them. Also you can be "tricksy" and add the element of uncertainty by having some insignificant units marching to two hexes while the main force moves toward the third. The arrows will show movement in all three directions and your opponent can only guess which is the main attack force (have the diversionary units move in "combat" mode while the main force uses "move", and they'll take twice as long to move - which lets you stop them after the main force reaches it's destination)

Thanks for the tips and links. Very helpful.

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RE: Rangoon - 7/17/2015 11:35:00 PM   
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Marching was the plan all along, I was just getting cold feet


The nice thing about Ramree is there are three possible hexes you can march to, and it's unlikely your opponent will put forces in all of them. Also you can be "tricksy" and add the element of uncertainty by having some insignificant units marching to two hexes while the main force moves toward the third. The arrows will show movement in all three directions and your opponent can only guess which is the main attack force (have the diversionary units move in "combat" mode while the main force uses "move", and they'll take twice as long to move - which lets you stop them after the main force reaches it's destination)


There's only one hex you can 'march' to, and IIRC its dircetly to the 'east'. Hit the hot key that shows you hex crossings and you'll see. I forget the key.

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RE: Rangoon - 7/18/2015 3:32:25 AM   
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There's only one hex you can 'march' to, and IIRC its dircetly to the 'east'. Hit the hot key that shows you hex crossings and you'll see. I forget the key.


It's "F6" and yes...indeed you are correct....I doff my hat to you, sir!


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RE: Rangoon - 8/24/2015 9:53:52 AM   
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Is it possible to send reinforcements to Rangoon by sea? British brigades are en route from Cape Town at the beginning of the scenario. Some Indian brigades come from Karachi and also some AAs are available at Cape town...

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RE: Rangoon - 8/24/2015 12:09:24 PM   
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Is it possible to send reinforcements to Rangoon by sea? British brigades are en route from Cape Town at the beginning of the scenario. Some Indian brigades come from Karachi and also some AAs are available at Cape town...


Yes, as long as the individual ships are not too large to go up river. Don't ask me what the limit is. CAs can fit up river BBs cannot.

You'll need to concentrate the AVG and all available British air to ward off NAV attacks from Bangkok.

It's also a good idea to pump as much supply in as possible to be pulled down the road to China before the opportunity closes down.

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RE: Rangoon - 8/24/2015 12:30:06 PM   
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Limit is 15,000 ton... don't send the Queen Elizabeth!!


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RE: Rangoon - 8/24/2015 2:16:46 PM   
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Is it possible to send reinforcements to Rangoon by sea? British brigades are en route from Cape Town at the beginning of the scenario. Some Indian brigades come from Karachi and also some AAs are available at Cape town...


Yes, as long as the individual ships are not too large to go up river. Don't ask me what the limit is. CAs can fit up river BBs cannot.

You'll need to concentrate the AVG and all available British air to ward off NAV attacks from Bangkok.

It's also a good idea to pump as much supply in as possible to be pulled down the road to China before the opportunity closes down.


- What do you mean by AVG?
- Is a big convoy possible? Detection Levels may be high.
- Do I need to imply my CVL Hermes as an air protection for the convoy?

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RE: Rangoon - 8/24/2015 2:26:44 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: WarInTheMist


quote:

ORIGINAL: HansBolter


quote:

ORIGINAL: WarInTheMist

Is it possible to send reinforcements to Rangoon by sea? British brigades are en route from Cape Town at the beginning of the scenario. Some Indian brigades come from Karachi and also some AAs are available at Cape town...


Yes, as long as the individual ships are not too large to go up river. Don't ask me what the limit is. CAs can fit up river BBs cannot.

You'll need to concentrate the AVG and all available British air to ward off NAV attacks from Bangkok.

It's also a good idea to pump as much supply in as possible to be pulled down the road to China before the opportunity closes down.


- What do you mean by AVG?
- Is a big convoy possible? Detection Levels may be high.
- Do I need to imply my CVL Hermes as an air protection for the convoy?



1. The AVG is 3 fighter squadrons equipped with the H81-A3 fighter (an export version of the Warhawk).

2. You can send a big convoy if you want. The 15k tonnage limit only applies to individual ships. The aggregate tonnage of the task force can exceed 15k.

3. The Hermes can carry only limited numbers of aircraft. At this stage of the war it will only have access to British carrier trained aircraft. It is your judgement call as to whether it is useful to have it in a separate Air Task Force shadowing your supply convoy.

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RE: Rangoon - 8/24/2015 2:44:57 PM   
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To elaborate on Alfred's response:

AVG stands for American Volunteer Group. Their three squadrons and a support base start just up the Burma road from Rangoon.

Only one squadron can transfer to Rangoon freely. The other two are under a restricted HQ and will need to be bought out with Political Points to be able to transfer.

I typically send supply convoys with 20+ xAKLs into Rangoon so as Alfred pointed out the 15k limit is ship size not TF size.

Sending the Hermes there would be a liability. The same LBA that is covering the supply/transport convoys would also have to protect the Hermes.

It has too small a capacity to be able to carry sufficient fighters to cover itself. Also there are no British carrier capable fighters on the map at start in stock scenarios.

All that is available to put aboard the Hermes are torpedo bombers until some Fulmers arrive as reinforcements.

To cover naval missions into Rangoon a large concentration of LBA at Rangoon flying CAP is what is required.

Even then some NAV bombers WILL penetrate your CAP and there will be a toll to pay for getting the supply and/or troops through.

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