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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/23/2015 3:21:10 PM   
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Do you have some provisional specifications for HHQ-9B?
Are more or less correct these specifications:
HQ-9/HHQ-9, IOC 1997, speed 2409 knots, range 3,8-67,5nm,height envelope 25-25000 m, PK=60.
HQ-9A/HHQ-9A, IOC 2001, speed 3438 knots, range 3,8-80 nm, height envelope 25-25000 m, PK=65.
HQ-9B/HHQ-9B, IOC ?, speed knots, 3442 range 3,8-108 nm, 25-25000 m, PK=70.

Sources: my own research in the usual Internet sites and SITREP 49, October 2015.


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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/23/2015 3:40:50 PM   
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French CVN Now Operational Off Syria to be Joined by FREMM Frigates & SF ECUME for 1st Time

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The French Navy (Marine Nationale) nuclear-powered aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle and its Carrier Strike Group reached the area of operation in the Eastern Mediterranean today and is now fully operational. According to the French Navy two FREMMs, the latest addition to the fleet, will join the CSG. These new generation frigates built by DCNS bring in new capabilities such as land attack cruise missiles and special forces support.
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In addition to the FREMM, this is the first operational deployment for the ECUME. ECUME is the new RHIB of the French Navy Special Forces (the famous Commandos Marine). At least one ECUME RHIB will be deployed on board Aquitaine and Provence frigates.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3261

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/23/2015 3:55:10 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Broncepulido

Do you have some provisional specifications for HHQ-9B?
Are more or less correct these specifications:
HQ-9/HHQ-9, IOC 1997, speed 2409 knots, range 3,8-67,5nm,height envelope 25-25000 m, PK=60.
HQ-9A/HHQ-9A, IOC 2001, speed 3438 knots, range 3,8-80 nm, height envelope 25-25000 m, PK=65.
HQ-9B/HHQ-9B, IOC ?, speed knots, 3442 range 3,8-108 nm, 25-25000 m, PK=70.

Sources: my own research in the usual Internet sites and SITREP 49, October 2015.



H(H)Q-9B is still a rumor, no official announcement of such type of missile yet. Also, I don't know if HHQ-9 (for ships) is even really exist, only mentioned HHQ-9A for Type 052C.

For the rest of them, seems legit since there are quite an amount of reports about them. Actual speed and accuracy however, are need more confirmations.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/23/2015 3:56:02 PM   
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--double post--

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/23/2015 4:07:29 PM   
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Well , maybe its time for "Nakhimov" upgrade update
according to state contract №31502943704
http://zakupki.gov.ru/223/purchase/public/purchase/info/documents.html?noticeId=3012141&epz=true in russian

"Nakhimov" B-203A launchers after upgrade should be able to launch 5V55RM (75km range, S-300F), 48N6K (150km range, S-300F Navy version of 48N6) and 48N6DMK (250km , Navy version of "basic" S-400 missile 48N6DM)

3M-48 for "Nakhimov" recive new target designation station 3Ts-48M for ability to guide 48N6DMK

funny thing , all "wet dreamers" are right, project 11442M "Nakhimov" recive S-400 missiles

96 250km missiles , not bad

P.S. in database 48N6DM (D-dalnaya = long range, M-modernized) missile for S-400 have the same range as 48N6 which is wrong ,obviously

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/23/2015 4:57:35 PM   
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Thanks, Dysta!

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/23/2015 5:53:19 PM   
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@Dysta
@Broncepulido
There's a distinct possibility that HQ-9 and HHQ-9 are two different missiles, simply due to the reason that the 052C/D do not possess any fire control radars capable of guiding the HQ-9 as we know it. Due to the emergence of the FD2000 export SAM tha is equipped with a active radar seeker, there's the possibility that the HHQ-9 is equally ARH while the land based HQ-9 is TVM as we know it.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/23/2015 6:13:12 PM   
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/12010438/Britain-calls-in-French-to-hunt-Russian-sub-lurking-off-Scotland.html

amusing ,
especially if know that they hunt for good old project 671RTMK

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/23/2015 6:18:50 PM   
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There're only 2 671RTM boats - Obininsk and Daniil Moskovskiy - in service right now with Russia's Northern Fleet.

Are you sure it's a Victor III?, not Pantera or Nizhny Novgorod?

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/23/2015 6:36:22 PM   
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Pantera literally chained to Northern fleet SSBN , so long walk is not for her until more subs arrive from repair and modernization
Nizhny Novgorod conduct torpedo exercise 29.09 in Barents Sea so it is unlikely

only good option is 671RTMK , especially "Obninsk"


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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/23/2015 7:07:11 PM   
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P-8s and more F-35s for the UK, and many other positives IMO

UK SDSR

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/478933/52309_Cm_9161_NSS_SD_Review_web_only.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwjDo_L2p6fJAhVBdT4KHa96BqgQFghrMAw&usg=AFQjCNH6j7MqQIGJdOUhctgC9WEd7NcuoQ

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/23/2015 7:12:07 PM   
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@Dysta
@Broncepulido
There's a distinct possibility that HQ-9 and HHQ-9 are two different missiles, simply due to the reason that the 052C/D do not possess any fire control radars capable of guiding the HQ-9 as we know it. Due to the emergence of the FD2000 export SAM tha is equipped with a active radar seeker, there's the possibility that the HHQ-9 is equally ARH while the land based HQ-9 is TVM as we know it.

Thanks for your clever and pertinent explanation, Hongjian

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/23/2015 10:05:58 PM   
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From official chinese state media. Not some rumor or leak by the internet brigade of sanctioned leaker.

Railgun R&D is something we know that the PLA is heavily investing in, but what's "Electromagnetic Missile Launching"? It is suppossed to replace VLS, even.

http://en.people.cn/n/2015/1120/c98649-8979645.html

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China makes breakthrough in electromagnetic missile launching technology
(People's Daily Online) November 20, 2015

China makes breakthrough in electromagnetic missile launching technology
The U.S. army conducts a launching test of electromagnetic guns in 2008. (File photo)

A research project on high-powered electromagnetic launching technology, conducted by the #206 research institute of the Second Academy China Aerospace Science and Industry Corp. (CASIC), has made major breakthroughs, according to a report on the CASIC website.

Li Yan, leader of the research team, explained that chemical energy launching technology is still widely used in modern warfare because of its great explosive power. However, it has many weaknesses: the launching process is irreversible and the emergency control is troublesome. Meanwhile, the traditional launching methods have already neared its speed limit. Applying electric energy to launching technology is an inevitable choice.

Focusing on common electromagnetic missile launching technology and electromagnetic launching technology for short-range barrage air defense, the technology developed by the research team has significantly improved the launching performance of the missiles as well as their exit velocity; it has also reduced the weight of the missile carrier mechanism and the operation and maintenance cost of the launcher. The electromagnetic launching technology is an indicator of the military's technical improvement, and will be applied to weapon equipment systems across different fields.

The report also points out that the new technology still has a long way to go before it can be realized as a truly transformative technological achievement.


Reminds of a seemingly abandoned project of the US Navy back in 2008:

http://www.militaryaerospace.com/articles/2008/05/navy-seeks-electromagnetic-launcher-for-missiles-and-other-projectiles.html



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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/23/2015 11:59:24 PM   
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Nice footage of Russian cruise missile strike against ISIS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPu_RL7Ncao

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/24/2015 12:10:52 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hongjian

From official chinese state media. Not some rumor or leak by the internet brigade of sanctioned leaker.

Railgun R&D is something we know that the PLA is heavily investing in, but what's "Electromagnetic Missile Launching"? It is suppossed to replace VLS, even.

Reminds of a seemingly abandoned project of the US Navy back in 2008:

http://www.militaryaerospace.com/articles/2008/05/navy-seeks-electromagnetic-launcher-for-missiles-and-other-projectiles.html


I can't be very certain, but I think it is an upgraded version of cold-launch system for VLS. Giving both extra power and controllability to launch lighter and heavier missiles instead of the gas pushing them. The problem is the missile itself isn't a simple slug for rail gun, launching it will become much complicated.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/24/2015 11:05:35 AM   
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/24/turkey-shoots-down-jet-near-border-with-syria

Turkey shoots down Su-24 that allegedly violated their airspace. The aircraft seems to have crashed in territory held by anti-Assad rebels.
Turkey claims the Sukhoi was downed by F-16s scrambled in response to a breach of their airspace, while Russia claims it never entered Turkish airspace and was shot down from the ground.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/24/2015 11:36:24 AM   
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Seeing how Syrian rebels got hold of one of the dead pilots (and will possibly mutilate its body in the coming days) it looks like it was shot down over Syrian territory.
I know this forum tolerates no political discussion, but I hope that Russia will retaliate for this. Turkey, one of the main the ISIS supporters, should not be allowed to commit these outright crimes while hiding behind the NATO.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/24/2015 11:40:28 AM   
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What I've read so far seems to indicate the Sukhoi was warned repeatedly (10 times according to Turkey), but didn't react, then was shot down and crashed into Syria.

And sure, more escalation, that's what this situation needs. That would play right into ISIS' hands.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/24/2015 12:09:26 PM   
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Yeap, sounds a bit strange. After Paris attacks, Russian and french forces started to collaborate in Syria. Now a NATO country which is allied to the Barbarians of DAESH shut down a Russian aicraft...



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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/24/2015 2:16:16 PM   
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Seems like a Russian Mi-17 preforming SAR was destroyed by a TOW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IschF-ihjS0

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/24/2015 5:28:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Excroat3

Seems like a Russian Mi-17 preforming SAR was destroyed by a TOW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IschF-ihjS0

Just wow...

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/24/2015 11:34:10 PM   
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Remember when people in 80's theorize that nobody can shoot down a helicopter with a RPG-7? I think whatever weapon that can launch to the sky, there's always a chance to hit something.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/24/2015 11:35:24 PM   
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I'm pretty certain that helicopter in the movie was landed.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/25/2015 12:21:38 AM   
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I'm pretty certain that helicopter in the movie was landed.

With it's engine shut down even.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/25/2015 2:18:06 AM   
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Turks have been warning the Russians to stop violating their airspace for months. These continued incursions got so bad that the U.S. Sent F-15s to help the Turks patrol their airspace and discourage the Russians. Once again, Russia ignored Turkish airspace. The pilot was warned 10 times to leave but he kept flying. Exactly how many times are they supposed to allow Russia to overfly their territory before responding? Think Russia would allow an unfriendly neighbor to overly its territory with warplanes dozens of times? No...and neither should Turkey. Smart or not, Turkey had a right to shoot and the Russians should have taken the months worth of warnings

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/25/2015 3:37:42 AM   
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Don't forget Russia also have right to pause or even cease the anti-ISIS bombardment if regional conflict occurs against their jets.

Which means a huge nightmare to European PR and security.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/25/2015 7:28:25 AM   
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Don't forget Russia also have right to pause or even cease the anti-ISIS bombardment if regional conflict occurs against their jets.

Which means a huge nightmare to European PR and security.


I disagree. NATO, and the United States, are more than enough to obliterate the Daesh wherever we find them. The only thing that prevents that is a lack of leadership with the will to do what needs to be done. You let our men and women off their leashes and we will stain the sands of the middle east red with the blood of these mongrels. With a quickness.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/25/2015 9:07:53 AM   
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Turks have been warning the Russians to stop violating their airspace for months. These continued incursions got so bad that the U.S. Sent F-15s to help the Turks patrol their airspace and discourage the Russians. Once again, Russia ignored Turkish airspace. The pilot was warned 10 times to leave but he kept flying. Exactly how many times are they supposed to allow Russia to overfly their territory before responding? Think Russia would allow an unfriendly neighbor to overly its territory with warplanes dozens of times? No...and neither should Turkey. Smart or not, Turkey had a right to shoot and the Russians should have taken the months worth of warnings


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Because that's double standards. Turkish jets have been violating Syrian Airspace for years. And even the NATO confirmed that the Russian jet was shot down over Syrian Airspace after having strolled merely 10-15 seconds inside the small bit of Turk Airspace. It is no secret that Ankara supports the ISIS and was enraged when ISIS tank-trucks loaded with ISIS oil for their sale in Turkey were destroyed by the Russian Airforce. The truth is, the NATO doesnt even want to defeat ISIS, because they are friends of Saudi Arabia and Qatar, serving their dirty little game of toppling Assad and hurting Iranian interests far too good to be dropped.


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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/25/2015 9:58:42 AM   
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Excellent contribution for this reference, but the latter part of your comment is involved with conspiracies. Like it or not, military and conspiracy do mix very well, but that's beyond the tolerance for further discussion.

I perfer to see what the actual military reaction of Russia after this incident, to understand Russian Doctrine better and use it to other CMANO scenarios.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 11/25/2015 10:19:34 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Dysta

Excellent contribution for this reference, but the latter part of your comment is involved with conspiracies. Like it or not, military and conspiracy do mix very well, but that's beyond the tolerance for further discussion.

I perfer to see what the actual military reaction of Russia after this incident, to understand Russian Doctrine better and use it to other CMANO scenarios.


Dysta has a good point. Lets keep the focus on the facts and technology and steer away from the politics. The politics are a mess and people really don't come here for that.

Thanks

Mike

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