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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/13/2018 7:02:08 PM   
Cap Mandrake


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************Sept. 10, 1942(e)***********

Auki gets the number 2 treatment.

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Auki at 115,136, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
TB Sagi

Allied Ships
PT-115
MTB 11, Shell hits 1, and is sunk

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/13/2018 7:03:47 PM   
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Small bombardment of Rennell.

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Night Naval bombardment of Rennell Island at 113,140

Japanese Ships
CL Nagara
DD Hibiki
DD Harusame
DD Oyashio

Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 9
Port hits 7

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/13/2018 7:05:00 PM   
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BIG bombardment or Auki. Ouch.

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Night Naval bombardment of Auki at 115,136

Japanese Ships
BB Hyuga
BB Ise
DD Uranami
DD Isonami

Allied ground losses:
801 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 16 destroyed, 32 disabled
Engineers: 9 destroyed, 15 disabled

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 8
Port hits 17
Port supply hits 2



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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/13/2018 7:06:21 PM   
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I think this convoy had an AP yesterday that we may have sunk.

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Pre-Invasion action off Auki (115,136)
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

14 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
TB Sagi
TB Hayabusa
APD Shimakaze
AMC Hokoku Maru
AV Akitsushima

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/13/2018 7:30:46 PM   
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11th Garrison Unit and 144th Regt coming ashore. Definitely enough to defeat our scratch force. They seem to not have learned landing craft safety, however. Probably inadequately prepped.

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Amphibious Assault at Auki (115,136)

TF 52 troops unloading over beach at Auki, 115,136

Japanese ground losses:
532 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 42 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 19 (0 destroyed, 19 disabled)
Vehicles lost 11 (1 destroyed, 10 disabled)

17 troops of a IJA Inf Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 144th Infantry Rgt /1
Motorized Support lost from landing craft during unload of 16th Army /2
17 troops of a IJA Inf Squad lost overboard during unload of 11th Garrison Unit


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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/13/2018 7:32:34 PM   
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Full court press. Looks like we will lose Auki.

quote:

Morning Air attack on 3rd Marine Raider Battalion, at 115,136 (Auki)

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 24
G4M1 Betty x 33

Allied aircraft
Hurricane XIIb x 5
Kittyhawk IA x 4
P-39D Airacobra x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk IA: 1 destroyed

Allied ground losses:
64 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/13/2018 7:36:05 PM   
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Not the full 6th Marine..just some guys flying in by C-47.

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Morning Air attack on 6th Marine Regiment, at 115,136 (Auki)

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 38 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 48

Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-39D Airacobra: 1 destroyed

Allied ground losses:
89 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/13/2018 7:37:12 PM   
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Not the full tank bn., either....and less now

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Morning Air attack on 1st USMC Tank Battalion, at 115,136 (Auki)

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 36

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 6 (2 destroyed, 4 disabled)

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/13/2018 7:39:07 PM   
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We send in some veteran Cat crews. Tall order with all the Zekes around.

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Auki at 115,136

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 23

Allied aircraft
PBY-5 Catalina x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
PBY-5 Catalina: 1 destroyed

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/13/2018 7:41:40 PM   
Cap Mandrake


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We have some house rule against 17's on naval attack so they go after Tulagi AF before it is repaired.

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Morning Air attack on Tulagi , at 114,137

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 12
B-17F Fortress x 3
B-24D Liberator x 14

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
35 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 45


Damned effective.

quote:

Morning Air attack on Tulagi , at 114,137

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 17 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 9
B-17F Fortress x 3

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 17


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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/13/2018 7:45:12 PM   
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Damn...that is some fine shootin'. Too bad it is not the troopships.

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Stewart Island at 117,137

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 8 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Allied aircraft
PBY-5A Catalina x 5

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
CM Shirakami, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
CM Ishizaki, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk



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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/13/2018 7:49:12 PM   
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"Flock of Kingfishers" never achieved musical success because they weren't allowed crazy hairdo's....but they scared the crap out of the crew of an APD.

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Auki at 115,136

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 10
OS2U-3 Kingfisher x 3

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
APD Shimakaze

Japanese ground losses:
33 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/13/2018 7:50:18 PM   
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Carrier support.

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Afternoon Air attack on 3rd Marine Raider Battalion, at 115,136 (Auki)

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 96
B5N1 Kate x 5
B5N2 Kate x 120

Allied aircraft
Hurricane XIIb x 3
Kittyhawk IA x 3
P-39D Airacobra x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
B5N2 Kate: 3 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane XIIb: 1 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra: 1 destroyed

Allied ground losses:
67 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/13/2018 7:55:35 PM   
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Oz: JJ trying to rescue troops stuck in Oz

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Bundaberg at 96,155

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A5M4 Claude x 7

Allied aircraft
Albacore I x 13

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Albacore I: 8 damaged

Japanese Ships
CVE Unyo
xAK Yoneyama Maru
xAK Ada Maru
xAK Miyadono Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/13/2018 7:56:33 PM   
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1st Tank Regt will NOT be going home.

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Ground combat at 96,156 (near Maryborough)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 47647 troops, 832 guns, 697 vehicles, Assault Value = 1564

Defending force 384 troops, 0 guns, 71 vehicles, Assault Value = 40

Allied adjusted assault: 929

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 929 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
Vehicles lost 95 (95 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
83 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 15 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
14th Australian Brigade
9th Australian/C Division
21st Australian Brigade
754th Tank Battalion
2/2nd Pioneer Battalion
9th Australian Brigade
25th Australian Brigade
16th Australian Brigade
3rd Australian Brigade
9th Australian/A Division
4th Australian Brigade
18th Australian Brigade
2/1st Pioneer Battalion
19th Australian Brigade
44th British/C Division
2/3rd Light AA Regiment
1st RAA Med Arty Regiment

Defending units:
1st Tank Regiment

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/13/2018 7:58:50 PM   
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PI: Trying to shut down Cabantuan AF. JJ putting up a good fight.

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Morning Air attack on Cabanatuan , at 80,76

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 34 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 17
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 18

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 7
B-17F Fortress x 10
B-24D Liberator x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 4 damaged
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 4 damaged
B-17F Fortress: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged

Runway hits 5


Somehow, the P-38's are slower than the heavies.

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Morning Air attack on Cabanatuan , at 80,76

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 21 NM, estimated altitude 26,500 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 11
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 9

Allied aircraft
P-38F Lightning x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 1 destroyed


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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/13/2018 8:23:35 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

"Flock of Kingfishers" never achieved musical success because they weren't allowed crazy hairdo's....but they scared the crap out of the crew of an APD.

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Auki at 115,136

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 10
OS2U-3 Kingfisher x 3

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
APD Shimakaze

Japanese ground losses:
33 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)



How did the Japanese lose ground troops when the ship wasn't even hit by anything? Those Kingfishers must have been really frightening!

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/13/2018 9:20:42 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

11th Garrison Unit and 144th Regt coming ashore. Definitely enough to defeat our scratch force. They seem to not have learned landing craft safety, however. Probably inadequately prepped.

quote:

Amphibious Assault at Auki (115,136)

TF 52 troops unloading over beach at Auki, 115,136

Japanese ground losses:
532 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 42 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 19 (0 destroyed, 19 disabled)
Vehicles lost 11 (1 destroyed, 10 disabled)

17 troops of a IJA Inf Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 144th Infantry Rgt /1
Motorized Support lost from landing craft during unload of 16th Army /2
17 troops of a IJA Inf Squad lost overboard during unload of 11th Garrison Unit


Samurai swords and bottles of Saki are really not the best swimming accessories.

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/13/2018 9:23:05 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: jwolf


quote:

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

"Flock of Kingfishers" never achieved musical success because they weren't allowed crazy hairdo's....but they scared the crap out of the crew of an APD.

quote:

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Auki at 115,136

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 10
OS2U-3 Kingfisher x 3

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
APD Shimakaze

Japanese ground losses:
33 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)



How did the Japanese lose ground troops when the ship wasn't even hit by anything? Those Kingfishers must have been really frightening!

Break Dancing?

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/14/2018 12:58:32 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: jwolf


quote:

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

"Flock of Kingfishers" never achieved musical success because they weren't allowed crazy hairdo's....but they scared the crap out of the crew of an APD.

quote:

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Auki at 115,136

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 10
OS2U-3 Kingfisher x 3

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
APD Shimakaze

Japanese ground losses:
33 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)



How did the Japanese lose ground troops when the ship wasn't even hit by anything? Those Kingfishers must have been really frightening!

I have only seen that happen when the ship is already on fire from another attack and the fruitless attack by the Kingfishers would take the crew away from damage control long enough for the fires to spread and destroy more ship/cargo. It seems possible that a ship with floatation damage might also have a relapse during an air attack, even if not hit.
I am not sure the game models damage and casualties from "near misses". It doesn't with subs under d/c attack.

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/15/2018 1:20:52 AM   
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scared shipless

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/15/2018 2:19:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: zuluhour

scared shipless


Perfect!!

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/15/2018 4:35:20 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy


quote:

ORIGINAL: jwolf


quote:

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

"Flock of Kingfishers" never achieved musical success because they weren't allowed crazy hairdo's....but they scared the crap out of the crew of an APD.

quote:

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Auki at 115,136

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 10
OS2U-3 Kingfisher x 3

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
APD Shimakaze

Japanese ground losses:
33 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)



How did the Japanese lose ground troops when the ship wasn't even hit by anything? Those Kingfishers must have been really frightening!

I have only seen that happen when the ship is already on fire from another attack and the fruitless attack by the Kingfishers would take the crew away from damage control long enough for the fires to spread and destroy more ship/cargo. It seems possible that a ship with floatation damage might also have a relapse during an air attack, even if not hit.
I am not sure the game models damage and casualties from "near misses". It doesn't with subs under d/c attack.


You can for instance cause nominally stabilised ships to sink after a particularly harsh PH attack by just repeatedly fighter sweeping the base. Something like an 'if there are enemy aircraft overhead then roll for additional flooding' or, possibly, 'if flooding is high and enemy aircraft then roll for sinking' sort of thing. Not sure of the exact details but definitely an alarming thing to see the results of.

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/15/2018 1:24:21 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: IJV


quote:

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy


quote:

ORIGINAL: jwolf


quote:

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

"Flock of Kingfishers" never achieved musical success because they weren't allowed crazy hairdo's....but they scared the crap out of the crew of an APD.

quote:

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Auki at 115,136

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 10
OS2U-3 Kingfisher x 3

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
APD Shimakaze

Japanese ground losses:
33 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)



How did the Japanese lose ground troops when the ship wasn't even hit by anything? Those Kingfishers must have been really frightening!

I have only seen that happen when the ship is already on fire from another attack and the fruitless attack by the Kingfishers would take the crew away from damage control long enough for the fires to spread and destroy more ship/cargo. It seems possible that a ship with floatation damage might also have a relapse during an air attack, even if not hit.
I am not sure the game models damage and casualties from "near misses". It doesn't with subs under d/c attack.


You can for instance cause nominally stabilised ships to sink after a particularly harsh PH attack by just repeatedly fighter sweeping the base. Something like an 'if there are enemy aircraft overhead then roll for additional flooding' or, possibly, 'if flooding is high and enemy aircraft then roll for sinking' sort of thing. Not sure of the exact details but definitely an alarming thing to see the results of.

Are we sure this is even happening in the same hex?

In the older version of WITP, i found that when these events happened, (i.e. - ship attacked, not struck, but casualties reported), the ships involved were not carrying any troops or aircraft that were reported as casualties. This seemed to be a "leak" of information from one area where troops died due to (for example) starvation/disease, or whatever, but then this was erroneously reported in the next combat event... since WITP-admiral's edition shares a lot of the same code, i suspect this might be what is happening.

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/15/2018 2:36:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rtrapasso


quote:

ORIGINAL: IJV

You can for instance cause nominally stabilised ships to sink after a particularly harsh PH attack by just repeatedly fighter sweeping the base. Something like an 'if there are enemy aircraft overhead then roll for additional flooding' or, possibly, 'if flooding is high and enemy aircraft then roll for sinking' sort of thing. Not sure of the exact details but definitely an alarming thing to see the results of.

Are we sure this is even happening in the same hex?

In the older version of WITP, i found that when these events happened, (i.e. - ship attacked, not struck, but casualties reported), the ships involved were not carrying any troops or aircraft that were reported as casualties. This seemed to be a "leak" of information from one area where troops died due to (for example) starvation/disease, or whatever, but then this was erroneously reported in the next combat event... since WITP-admiral's edition shares a lot of the same code, i suspect this might be what is happening.


I don't think that is a bad code issue. I have been playing H2H to see what is really happening behind the FOW and have seen the casualties/sinkings with no hits scored many times. In every case, the casualties were plausible for the load being carried, with only some FOW on the numbers reported/actual.

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/15/2018 2:46:17 PM   
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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 6/15/2018 2:52:45 PM   
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You can for instance cause nominally stabilised ships to sink after a particularly harsh PH attack by just repeatedly fighter sweeping the base. Something like an 'if there are enemy aircraft overhead then roll for additional flooding' or, possibly, 'if flooding is high and enemy aircraft then roll for sinking' sort of thing. Not sure of the exact details but definitely an alarming thing to see the results of.

Are we sure this is even happening in the same hex?

In the older version of WITP, i found that when these events happened, (i.e. - ship attacked, not struck, but casualties reported), the ships involved were not carrying any troops or aircraft that were reported as casualties. This seemed to be a "leak" of information from one area where troops died due to (for example) starvation/disease, or whatever, but then this was erroneously reported in the next combat event... since WITP-admiral's edition shares a lot of the same code, i suspect this might be what is happening.


I don't think that is a bad code issue. I have been playing H2H to see what is really happening behind the FOW and have seen the casualties/sinkings with no hits scored many times. In every case, the casualties were plausible for the load being carried, with only some FOW on the numbers reported/actual.



It isn't just transported troop casualties that can happen to a ship that does not get hit by any bombs in a given air raid. Ships that don't get hit can also SINK.\

I have seen this many, many times.

It happens to ships that received hits in prior attacks that same turn.

They are still fighting fires and damage is still accumulating from the prior attack and results take effect in a subsequent attack.

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troop quality?




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It isn't just transported troop casualties that can happen to a ship that does not get hit by any bombs in a given air raid. Ships that don't get hit can also SINK.\

I have seen this many, many times.

It happens to ships that received hits in prior attacks that same turn.

They are still fighting fires and damage is still accumulating from the prior attack and results take effect in a subsequent attack.



Hans, Hans! Just when I had everyone convinced that Phillip K Dick worked in intelligence at SouPac HQ in WWIIe

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Geeez that man had some issues,,,,, I don't recall ever hearing his name
when I was reading space stuff. I'd hire him in a second.

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