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LST vs. IdahoNYer (DBB-C, A AAR) 6 yrs and done! VJ Day!

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Well, I finally went all in and will have a go at a PBEM after a long, long time. LargeSlowTarget
has been kind enough to accept my offer for a game, and it should be a fun ride for the next few
months or years....

Wanted to get this initial post off while its still today, 2nd Sep here in Idaho. Figure starting an Allied AAR on the anniversary
of the Japanese surrender is a good omen:


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RE: Duel of the tankers - LargeSlowTarget vs. IdahoNYer DBB-C (Allied AAR)

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Overview: It always amazes me as I start a WiTP campaign at the state of Allied unpreparedness across the Pacific. And of course, LargeSlowTarget knows this as much as I do. So, on the morning of 8 Dec 1941, where do we stand? First rule of thumb is that until mid 1942 at the earliest, we’re not going to hold a piece of real estate that the Japanese want. Second, preserving the fleet, especially the carrier force is paramount. Understanding these two rules should keep me out of trouble. Understanding and following them aren’t however the same thing. Third rule, hit the Japanese when and where he isn’t strong; keep him off balance.

So the overall intent for the first couple of months is to trip up his expansion by hitting back when and where he is lightly protected (avoiding the KB at all costs), preserve the force, dig in, delay, and build up - and keep the fingers crossed that we have some luck!

First turn preparation for the long haul: Now to attempt to bring some order to the chaos. I try and get most of my “housekeeping” started on the first turn and hopefully, I’ll have assets in place by the end of the month for the long haul plan (literally in the case of shipping). First, pilot training. I won’t overly micro manage this, but at start, the Allies are short both planes and pilots. Good pilots are of course, very few and far between. Having bad pilots in what few aircraft are available is just going to get pilots and planes lost. So, as best as possible, if a pilot has less than 50 experience, he goes back to “advanced flight training” This is a process, and I’ll still have some lack luster pilots flying in Dec 41, but hope to have all committed pilots have an experience of at least 50. I also like to keep deployed squadrons free of replacements - they’ll be in rear area advance training squadrons and not deployed. I’ll “graduate” pilot classes on the first turn of each month which should provide a steady stream of reasonably trained pilots for the force. For the US Army pilots, there are plenty of restricted units for training. No issues here. For the US Navy, 2xPBY squadrons will train torp pilots, 2xKingfisher will train fighters, and 1xKingfisher will train SBD pilots. More float planes will commit to navy training as they come avail. For the Marines, a Texan will train fighters, and a stateside SBD will train SBD pilots initially. Marine squadrons that arrive with only 2 planes will be trainers until planes and a trained reserve pilot pool is established. Aussies will have the Wirraway for trainers, Brits the Audax and NZ the Vincent at start. I’ll pull other airframes as they come avail, but right now, for the Commonweath - All hands on deck! For the Chinese, I have no idea right now…

For the shipping war, using off map capabilities are a great asset. I plan to use AKLs and short endurance haulers to move fuel and supply off map from NY to Capetown, augmenting with short haul tankers as necessary. This will leave the tankers and AKs to move fuel/supply on map. From the states, I try and keep things simple as possible. Seattle supports NOPAC, San Francisco supports CENPAC, and Los Angeles supports SOPAC and SWPAC. Capetown supports Australia and India, while fuel comes from Abadan. Long haulers (10,000+ endurance) will compromise Capetown to Austrailia and shipping out of Los Angeles. Medium Haulers (8,000) will ship the other main routes, and distro from shipping hubs augmented by short haulers. This all assumes I can keep the shipping lanes clear of course! Getting all this sorted out will take most of Dec as well. On the bright side, I don’t need to worry about shipping oil or resources back to the home islands! Supply and Fuel are plentiful to the Allied Cause. Getting it shipped forward to where it is needed, especially in DBB-C, is the challenge - for both sides.

Other first turn must dos are getting engineers to start digging and building. Ports (especially shipping hubs) and airfields need to be expanding and defenses need to be started and/or expanded. If supplies are on hand, engineers go to work - I don’t consider any place “safe” and not needing additional fortification if at all possible. The exception to all this engineer work is of course China.


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Good luck! [:)]

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After seeing Bullwinkle use the short-ranged xAKLs off-map to feed CT, I adopted the practice too. It's a godsend to not have to monitor their fuel state every turn.
I did keep the 6500 nm ranged ones for on-map work - they can go from PH to SOPAC and back without refuelling. They are also small enough to risk for supplying isolated garrisons.
To feed PH I kept some of the 6000 nm 2900 (cargo) tonners. These can be escorted about six hexes away from the ports and then let sail independently, with a small ASW vessel escorting if there is one available.
A convoy of 10 of these guys brings 29000 tons of cargo - a worthwhile amount.

Looking forward to your AAR. Good luck!
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Thanks guys, this should be a fun game. As for the off map shipping - yep - not sure if it was Bullwinkle I read it from, but sure did get it from the forum! Amazing what fantastic knowledge is out there. I learn something all the time, and then slap my head with "I've been playing this game for years, why the heck didn't I know that??!!"
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Allied Strategy in December 1941. We as players have a great advantage over our 1941 counterparts in our knowledge of history and hindsight. What a clear crystal ball we have on turn 1! The challenge is to rapidly cloud the Japanese player’s crystal ball while maintaining a degree of clarity in the Allied side and then, the hard part, be able to act on it.

Political Points will be used for changing out lackluster naval leaders first and foremost - starting with sub commanders, then other leaders. Second priority will be the release of stateside restricted units - especially engineers to Theater. Third will be releasing of restricted units already deployed to redeploy elsewhere in Theater. Fourth, swapping out air and ground leaders.

The submarine campaign will begin immediately and faulty torpedoes or not, will engage Japanese shipping throughout the Empire. Subs will not focus only on invasion sites, but press to Japanese home waters - the goal is to force the IJN to escort every ship transiting all waters. Fleet boats will go deep into Home Waters and Coastal boats will focus on short range targets. Mining will be used to the extent mines are available at shipping choke points. Initially, major Allied sub bases are Pearl, Manila and Soerebaja. Will try and keep Manila operational as long as possible to cut transit time. As tenders and supplies become available, will establish sub bases at Townsville, Darwin, Colombo, Midway and Dutch Harbor in that order.

Unfortunately, there’s not a lot the Allies can do to stop the Tokyo Express in Dec 41. However, all hope is not lost. Maybe we can’t stop it in its tracks just yet, but perhaps we can cause a derailment or two which can throw that tight Japanese timetable into disarray. And time, of course, is the most potent weapon on the Allied side. To accomplish this, I’ve created a Containment Zone (CZ) and a Defend Zone (DZ) across the theater (The area between the CZ line and the DZ line is the CZ). The CZ is where the Allies will attempt to disrupt Japanese operations, but not become decisively engaged. Ultimately, in the CZ, attempt to force the Japanese to fight for ground - use something more than a battalion landing in key areas, defend key areas and delay, delay, delay -by committing some ground, air and naval forces. Force the commitment of more than an SNLF or Army regiment to take select bases in the CZ. As reinforcements arrive, attempt to turn areas of the CZ into the DZ if possible. It’s in the DZ that we want to hold ground. Build up of bases here have priority until they are no longer vulnerable. Bases here should be able to hold against a division sized landing. If threatened, consider commitment of major air and naval forces. A little later I’ll get into some detail of each major command’s initial plan, assets currently available, and assets slated for commitment into that command.

To keep clarity in the Allied crystal ball, the Allies need information on what the Japanese are up to. The most import Japanese activities will become Priority Intelligence Requirements (PIR) - and these, once identified, will drive Allied actions. Although I’d like to know everything LargeSlowTarget is doing and planning, that of course isn’t practical, so I’m going to have about half a dozen PIR that I can focus recon/search/SIGINT on. I’ll review and modify these periodically to see if they are still valid, or need to be replaced. Here’s my starting lineup of PIR:

1. Kido Butai - location, composition and employment. This is a no brainer, as where the KB is, trouble lurks. Keeping tabs on the KB is going to be a priority and what it consists of (splitting off some CVs perhaps) and how is it employed (port/AF attacks, stand-off ranges to targets) can provide opportunities.

2. Mini-KB - location, composition and employment. Same as above….

3. Commitment of Second Echelon Japanese Infantry Divisions (ex. 38ID, 2nd ID, 21st ID). Knowing where these formations are heading or have been committed can tip the Japanese hand. Premature commitment of these forces in the CZ could slow the overall Japanese advance. Identifying two or more divisions heading toward as single objective is trouble - decision to fight or withdraw early on could be key!

4. New airbase capable of operating Zeros then Netties with torpedoes. Establishing these advance bases telegraph where the Japanese thrusts are going. Identified these before fully operational, bombard and disrupt if possible. Once established, evac naval units as feasible, or ensure CAP is avail (not likely in Dec 41). Establishing these bases will gradually collapse the CZ.

5. Commitment of 144th IN REG (South Seas Detachment). The only major army ground unit threatening SOPAC and SWPAC early on. Assume it will go to Rabaul, but heading toward Noumea or Moresby in Dec is dangerous. CZ goal is to be able to defeat a landing of this, or similar sized unit.

6. Commitment of BBs. Although I’ll keep what’s left of the US BB fleet out of harm’s way for a while, commitment of the Japanese BB fleet likely signals the target is pretty important. Not sure about this one…any better ideas?


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Major command initial plans:

NOPAC
Overview: Tertiary theater at best - will keep it quiet as long as possible and will rely on forces in theater as much as possible until reinf become avail later in ‘42. 2xDDs from Seattle inbound immediately. CL Omaha and 2-4 DD from PH (as well as possibly a CA) once the KB is confirmed out of the area. 2xS Boats enroute.
CZ: Establish forces on Amchitka and Adak Is to deny to enemy.
DZ: Hold Dutch Harbor and Kodiak


CENPAC
Overview: Critical theater in order to safeguard Pearl Harbor. 3rd in Priority of overall reinforcement as Japanese moves in Central Pacific not likely past Wake/Baker/Canton. Lex and Big E Carrier groups initially to patrol in CENPAC south of PH until KB intentions become clear; avoid combat with KB, but disrupt enemy efforts in CZ. Expect one of the two CVs to move into SOPAC by end of year.
CZ: Canton Island has priority of Reinf to deny. Midway, Christmas and Johnston Is also to reinforce and deny.
DZ: Hold Hawaiian Islands at all costs. Can expect to move islands currently in CZ to DZ status within four months as reinforcements arrive.

SOPAC
Overview: Initial priority of reinforcements for entire Pacific Theater in Dec. Most dangerous area vulnerable to Japanese attack; few forces currently on hand. CA, 2xCL, DD initially scattered in SOPAC to hit lightly guarded Japanese invasions against in SOPAC area; Cruisers to move to SWPAC as soon as practical. CV Saratoga to depart San Diego shortly; will link up with 1xCV from CENPAC by end of month to deny unless KB committed. 1xMarine Reg for Noumea and Suva to depart San Diego shortly on fast APs. Engineers and Marine Def Battalion as well as other army units as soon as they can ship.
CZ: Noumea and Suva are priority for reinforcement and attempt establish as bases. Pago-Pago and Luganville next. Determine if able to hold these bases.
DZ: Build up and hold New Zealand. Establish and safeguard Auckland as initial major base in area.

SWPAC/Australia
Overview: Priority is to build up defenses on Australian mainland (especially Darwin area)with forces on hand and as reinforcements become available. Reinforce Pt. Moresby as practical depending on Japanese intentions. CL Adelaide to move to Kavieng to disrupt any “quick grabs”. ANZAC CA/CL TF forming to disrupt operations in CZ unless major Japanese commitment in area. 4xDD from US Asian Fleet and the US/NZ CA/CLs in SOPAC. 2xUS CV TF to be potentially avail if Japanese move on Moresby early without KB.
CZ: Rabaul, Port Moresby, Milne Bay and Horn Is all to be garrisoned to prevent easy takeover.
DZ: Australian mainland - move forces from interior to defend coastal bases, with priority on NW and NE bases. Australian I Corps to reinforce as soon as avail.

Philippines
Overview: With invasion imminent, begin falling back to defensive positions of Clark, Bataan and Manila, with Bataan being the final stand. Subs sortie on 8 Dec and will operate out of Manila for as long as practical. 4xsubs to begin transporting supplies to Bataan from outer islands immediately. All other ships less a single AS to sail for safer waters. Half dozen AKLs to attempt to resupply Manila from outer islands. Maintain existing fighters as CAP for as long as possible. B-17s to conduct harassing raids, then withdraw to DEI/Aus.
CZ: Prioritize the above bases for defense.
DZ: N/A

Malaya/DEI
Overview: In Malaya, fall back towards Johore/Singapore and hold for as long as possible. In DEI, use aggressive naval strikes to disrupt Japanese advance for as long as practical. Dutch, US Asian Fleet and British Far Eastern Fleet has some potential and will operate aggressively in the DEI. Will reinforce with some British naval units as they become avail. Other than PoW and Repulse, no heavy units or CVs will be committed. Brit ground forces currently in transit to Singapore to be diverted to Ceylon.
CZ: Singapore, Batavia and Soerebaja to hold as long as possible. Airlift as practical forces for Palembang.
DZ: N/A

Burma/India
Overview: British focus will be on preserving India/Ceylon. Will hold Rangoon for China supply as long as practical. Sqdn of AVG to commit to Rangoon. Singapore bound troops to divert to Ceylon.
CZ: Rangoon and slow withdraw to India border
DZ: Ceylon and mainland India to be bitterly defended.

China
Overview: I hate China. 1xSqdrn of AVG to China.
CZ: Any clear hex; withdraw towards the interior. Attempt to hold Sian, Wenchow and Pakoi. Hold out at Hong Kong as long as possible of course.
DZ: With some luck, a line running from Lanchow, Sian, Changsa, Wuchaw and Nanning.
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RE: 8-9 Dec 1941

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8-9 Dec 1941

Jpn ships sunk:
None

Allied ships sunk:
xAK: 1
xAKL:1

Air loss:
Jpn: 33
Allied: 47

Amph Inv:
Batan Is (PI)
Jolo (PI)
Nauru Is (CENPAC)

Bases lost:
Batan Is (PI)
Nauru Is (CENPAC)

After the debacle of Pearl Harbor on 7 Dec, the Allied High command is pleased to report that no major catastrophes occurred on either 8-9 Dec…all catastrophes will be postponed to a later date.

Prior to LargeSlowTarget sending the turn, he commented on how “sinking CL Boise was top priority”. He wasn’t kidding! CVL Ryujo moved quickly into the Celebes Sea and CL Boise was attacked in two waves by 26xKate torpedo laden sorties - all of which missed! The last act against the Boise was by the major Japanese surface task force (3xCA,CL,12xDD) covering the Jolo Invasion. Here’s the result of that combat (note the second to last line of the combat report):
Japanese Ships
CA Myoko
CA Haguro
CA Nachi
CL Nagara
DD Kuroshio
DD Oyashio
DD Hatsukaze
DD Natsushio
DD Yukikaze
DD Hayashio
DD Amatsukaze
DD Tokitsukaze
DD Yamakaze
DD Kawakaze
DD Umikaze
DD Suzukaze

Allied Ships
CL Boise

Improved night sighting under 78% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions and 78% moonlight: 12,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 11,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 11,000 yards
CA Nachi engages CL Boise at 11,000 yards
Range closes to 7,000 yards
CA Nachi engages CL Boise at 7,000 yards
Range closes to 6,000 yards
CA Haguro engages CL Boise at 6,000 yards
CL Nagara engages CL Boise at 6,000 yards
Range increases to 7,000 yards
CL Boise engages CA Nachi at 7,000 yards
Range increases to 11,000 yards
CA Nachi engages CL Boise at 11,000 yards
CL Boise engages DD Umikaze at 11,000 yards
CL Boise engages DD Kuroshio at 11,000 yards
Japanese Task Force Manages to Escape
Task forces break off...

CL Boise has started off a very, very lucky ship. We’ll see if she can continue that luck!

In CENPAC, the KB has disappeared, hopefully pulling west toward home waters (hey, I can hope, right?). A B-17 claimed a hit on a Jpn sub off Oahu and SS Thresher took a shot at another sub - sub reporter notched up a damage sub to Thresher, so maybe she got lucky. Immediate focus around PH will be to clear out the subs. Big E TF departed PH and headed south toward Palmyra, escaping detection by subs. Lady Lex headed south towards Tarawa after launching 6xSBUs each to Midway and Wake Is. The Wake F4Fs do well against the Nell attacks and 2LT Kliewer is the first Allied Ace with 5 kills (he’s immediately evac’d from Wake by order of President to receive the first Medal of Honor of the Pacific War). Nauru Is invasion looks to be a re-routing of either Tarawa or Makin, and the CA Louisville just SE escorting an AP will investigate....

Quiet in SOPAC and SWPAC, no sightings. CL Adelaide enroute to Kavieng and all avail CA/CL/DDs in area are moving northward to consolidate into a Striking Force. The first group of Banshees at Brisbane are moving to Townsville, then on to Moresby and perhaps Rabaul. The pilots need some training in Naval attack though..

In the Philippines area, the Japanese are making Jolo their main initial objective to cut off any supply attempts to Luzon. The exodus of shipping from the PI has begun, the only casualties were an xAK off Bataan and the Langley hit by one of Ryujo’s Kates (pretty much all torps should be expended now). His early move on Jolo beat my attempt to mine it, but at least he did not get the chance to attack the on the turn of invasion - so I have some time here before shipping is completely shut down in the southern PI area. Jpn fighter sweeps effectively clear P-40s from the skies above Manila without much payback. Troops begin moving back toward Batann, Clark and Manila.

In the DEI, Force Z arrived at Batavia w/o incident. She’ll immediately set sail on 10 Dec with additional Brit and Dutch CL/DD forces and attempt to strike toward Jolo. US Asian Fleet combat forces are moving toward Balikappan, and should also be able to sortie against Jolo shortly. An Eastern Striking force (2xCL,5xDD) under Doorman will also sortie on 10 Dec headed toward the eastern Celebes to disrupt expected Japanese landings. Singkawang is mined without incident. Lastly, shipping is starting to be evac’d out of Java.

In Malaya, Kota Bharu holds off the first Japanese assaults, but that won’t last. Forces begin falling back toward Singapore. Shipping is evac’d from Singapore harbor and surprisingly, no Jpn air attacks were launched against Singapore …yet. No sightings of the Jpn fast BB TF or additional invasions either. Its quiet, too quiet off Malaya right now.

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Suscribed! Good luck! Can u explain the xAKLs off-map use? Why are so important off-map? I believed they excel in front bases with lowlevel ports...
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Suscribed! Good luck! Can u explain the xAKLs off-map use? Why are so important off-map? I believed they excel in front bases with lowlevel ports...
If I may respond:
At game start there is little supply in the islands to move to where it is needed, and little enough in Australia or NZ or India. So long-distance trips are necessary to haul from the US or Cape Town and the xAKLs of 4000 nm range cannot make the trip without refuelling.
But wait! There is no fuel to be had at most forward bases! If you do not want to be burdened with directing small TFs to intermediate fuelling points like PH and Canton Island, and then giving new orders to destination, then new orders to a return refuel point, send them off-map until you get some fuel and supply moved forward by larger ships. Then you can start sending some of the 4000 nm ranged ships back on-map to distribute to the forward bases.
I keep most of the 1700 ton capacity/6500 nm range xAKLs on-map to operate PH-SOPAC, Prince Rupert-NORPAC, and Columbo(or Bombay)- Burma.
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Why are so important off-map? I believed they excel in front bases with lowlevel ports...

BBfanboy beat me to it with his response, but here's my take.

As BB said, you'll need some short haulers - some of which can actually do some intermediate routes - operating on map. But you'll also need to bring fuel to Capetown from NY or London - you can use your short range xAKLs off map for this, as long as you can get them to Capetown or NY. Ships off map don't burn fuel and can go at fast speed without worry about maint breakdowns. This allow you to focus your limited tanker fleet on map.
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ORIGINAL: IdahoNYer
Why are so important off-map? I believed they excel in front bases with lowlevel ports...

BBfanboy beat me to it with his response, but here's my take.

As BB said, you'll need some short haulers - some of which can actually do some intermediate routes - operating on map. But you'll also need to bring fuel to Capetown from NY or London - you can use your short range xAKLs off map for this, as long as you can get them to Capetown or NY. Ships off map don't burn fuel and can go at fast speed without worry about maint breakdowns. This allow you to focus your limited tanker fleet on map.

I keep 90% of my tankers off-map in 1942. They're too efficient at hauling EC to CT. I bring fuel on-map in xAKs. I have a lot more of those and end up getting over 2000 by the end. Tankers are precious and escorts are terrible early.
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For Uk/NY to C.T. routes I use TKs and fast AKs....

AKs of 2900: On map, at Aukland/P.H. and such.

AKs of 6400-5200: From WC or C.T. to Australia, P.H.

xAKLs: Frontline duty.

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10-11 Dec 1941

Jpn ships sunk:
CM:1
SC:1
xAK:1
AG:1

Allied ships sunk:
DD:1
AV:1 (Langley)
CM:1
TK:1
xAP:2 (small)
xAK: 2
xAKL:1

Air loss:
Jpn: 17
Allied: 13

Subwar:
Jpn: 1xAttack: no hits
Allies: 11xAttack: 2xships hit and both sunk (xAK, AG)

Amph Inv:
Aparri (PI)
Balabac (PI)
Guam (CENPAC)
Kudat (DEI)
Laoag (PI) - Airborne assault

Bases lost:
Jolo (PI)
Laoag (PI)
Kota Bharu (Malaya)
Pengpu (China)

With the exception of the “Battle for the Exodus”, the flight of shipping from the PI, a fairly quiet two days. Focus for the Allies remains redeploying assets, preparing bases for either imminent attack or long term use, and striking back with naval/air assets when and where possible. Subs are starting to reach patrol areas and beginning attacks in patrol zones. Despite the synch bug rearing its ugly head, here’s the wrap up:

West Coast’s first reinforcement effort departed LA for the SOPAC, 3xAPs with two Marine Regiments bound for Noumea and Suva, with CV Saratoga TF providing escort against subs and perhaps the two Jpn AMCs lurking in the south Pacific. The first true resupply/reinforcement convoy is forming up in LA, and should depart on the 12th bound for Auckland. B-17s and PBYs begin flying from Frisco to PH.

In NOPAC, the engineer battalion on Kodiak set sail for Adak, and escorts of 1xCL (Detroit) 2xDD enroute from PH along with 2xDD from Seattle. An aviation engineer battalion is being loaded at Annette Is, enroute to Umnak Is. So far, its been quiet; PBYs out of Dutch Harbor have not seen any sign of the Japanese.

In CENPAC, two Jpn TFs are sighted approaching Wake Is from the south by a SB2U which attacks, claiming a hit on a CL. Other than a few subs in the area, Wake is left to its own devices at this point, no CVs coming to the rescue. Big E TF is heading towards Canton Is to provide cover for the Marine Def Bn TF heading out of PH on the 12th. Lexington TF is moving toward Ocean/Naru Is area to strike the Amph TF reported by CA Louisville (which failed to press its attack, and only damaged a DD).

Still quiet in SOPAC and SWPAC. CL Adelaide has reached Kavieng, and 2xCL 1XDD have reached Noumea, bound for Tulagi where they will rendezvous with 2xUS CAs, then head toward Rabaul. Moving to Cairns are an Aus CA and DD which will join 4xUS DDs from the Asian Fleet. With the KB unseen, my guess is that its enroute to Truk and we’ll see a major thrust towards Rabaul and the Solomons - which will make this CA Striking force assembling very ineffective. But if he moves south without the KB in support, we might be able to derail the Express for a bit.

In the Philippines area, the CVL Ryujo and CA TF covering Jolo move to sink fleeing ships from the PI. The CA TF(s) patrol the Macassar Strait to good effect, sinking a number of ships and blocking the passage. The Ryujo, clearly without any torps remaining for its Kates, moves back toward Babeldaob, hitting shipping moving south from the eastern side of Mindanao. Although a few ships are sunk or damaged, many more seem to be slipping through the net. Laoag is the focus on Luzon for heavy Zero flights covering the airborne drop. The landings on Aparri goes in without opposition. On the positive side, no attacks on troops falling back to defensive positions or attacks on airfields. Also, the first two subs transporting supply dock at Bataan, and the first two interisland resupply xAKLs dock at Lucena offloading supplies.

In the China theater, Japanese forces invest Hong Kong which is under heavy aerial bombardment, damaging three xAKs/xAKLs in the port. All other shipping has departed to run the gauntlet to safer havens. 2/3 of the MTBs attempt to make the PI, the remainder patrol waters off Hong Kong looking for nearby prey. Chinese land forces continue to attempt to redeploy to better defensive ground and a squadron of the Flying Tigers arrives in Changsa.

In Malaya, The withdraw towards positions at the southern end of the peninsula continues without major interference. Japanese air focused in the north, at Georgeotown and Alor Star, and supporting their successful attack at Kota Bharu. The 15th Indian Bde was moving south a bit too slow, and looks like it may be trapped up in Alor Star, the rest of the forces having moved south. While the majority of Commonwealth Forces look to have successfully redeployed, three large Jpn TFs have been sighted in the South China Sea heading due west - assume for now they are heading for Kuantan, but that’s a guess - Singapore air hasn’t been hit, let alone reduced enough to try Mersing, right?

In the DEI, things should heat up quickly. As shipping from the PI moves south, English, American and Dutch warships head north to locate and strike back at the enemy. In the Makassar Straits, the US CA TF (CA, 2xCL, 5xDD) under Adm Shalfroth and Force Z (BB, BC, 3xCL, 8xDD) under Adm Palliser head north toward Jolo. Shalfroth to sink shipping, and Palliser to bombard the airfield. This is a risk, and I’m counting on getting through before Jolo can be fully functional. East of Celebes, Doorman’s TF (2xCL, 5xDD) heads to Manado which has a large Amph TF approaching. On Borneo’s northwest side, 2xDD from the PI currently just arriving at Brunei will interdict the Amph TF approaching Miri as they attempt to make for Java. These two DDs were to be joined by the 2xDD from Hong Kong, but the Brit DDs ran into the CL Sendai and DDs in the South China Sea - losing one DD and heavily damaging another for no reported gain. Lastly, 3xPTs from Manila currently at Puerto Princessa will hit the Japanese at Kudat enroute to Jesselton and hopefully then on to Kuching and Java. Airpower to support these multiple operations will be minimal, with B-17s from Cagayan hitting Jolo and Buffaloes out of Balikpapan providing cover for Force Z while in range. Lots of risk here for this aggressive operation, but with some luck we’ll have some success and keep the enemy off balance - and perhaps a bit cautious in further operations.






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thx for the 'During-Action-Report' and your efforts! Really an excellent read (... as usual, one might add). :-)


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"three large Jpn TFs have been sighted in the South China Sea heading due west - assume for now they are heading for Kuantan, but that’s a guess - Singapore air hasn’t been hit, let alone reduced enough to try Mersing, right? "

If he has carrier support, then he can take care of Singapore's TP bombers regardless. Even a small CAP of zeroes can kill a lot of TP bombers, and even if you get the transports, with the Japanese early bonus there is a good chance most troops would had already landed
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"three large Jpn TFs have been sighted in the South China Sea heading due west - assume for now they are heading for Kuantan, but that’s a guess - Singapore air hasn’t been hit, let alone reduced enough to try Mersing, right? " If he has carrier support, then he can take care of Singapore's TP bombers regardless. Even a small CAP of zeroes can kill a lot of TP bombers, and even if you get the transports, with the Japanese early bonus there is a good chance most troops would had already landed

Fully agree about the carrier air support - but would the Zuiho and Hosho be enough? KB can't possibly be in the South China Sea yet, right(started NE of Midway on 8 Dec)? And Ryujo is confirmed in the Celebes Sea, heading east. Have no idea where Taiyo is, but don't think it has sailed around the PI without the Ryujo.
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thx for the 'During-Action-Report' and your efforts! Really an excellent read (... as usual, one might add).
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Thanks Wuffer!
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Hosho can carry 20 planes, Zuiho 30. both start the war with Claudes, but Japan has 66 Zeros in the pool... Thus it is possible to resize and convert.
50 zeros is possible and they kill many Swordfish

Even if he keeps bombers to work as ASW... You can still look at potentially: 21 zeros in Zuiho and 14 in Hosho.

This of course can be even worst if he gets Singkawang before Mersing

did you count the size of the striking force attacking Pearl Harbor? are you sure all 6 fleet carriers are with KB?
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This of course can be even worst if he gets Singkawang before Mersing did you count the size of the striking force attacking Pearl Harbor? are you sure all 6 fleet carriers are with KB?

I figure Singkawang first - just like you said to get that airfield operational. I've mined it, but that's about all I can do right now until I can get some surface elements back from their sortie in the Celebes Sea.

As far as the composition of the KB - we did a 8 Dec start, so I know they started out together! Since 8 Dec, haven't got a glimpse.
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