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2 larger units tied down by 1 small unit. - 8/24/2014 11:17:36 PM   
jack54


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This is making me crazy... 2 US units (size 3 and 4) are in hex 3,4 with a size 1 Italian unit SW in hex 2,4. I have the size 3 US unit (US 1st) attack SW.

I would like to move the size 4 (US 2nd) S or SE but I am only allowed to Attack SW. The only other options are to stand pat or withdraw to the highlighted hexes in right image.

Is this WAD? I think a larger unit should be able to attack into a smaller unit ZOC.





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RE: 2 larger units tied down by 1 small unit. - 8/24/2014 11:34:20 PM   
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Can't you just plot a move to these vacant hexes if you engage the neighbour? I haven't tested it myself but in my PBEM I occasionally see units slip by my zoc's of engaged units even when the attack is unsuccessful. I asked this question previously but it was never answered.

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RE: 2 larger units tied down by 1 small unit. - 8/24/2014 11:47:54 PM   
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sometimes units lose their ZOC - indicated by a red triangle in the top left corner IIRC - but you don't see that for enemy units of course.

As for the OP - ZOC's will pin you, AFAIK it's a feature not a bug, and using and avoiding them is a skill to be developed :)

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RE: 2 larger units tied down by 1 small unit. - 8/25/2014 12:01:05 AM   
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Yeah I'm afraid it's a feature...
I can't plot a move... once the US 2nd is selected the options are attack the It136 or withdraw.

I don't mind being pinned by ZOC but this is a large force being pinned by a small force that is being attacked by another larger force; seems to me the US 2 should be able to attack the ZOC hex south.

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RE: 2 larger units tied down by 1 small unit. - 8/25/2014 2:04:32 AM   
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There is something weird that happens occasionally with zoc's then. As I said the enemy sometimes slipped by my zoc's. But it only happens when they were engaged in battle. They were not lacking a zoc. They won the battle and some enemy units slipped by. Very low disruption and no red triangle on my units. I was assuming that an engaged unit somehow lost its zoc temporarily. If I see it again I will post the files.

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RE: 2 larger units tied down by 1 small unit. - 8/25/2014 3:58:08 AM   
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see this file for an example of what I am talking about

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3682467&mpage=1&key=�

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RE: 2 larger units tied down by 1 small unit. - 8/25/2014 6:30:12 AM   
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Jack, "but this is a large force being pinned by a small force that is being attacked by another larger force; seems to me the US 2 should be able to attack the ZOC hex south"

I'll look at this, thanks.



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RE: 2 larger units tied down by 1 small unit. - 8/28/2014 11:46:24 PM   
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Thanks Frank....sorry I was on the road for a few days and unable to respond...I have saves if you'd like them.

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RE: 2 larger units tied down by 1 small unit. - 8/29/2014 7:12:27 AM   
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Nope, that's okay I know the problem. The change I've made is to remove the ability to have a ZoC for size 1 units and units that are functionally at size 1. I'll see how that goes as I test the new version.

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RE: 2 larger units tied down by 1 small unit. - 8/29/2014 4:49:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FrankHunter

Nope, that's okay I know the problem. The change I've made is to remove the ability to have a ZoC for size 1 units and units that are functionally at size 1. I'll see how that goes as I test the new version.




Can you see a size 1 unit pinning another small unit or is the hex size too large for a size 1 unit to have a ZOC?

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RE: 2 larger units tied down by 1 small unit. - 11/9/2014 11:48:55 PM   
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Would a possible solution be to only allow a hex to exert a ZOC that would stop units totaling up to twice the size of the unit(s) exerting the ZOC?

I.e., a single size one unit could stop a size two unit or two size one units, but would not stop a size three unit. And two size one units would stop up to a size four unit, etc.

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