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USAF Next Generation Bomber Fly-off - 7/14/2014 10:28:14 AM   
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The US Air Force has sent the requirements for the Next Generation Bomber to the two competing teams (Boeing/Lockheed Martin against Northrop Grumman) in the Next Generation Bomber competition, which aims to produce a low-observable stealth aircraft to replace the aging B-52 Stratofortress fleet, as well as complement the B-1B/R Lancer, as well as eventually replace the B-2 Spirit fleet over time. The new bomber, which will work in conjunction with US and Allied Air assets (both manned and unmanned), as a part of the Pentagon's Air-Sea or Air-Ground battle strategy. The NGB is designed to be an interim aircraft until the 2037 bomber arrives, which will supplement the NGB, in of course, 2037.

Source: http://www.defensenews.com/article/2014 ... ionstories

http://www.militarytimes.com/article/20 ... ade-public

http://www.defenseone.com/threats/2014/ ... eet/86830/


So, what do you think ? I tend to think that is will be good for the Air Force in the long run, as it will replace the aging B-52 (one of which was lost to a fatal accident off of Guam in 2008 will all 6 crew, and one of which was recently flown by a Third Generation pilot), and will also save the taxpayer from the expensive cost of maintaining the B-52s over time.

NGB Concepts:

Northrop Grumman's Concept


Boeing Concept
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RE: USAF Next Generation Bomber Fly-off - 7/14/2014 11:25:25 AM   
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It'll be so "gold-plated" that it can never take off....

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RE: USAF Next Generation Bomber Fly-off - 7/14/2014 2:08:44 PM   
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Exactly. We got 20 B-2s and under 200 F-22s in an era when there were defense dollars much more available than today. Can you imagine what these will cost and how many we'll wind up with?

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It'll be so "gold-plated" that it can never take off....


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RE: USAF Next Generation Bomber Fly-off - 7/14/2014 2:42:28 PM   
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https://medium.com/war-is-boring/congress-thinks-the-air-force-already-has-a-secret-stealth-bomber-f929aa759ed



Air Force Releases Long-Range Strike Bomber Request For Proposals


Posted: Jul. 10, 2014

The Air Force announced on July 10 that it has released a highly anticipated request for proposals for the Long-Range Strike Bomber. The service issued the RFP July 9, officially moving the program into the competitive development phase.

"The RFP will lead to a competitive selection of the bomber's developer in the spring 2015 time frame," Air Force Secretary Deborah Lee James said in the July 10 statement. "The LRS-B is a top modernization priority for the Air Force. It will be an adaptable and highly capable system based upon mature technology. We look forward to industry's best efforts in supporting this critical national security capability." The Air Force wants to buy between 80 and 100 bombers that are to be capable of penetrating anti-access/area denial environments. The program's cost is currently estimated at $55 billion. Whether the source-selection process will be truly competitive was called into question by an analyst at the congressional research service last week. The service's release of an RFP appears to contradict that concern, but it remains to be seen until bids are submitted whether more than one team will compete for the program. A Boeing-Lockheed Martin team has already been formed to bid, and B-2 prime contractor Northrop Grumman is expected to as well. In a July 9 statement to Inside the Air Force, Northrop spokesman Tim Paynter said the company is positioned well to support the program.

"Northrop Grumman's design, production and sustainment of the B-2 Spirit stealth bomber, the bomber most recently produced for the U.S. Air Force, positions it well for the LRS-B program," Paynter said. "We are very interested in working with the Air Force to provide this critical capability for the nation." Boeing is the prime contractor for the B-52 and B-1 bombers. The Air Force did not make the RFP public and spokesman Ed Gulick said in a July 10 email that the service will not reveal the due date for proposals and indicated that the service will continue to limit the information it releases on the program. "This puts us officially in the competitive phase and greatly limits what we can say," Gulick said.

In a July 2 analysis, CRS military aviation specialist Jeremiah Gertler notes that the Air Force's latest spending plan for LRS-B research and development, which shows a jump from $259 million in fiscal year 2013 to $3.45 billion in FY-19, does not reflect the normal development curve of an early development program. Instead, he wrote, it more resembles a procurement curve for a program that is in the late stages of development. "Aviation analysts and industry officials confirm CRS's assessment that this funding stream resembles a production program more than a typical development profile," Gertler writes. "This may indicate that significant LRS-B development has already been completed, presumably in classified budgets. Such prior development would also help explain how the Air Force intends to get the system from a request for proposals to initial operational capability in about 10 years, when equally or less-complicated systems like the F-22 and F-35 have taken more than 20 [years]." Gertler said that if there has indeed been considerable prior development on the LRS-B, as past CRS reports and Air Force budget documents suggest, the Air Force will have difficulty constructing a truly competitive RFP. He said whichever competitor has performed the bulk of preliminary LRS-B development work will likely have the advantage when competing for the production contract.

While providing little detail about the nature of the early development work, the service has said that it is aimed at narrowing design requirements in order to avoid future program cost growth that comes with adding new capabilities late in development. According to a 2009 CRS report, which Gertler helped author, the Air Force funded the development of a next-generation long-range strike capability from FY-05 to FY-09. The government zeroed the line item in FY-10, the report states. In the service's FY-12 budget request, the development effort was restarted under the Long-Range Strike Bomber program, which replaced the earlier Next-Generation Bomber program. -- James Drew and Courtney Albon

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RE: USAF Next Generation Bomber Fly-off - 7/14/2014 4:17:42 PM   
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Didn't the B-2 wind up costing $1 Billion apiece? Now they want to buy the future generation at half the price ($55B / 100 planes)?

What's the over/under date when they determine it will actually cost a few dollars more?

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RE: USAF Next Generation Bomber Fly-off - 7/14/2014 6:29:19 PM   
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RE: USAF Next Generation Bomber Fly-off - 7/14/2014 7:40:27 PM   
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Remember when the JSF was going to be a low-cost aircraft?

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ORIGINAL: Colonel Mustard

Didn't the B-2 wind up costing $1 Billion apiece? Now they want to buy the future generation at half the price ($55B / 100 planes)?

What's the over/under date when they determine it will actually cost a few dollars more?


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RE: USAF Next Generation Bomber Fly-off - 7/14/2014 9:13:31 PM   
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In this case as in the B-2's case they'll be worth every penny. Same with ICBM replacements and SSBN etc.

No expense is great enough for the strategic stuff IMHO.

Well within reason

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RE: USAF Next Generation Bomber Fly-off - 7/15/2014 12:20:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mikmyk

In this case as in the B-2's case they'll be worth every penny. Same with ICBM replacements and SSBN etc.

No expense is great enough for the strategic stuff IMHO.

Well within reason

I'm with you in theory, but that assumes all works as advertised. See Joint Strike Fighter comment, above.

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RE: USAF Next Generation Bomber Fly-off - 7/15/2014 10:10:35 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mikmyk

In this case as in the B-2's case they'll be worth every penny. Same with ICBM replacements and SSBN etc.

No expense is great enough for the strategic stuff IMHO.

Well within reason



Completely agreed. And I think we'll see the funds to produce them, when needed. There are things that simply will not be allowed to slide.

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RE: USAF Next Generation Bomber Fly-off - 7/16/2014 1:23:08 AM   
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The Next Generation Bomber story does have an exotic possibility.

In several news stories, AF have hinted that the bomber may have supersonic capability. The PPT referenced in the link is part of a USAF program to produce a tail-less supersonic aircraft. The objective design is a bomber with the following capabilities:

2,000nm Radius
March 2.2 Cruise(!!!)
20,000 lb payload

This could explain why the bomber program is a bit pricier than a straight copy of a X-47B would suggest.

Scroll about halfway down this page for the post: Secret Projects Thread

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RE: USAF Next Generation Bomber Fly-off - 7/17/2014 5:48:32 AM   
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I think the next Generation Bombers are already flying.

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RE: USAF Next Generation Bomber Fly-off - 7/17/2014 10:55:15 AM   
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I think you may be right. Or at least their prototypes are.

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RE: USAF Next Generation Bomber Fly-off - 7/17/2014 11:10:00 AM   
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So, current generation bomber already.

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