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Warhammer 40k DW:U Mod - 6/20/2014 1:12:14 AM   
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"Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim dark future there is only war."


TL;DR: See the bottom of the post for the download link. Download the latest version.

I would like to introduce the Distant Worlds: Warhammer 40k mod. It is set in the time where the Great Crusade has just begun. The solar system has been united by the forces of the Imperium of Man but beyond the cradle of our home system lie countless lost human colonies and fearsome xenos that must be brought to bear before mankind can stake its claim as the dominant force in the Milky Way. This mod has a heavy emphasis on recreating the general theme of constant war on an epic scale in a universe filled with ultraviolence so many of the mods features deviate from finance and logistical challenges in favor of military ones. Further, I am trying to be faithful to the lore, so if stuff seems imbalanced its probably for that reason.

I have put dozens of hours into playtesting and that has yielded some very interesting results that in numerous cases lead to a rework of things.

If you wanted a real great crusade experience I would recommend not starting pre-warp, as they did have warp drives in that period. However, I personally enjoy playing prewarp so much that I took that mode into consideration as well.

If you want to play with the "Return of the Shakturi" overlapped by "The Heresy", just check the box for it when starting a new game. The entire ROTS story has been redone to include Heresy factions, announcements and events. Enjoy!



Please don't hesitate to make suggestions or to submit bug reports. I would especially encourage WH40k fans to weigh in and educate me on whatever lore I may have gotten wrong or missed.

Aside from taking place in an entirely different fictional universe here are some of the other major changes...

-Resources: Despite the fictional setting I strove to keep resources as realistic as possible. I also employed a more general approach to resources; instead of adding specific elements I added things categorically. See below for a listing of resources.

-Weaponry: Railguns and missiles do bombard damage, as I consider missiles to be at least tactical nuclear weapons and added a uranium requirement to their construction (and railguns for obvious reasons). Bombardment weapons have received a truly massive buff, as typically even small scale global nuclear warfare can make a planet uninhabitable and these things probably make Tsar Bombs look like firecrackers. Railguns and missiles have also received a range buff, in accordance with the laws of physics. Most weapons have been renamed to better fit the lore. The roles of missiles and torpedoes have been switched to keep with the lore. New weapons have been added for niche roles and racial techs as well.

-Research: Colonization tech was condensed and made significantly cheaper with the exception of volcanic worlds.I also made warp bubble tech very, very cheap but increased the cost of the next one to make up for it. In addition to all this I also snatched up the good techs from the ancient universe mod (planet destroyers!) and added that in as well. Almost all techs have been renamed to better fit the lore. New additions were made to the tech tree to accommodate more facilities, wonders, components and improvements.

-Travel and Logistics: The fuel storage capacity of fuel cells has been somewhat reduced and the efficiency of engines has been massively buffed. By changing this it seems like the AI is much more difficult and efficient, generally not congregating around gas stations and even then, refueling rapidly and not having to go back as much. Warp drive speed was left untouched. I have also doubled cargo capacity to try and reduce the need for so many freighters and increased cargo throughput to reduce time spent a the pump. Finally, there is only one fuel type to keep things simpler for both the AI and the player. To make up for this engines require substantial investments of either uranium or hydrogen when being built.

-Ship size: Ship size received a massive buff.

-Ship maintenance: Ship maintenance reductions via racial bonuses has mostly been buffed. Command center techs and in one case a unique command center can also provide greater reductions than vanillas.



-Troop maintenance: MASSIVE REDUCTION. Troops were ENTIRELY too expensive...in vanilla I was easily spending as much if not more on troops than I was keeping my super high tech fleet of spaceships maintained. Besides, this is WH: epic land battles are a must.



-Building maintenance: Another massive reduction. My rationale behind this is that although the state built these things, they would inevitably be utilized by the private sector as well, and thus generate enough revenue to cover, at least, their maintenance costs (which were excessive anyway).

-Races: Races have been replaced by the races which were encountered during the great crusade. This includes many human empires which were separated from Terra during the age of strife. Races are being divided into two categories: major and minor, which are based on WH40k lore. Major races have obvious bonuses that seemingly give them a distinct edge but don't be fooled; certain legacy technologies in the possession of minor races make them more powerful than their racial stats would let on. The racial roster has been filled out and races are continually being tweaked for balance and flavor.



-Governments: Governments have been completely overhauled and are described in the post below. I have based my models off political science principles and have been inspired by this book: http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/25798538?uid=3739864&uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21104295645963



-Components: Components use the standardized resources in similar proportions. In addition, the size of colonization modules was decreased and their cost was reduced to encourage expansion. Many new components have been added and some existing ones were better balanced.



-Music: A custom soundtrack is provided which contains numerous pieces perfectly suited to WH:40k.

-Art: Thanks to the efforts of numerous contributors we have built up a nice selection of art. All major areas are covered and only ship and troop art for the minor races remains.

-Wonders and Facilities: I have added some new wonders and facilities. The wonders are just some low tech ones that are the vanguard of what will become a larger foray into adding more wonders and balancing the ones we have. The facilities are either for specific races or low tech/high tech versions of existing facilities.

-Plagues: New plagues were added and vanilla ones removed to fit with the lore. This includes new artwork by Phocian.

-Gametext: I am gradually changing gametext to reflect the WH40k universe. There is very little vanilla text left that has not been changed unless I determined it was so vague that changes were not necessary.

-Credits:
-The whole WH40k universe and lore is property of Games Workshop and all credit goes to them.
-All artwork is attributed to its authors and I take no credit for any of the art in this.
-All credit for this awesome game goes to Matrix.
-Credit for almost the entire soundtrack goes to Phocian.
-Credit for the artwork goes to Vargius, theniceshakturi and Phocian.
-Credit for star/system names goes to Osito for his fantastic work.
-Credit for some of my ideas also goes to the forum members, namely uberknight and childservices.
-Credit for helping to make this mod better goes to all those who provide input, feedback and bug reports.

-Copyright notice: There is no copyright, do what you want with this mod and all of its parts not attributed to another author, just give me credit and shoot me a link so I can post it to this thread (if you public it).

-TO DO:
-balance races better
-more custom ship and troop artwork
-better balanced wonders/racial wonders
-premade scenario which takes place in Osito's realistic galaxy map and follows the great crusades/heresy storyline
-empire policies and dialog for trader and tech races
-custom predefined characters for major races and notable minor races
-galactopedia entries for new additions
-optimized ship designs and research pathing

-The Mod:

v.9: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56152025/WH40k%20mod%20v.9.zip

v.8.2: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56152025/WH40k%20mod%20v.8.2.zip

v.8.1: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56152025/WH40k%20mod%20v.8.1.zip

v.8: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56152025/WH40k%20mod%20v.8.zip

v.7.9: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56152025/WH40k%20mod%20v.7.9.zip

v.6: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56152025/WH40k%20mod%20v.6.zip

v.5: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56152025/WH40k%20mod%20v.5.zip
note: this version will contain the last playable version of the scenario until the mod is complete

v.4.3: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56152025/WH40k%20mod%20v.4.3.rar
note: this version contains an alpha of The Great Crusade scenario. Load it as a saved game to play as the Imperium.


-Mod Variants:
Swizzle's Fleet battle mod: This variant focuses on shorter games with more intense and prolific fleet battles.

v.1 Fleet Battle: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/q3gw3lnyweysynt/AADPQZyx9WP1cLj9CbLsqqCUa

Contact info
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Email - mensreamc@gmail.com
steam - foughthelaw&won
Error reports and feedback welcome.


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RE: Warhammer 40k DW:U Mod - 6/20/2014 1:14:10 AM   
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Here is the info on the mods resources.

I.Strategic resources

A.Ore
1.Metal bearing materials.
2.Necessary for colony growth.

B.Rare Ores

1.Ores which are valuable but typically not abundant.
2.Only necessary for ship construction; trace amounts are found enough in normal ores to maintain civil industry.

C.Minerals
1.Valuable, non-metallic mined products.
2.Necessary for colony growth.

D.Rare Minerals
1.Minerals which are valuable but typically not abundant.
2.Only necessary for ship construction; trace amounts are found enough in normal minerals to maintain civil industry.

E.Gas
1.Though gas can be produced through various industrial processes involving minerals this unique mention pertains only to vast, highly economical sources.
2.Primarily a source of propellant utilized in early uranium powered spaceships.

F.Food
1.Calories for creatures. Any species which managed to make it this long has learned how to produce the stuff without much effort. However, hydroponic labs do not compare to vast tracts of fertile soil cost-wise, and many times the availability or lack there of of cheap food can make or break a developing colony.
2.Necessary for colony growth.

G.Water
1.Water. While quite plentiful in a gross sense, nothing beats positively enormous amounts of it concentrated in one location.
2.Necessary for colony growth.

H.Uranium
1.A radioactive element. One of the most energy dense substances in the universe and ideal for the generation of electricity.
2.Necessary in fission and quantum reactors, weapons and armor construction.

I.Hydrogen
1.The most abundant element in the universe. Despite this ranking its value to industry is enormous and large, concentrated deposits are a sought after resource for both civil and military purposes.
2.End game fuel used in fusion reactions, the byproducts of which are used as a propellant.

II.Luxury resources


A.Helium-3

1.A stable isotope of helium. Able to be fused for net positive energy using relatively primitive technology. Helium-3's properties make it an extremely coveted source of fuel for civil industry.

B.Biodiversity

1.Flora and fauna. Everything from food, to medicine, to mind altering substances. Can be caged, clipped or bottled to be sent off world to the delight of the masses.

C.Hydrocarbons

1.A diverse range of substances stretching from methane to heavy, sour crude. Useful in many industrial applications, and possessing a high EROI in such abundant quantities.

D.Artifacts

1.Remnants of bygone civilizations. They range from artsy and ethnic to advanced and deadly. Sought after by numerous institutions and individuals.

E.Rare gas
1.Though industrial processes enable civilizations to manufacture certain less abundant gasses to an extent, sizable deposits of such gasses are never the less a massive boon to industries that exploit them effectively.

F.Gold

1.Its here because I apparently cannot remove it. Moving on...

G.Exotic matter

1.Substances that exist beyond the fringe of current scientific knowledge. While novel uses may exist for them, they are mostly relegated to study at civil R&D institutions, which for a intergalactic empires constitute a notable amount of economic activity.

H.Thorium

1.The second most energy dense form of matter in the universe. Thorium can be utilized in cheap, effective, and safe reactors. Though thorium is less effective than uranium, its less destructive byproducts lead to its widespread appreciation and utilization among civilian populations.

I.Precious metals

1.Gold, silver and platinum, and in tremendous quantities. Though civil and military industry can generally work with small enough quantities of the stuff to guarantee a supply given even the most uneconomical sources, amounts this large are a tremendous boon to society. Further, their use in establishing stable monetary systems in certain cultures cannot be overlooked.

J.Industrial goods
1.Manufactured products for use in civil industry. Though colonies are more than capable of producing their own goods given enough time and population a prefabricated source of such necessities certainly expedites the process of development.

K.Consumer goods

1.Manufactured products intended to be used by civilians for private purposes, chiefly entertainment related ones. Whether booze, video games, or all terrain hover craft, everyone wants to have fun, and these products make it happen. An intergalactic trade in a variety of consumer goods is the basis of a healthy economy, and the diversity of products and prices are especially appealing to civilians.

III.Rare luxuries


A.Dust

1.Masses of inert nano particle sized robots. Imbued with programming that makes them susceptible to the neural impulses of an organism that consumes them, these robots are then able to manipulate the form and function of that organism to suit its will. Depending on the cognitive abilities of the organism, they range from helpful (keeping teeth clean) to incredible (prolonging life, enhancing strength, dexterity and intelligence).

B.Entheogens

1.Flora and fuana which possess powerful mind altering properties which range from the profound to the practically supernatural. Unique properties in the soil and atmoshpere of certain planets make reproduction of these substances very expensive. However, when grown or raised in their native habitats the entheogens are not only far more profitable but also more potent.

C.STC's

1.STC's, or Standard Template Constructs, were used extensively by advanced civilizations which dominated the galaxy before the Age of Strife. A complete STC would be capable of producing everything a colony needs to not only survive but thrive an almost any environment. Unfortunatly, this one has succumbed to entropy and has limited functionality. Nevertheless, the tech can be replicated and distributed to other worlds for further study and occasional use.

D.Rare artifacts

1.Remnants of ancient civilizations which contain extremely sophisticated technology, often verging on the incomprehensible. This technology holds the key to advancing societies at exponential rates and is extremely valuable.

E.Armillaria fruit

1.Not so much a fruit as a fungus. The Armillaria organism has in several instances managed to take over entire worlds, crowding out, consuming, or converting native organisms until the whole surface of the planet (and possibly the crust and mantle) is one giant fungal organism. In its dominance the immense thermal, chemical and solar energy it is capable of gathering actually becomes a liability; this fruit is the product of that liability. Though it is perhaps one of the most energy dense forms of matter known it is also edible and quite tasty, leading it to become valuable for survival and culinary delight.



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RE: Warhammer 40k DW:U Mod - 6/20/2014 4:31:24 AM   
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I'd suggest getting an image of the 40k galaxy to use as a galaxybackdrop... purely so the eye of terror is visible.

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RE: Warhammer 40k DW:U Mod - 6/20/2014 6:54:16 PM   
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That's a great idea, man. I'm definitely gonna do that, I just need to find an image that matches up right.

On that note the galaxy map thing may not work out so I'm just going to do my own version until something better comes along. Keep in mind that I will absolutely not put as much work into it as Osito has, I mostly just want a setting for the crusade and an accurate portrayal of the Sol system as it is in that era.

I was actually messing around with scenarios a little last night. I need to review the modding guide again but I'm pretty sure that they will have to be loaded as saved games or else all colonies/starting systems, etc are reset to null and randomized. Whatever. I will just pack up multiple saved games on different difficulties so players aren't stuck with the campaign being too hard or too easy. The only downside to that being that players will have to find their save folder which is different for steam and normal retail versions.

I'm sure we can work something out, though.

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RE: Warhammer 40k DW:U Mod - 6/20/2014 10:33:43 PM   
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The most recent update has broken my new facilities, which were all based off pirate bases. I will just remove them in the next update. I also need to address empire relations. People don't seem to hate each other as much as they should.

It would be really cool to have more options when it comes to facility modding. There is so much modders could do with that...adding arcologies that improve development, super-computer complexes that improve research...so many possibilities.

The eye of terror map doesn't seem to work out. Firstly, I can't find a good image of the galaxy in WH40k that's not all marked up (if someone can point me to one I would be thankful). Second, an actual map the size of the Milky Way galaxy would necessarily contain millions of colonizable worlds and take a long time to cross even in the context of the lore. I'm thinking of just concentrating on a section of the spiral arm where Sol is located. I just set up a pretty nice scenario centered on the Imperium following that idea and will pack it up with the next update.

I also had an idea in regards to dealing with lag. One thing that I think would mitigate lag issues more than increasing ship size is increasing the amount of cargo that can be held by cargo bays. Doing that would drastically cut down on the number of freighters needed, probably having a huge impact on lag reduction. The same could be said of passenger ships. Any thoughts on this?

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RE: Warhammer 40k DW:U Mod - 6/21/2014 4:21:08 PM   
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I've been lurking on this forum since I first bought Distant Worlds in 2011. I just registered to say that this is AWESOME.
I've been playing Battlefleet Gothic (probably only one of a very very few in my country) since around 99/00 and been a fan of the 40K universe ever since.
There is a defunct Battlefleet Gothic mod on this very site that has some ship units primarily of the Imperial ships you could use?

Great work! Keep it up!

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RE: Warhammer 40k DW:U Mod - 6/21/2014 4:37:06 PM   
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OK, so I found the file which contains the graphics I talked about. It's included in as an attachment in a post there and I have downloaded it. It has a birds eye view of the BFG ships.

I don't know who has authored this. I just found this file in the Battlefleet Gothic post.

Contact me if you want me to email it to you. It is too big to include as an attachment here.

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RE: Warhammer 40k DW:U Mod - 6/21/2014 4:48:28 PM   
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I went through the file and picked out all the relevant graphics. Some of them are great, some of them not so much. But at least its a start. I've included it as an attachment.

Attachment (1)

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RE: Warhammer 40k DW:U Mod - 6/21/2014 4:56:18 PM   
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I did some time ago some research for a 40K mod.
Ill see with what i can help you.


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RE: Warhammer 40k DW:U Mod - 6/21/2014 6:40:12 PM   
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OK, I've made a small add on to your mod for those of you who wish to play with some of the ships from Battlefleet Gothic using the graphics I included earlier.

Note: That this small add on only includes shipsets for the Imperials, Eldars and the Orcs and that the shipset is NOT complete meaning you will still see some vanilla graphics for your race.



INSTALLATION: Simply extract this .zip in your \Distant Worlds Universe\Customization\WH40K\image\units\ directory AFTER you have installed the main mod to your \Distant Worlds Universe\Customization\ directory.











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RE: Warhammer 40k DW:U Mod - 6/21/2014 6:43:01 PM   
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Sorry here is the mod. I tried to add a picture as well.

DOWNLOAD THIS ATTACHMENT TO INSTALL THE ADD ON.


Sorry for my use of caps lock. It is not intended to be rude, only to get the point across for those who quickly scroll down.

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RE: Warhammer 40k DW:U Mod - 6/21/2014 7:02:45 PM   
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Haha, after I have done some playtesting I see that the ships behavoiur is a bit strange as they are apparently flying sideways. I'll see if I can fix this somehow.

EDIT: I've now uploaded a fixed version. This also includes engines for the Imperials and the Orcs. I've NOT added engines to the eldars as they rely mainly on solar sails. I'll leave it to the author of the mod to decide if they should have engines or not.

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RE: Warhammer 40k DW:U Mod - 6/22/2014 4:55:48 AM   
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Thank you for the contributions and the encouragement! While you were working I was working as well, and used those images you provided to make new images for the Imperium. I ended up modifying many images to keep to the same theme and am not quite done yet but I will use the ones I have for the Imperials. Though I must say that we basically used the same models and seem to be on the same page lore wise. I mostly just added some new models for civilian ships/bases. I had not begun to work on Orks or Eldar but those are perfect choices, so I incorporated them. I welcome all contributions and will make sure to give credit where it is due.

Anyway, here is the change log. Keep in mind that you can update your mod and keep playing your saved games. You will see the new art but wont see the new changes mechanics wise. Sadly, I didn't have time to do the scenario for this one as it got a little messed up from some changes. I will try to pack it with the next update.

I would also like to say that further graphics may be unnecessary. The major races are covered and since no publication has yet to cover the minor races I think the vanilla models will do. The only other models I needed were for Chaos forces, but the red ones Vargius provided are perfect.

The update is attached to the opening post.

V.2 CHANGELOG
The Imperium Update
-Made races and race families hate each other more
-Fixed racial portrait problem (report and fix courtesy of 12_monkeys)
-Removed pirate based facilities
-Added some new wonders
-Reduced troop costs again via logistics research
-Added graphics for Imperial, Ork and Eldar ships courtesy of Vargius Battlefleet Gothic pack (good stuff!)
-Added Imperium troop graphics and some filler Ork ones
-Made planetary shields cost a lot more up front and in maintenance
-Made planetary ion cannons cost much more upfront and in maintenance. They are also much, much better
-Doubled the amount of cargo that can fit in cargo modules
-Added custom dialog for the Orks and the Imperium
-Added custom policies for the Imperium (beware - they routinely perform exterminatus!)
-Made armor=Astartes and special forces=Eversor assassins for the Imperium. Astartes weren't seeing much action as special forces
-Removed energy requirement for firing missiles. Doubled uranium and mineral resource requirements when constructing missile modules

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RE: Warhammer 40k DW:U Mod - 6/22/2014 6:56:20 AM   
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Good to hear. Keep up the good work!


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RE: Warhammer 40k DW:U Mod - 6/22/2014 5:17:50 PM   
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Wouldn't lowering the fuel consumption and the resource need for components, lower the amount of freighters needed? I think the ai is thinking about the amount fuel cells rather than the capacity and range, since my military ships never get any fuel when they are built.

Plus, Larger cargo bays means more space on ports for freighters to fill. I may wrong though.

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RE: Warhammer 40k DW:U Mod - 6/22/2014 9:20:02 PM   
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Glymner, I had already lowered fuel consumption of reactors substantially. As far as lowering resource requirements, we shall see. I kind of like how it is now, though, as I frequently strain my resources even with a fleet of construction ships working round the clock. That makes expansion necessary, but to expand you need more ships, food and water, which puts more pressure on getting new ore and mineral deposits, and so forth. This way I'm not just going to war arbitrarily, as my aggression is substantiated by a real need for resources.

I'm not sure what you mean with the fuel cells bit, could you please clarify/elaborate?

As far as there being more space on ports to fill, yes, but there is always infinite space on planets, so nothing really changes in that regard. Freighters will always be doomed to an endless, eternal commute but now you should theoretically need half as many to achieve the same results.

I understand that there will be unforeseen consequences but I'm not going anywhere soon and will be at hand to sort them out when needed (as long as I get reports on whats going on).

On another note: should I try to add racial victories? I feel that only complete conquest of all enemies/potential enemies is grounds for proclaiming victory. That or just being so ridiculously powerful that the outcome of any invasion is beyond a shadow of a doubt. However, that's me, and I'm sure other people have different ideas about what constitutes victory.

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RE: Warhammer 40k DW:U Mod - 6/22/2014 10:46:40 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mensrea
On another note: should I try to add racial victories? I feel that only complete conquest of all enemies/potential enemies is grounds for proclaiming victory. That or just being so ridiculously powerful that the outcome of any invasion is beyond a shadow of a doubt. However, that's me, and I'm sure other people have different ideas about what constitutes victory.


I like racial victories, because they force you to adapt your strategy. And I think you exaggerate with the "exterminate is the only option" - it's not really, after all no major civilization was really destroyed at the time, so we can say nobody won. :) Besides, xenocide is only important for some factions (I think just Imperium and Necrons, and Tyranids in a way), others have different objectives.

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RE: Warhammer 40k DW:U Mod - 6/23/2014 12:09:46 AM   
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Well, Orks, Eldar and Imperium should definitely have racial victories. What about the minor races? Really, their victories were either in just staying alive by spreading out or being strong enough to repel invasions on the worlds they had. Any ideas for minor race victory conditions?

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RE: Warhammer 40k DW:U Mod - 6/23/2014 7:18:01 AM   
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Minor race victory conditions could be some of the ones we have seen before like; kill more units than you lose, control x amount of the universes population/territory, achieve free trade with all races etc.

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RE: Warhammer 40k DW:U Mod - 6/23/2014 8:40:18 AM   
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Hi Mensrea, just found this mod, looks good; however, I noted the download is only 15.2MB - is that right? The other mods (star Trek etc.) are much larger (300-400MB) in size?

Cheers,

Tony

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RE: Warhammer 40k DW:U Mod - 6/23/2014 10:36:07 AM   
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There's very little graphics in this mod, which is probably the reason why its so much smaller than the other mods.

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RE: Warhammer 40k DW:U Mod - 6/23/2014 5:50:50 PM   
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I like it much, i have looking for troops too and made some from what i found in the internet. I cant link them here but i send you and pm

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RE: Warhammer 40k DW:U Mod - 6/23/2014 7:00:10 PM   
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No I was wondering if the ai was running around with overkill fuel capacity. But after checking their ships in the editor, that turned out not be the case.

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RE: Warhammer 40k DW:U Mod - 6/24/2014 2:00:09 PM   
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Maybe shakturi can be changed for necron/tyranid arrival or something with vastly powerful racial techs.

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RE: Warhammer 40k DW:U Mod - 6/24/2014 4:48:33 PM   
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I found a little bug while playing. After planet was captured by enemy and recaptured by rebels it became independent. After colonizing this planet anew by colony ship planet still have -61 rep from "we are angry at the recent conquest of our colony"

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RE: Warhammer 40k DW:U Mod - 6/24/2014 10:47:25 PM   
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Just finished auto-game between AIs - it was epic. Imperium steamrolled Auretians Diasporex and began beating Eldar then 80% victory conditions kicked in. As Imperium exterminates all xenos its constantly at war and -80 war weariness maybe not enough on big galaxy map. Also eldar used old shandar graphic for carrier. Legendary pirates must be redone as dark eldar to align with the setting :) Also for some reason sluken star burner tech allowed to research to everyone.

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RE: Warhammer 40k DW:U Mod - 6/25/2014 9:33:47 AM   
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Played it, and thought it was great :) Very well done!

I was playing as the Emperor of Mankind, Imperium, on "hard", with the orcs set at tech level 1 and with an established empire, and the Eldar set at tech level 4 IIRC. Most others were pre-warp, including myself.

From a gameplay perspective, however, I think the issue with giving ships and troops such low upkeep hampers the AI. I had just one system, one planet, and had just discovered warp drives. My population was like.. 6 billion? The Orcs had 120 billion, and something like 50 colonies, and were my neighbors to the "north". To the South-East, there was some human-type empire that had 30 billion population and 40k firepower.

The main issue was money at this point, but I made some deals, and started building up a fleet: "The 1st Crusade", of 36 size 800 destroyers with a few troop compartments each. Due to the cheap troop upkeep, for the last 20 years, I had been spamming imperial guard regiments at Earth, so I had hundreds of troops for this crusade. I first took on a neighboring one-system race, and quickly added their 5 billion people to my empire. Then I built a second 36-destroyer fleet ("The Second Crusade") and sent this, along with the 1st Crusade, against the 40 billion or so humans to my south-east. They had like 10 systems and colonies, but were quickly overwhelmed.

So basically, while the mod is great, it does need some balacning work as the AI does not appear to take advantage of the fact that you can build (almost) unlimited amounts of ships and troops. Of course, I didn't fight the 120 billion orc-empire yet, but they only had around 100k firepower, and I think I could actually manage to match this now that I took over 10 new systems. One thing htat could help would be to mod the race files (or policy) to have the AI garrison each planet with at least 12 troops, then they would be a lot harder to conquer at least!

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RE: Warhammer 40k DW:U Mod - 6/25/2014 1:30:36 PM   
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It's late here so I haven't really had time to play this tonight but took a quick glance through the txt files before starting a game, noticed many spelling errors. notepad++ might help you edit some of them out easily.

Something seemed a little off with the way Ork speech is portrayed ie Waaaahhhh! always had G's in it back when I was into 40k 'Waaaaaagh!' and Wez should be We'z or We iz...

lots of Ork quotes here if you want some examples.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ork_Quotes#.U6rFG2dZqUk

The tech tree seems pretty messy and could use more 40k flavour. Void Shields instead of Meridian Shields for example, Lascannons instead of Maxos Blasters or something, Turbolasers, Vortex Torpedoes, Pulsar Lances, Heavy Gunz, Nova Cannons. If you can find some battlefleet gothic handbooks, or check the various 40k wiki's I'm sure they include lots of inspiring names for all sorts of cosmetic component replacements.
The colonization branch unlocks every planet type in the first tech but then has empty techs with the same old names such as marshy swap colonization before going up to techs that unlock the other bonuses like terraformers, but are still named ocean colonization etc. Makes the mod look rather unpolished.
Various modded wonders have too much text in their descriptions, the details of what they actually do goes right off the bottom of my screen in the few I checked out.

'Shakturi Only' techs in the tech tree, intentional? I could also assign Shakturi and Mechanoids when choosing empires for my game.

Custom help files describing the various resources and races, components, facilities would be good.

You could try some 40k inspired BoltThrower tracks as theme music 'music to wargame by' is their motto and I believe there used to be free samples on their website. Just noticed as I was shutting it down that it was still the default music and thought that when I was playing the Star Trek Universe mod the TNG theme that started playing when you change theme MADE the mod.



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RE: Warhammer 40k DW:U Mod - 6/25/2014 4:04:27 PM   
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GVind - The shakturi/mechanoids will be replaced with traitor legions/loyalists at some point in the future. As far as that error goes your going to have to take it up with the games developer as that is beyond the scope of my modding powers (or anyones modding powers for that matter). I didn't do any of the ships graphics so you may want to ask Vargius about that. Great idea about the Dark Eldar; I wanted to do something with pirates and that will be perfect. I will address the Imperiums war weariness with the coming update and fix that starburner tech thing as well.

Imperius - If you are playing as the Imperium you are at a huge advantage when it comes to fleet maintenance (-90%). The other empires really can't touch you, militarily speaking, if you know what your doing. I initially made it so everyone had a huge fleet maintenance discount but got out of memory issues from so many objects flying around. I then removed those universal maintenance reductions for all but a few races. I may have to adjust some things again, fleet maintenance wise, but the AI isn't taking advantage of that because for the most part they can't.

I also had assigned racial policies to the TO-DO section, but you make a good point about the minimum troops per planet thing, so I will add that to the next update. Question: were you playing with aggression set to chaos? In several of my games (on hardest difficulty with aggression set to max) I got walloped by the AI (military ratings close to 1 million). Even when I was churning out ships like it was nothing the AI seemingly pulled twice as many ships out of nowhere.

Necaradan - Spelling errors? The only in game text I have added was the stuff for wonders and some gametext. I do use notepad++ as well and address spelling errors as I see them. One thing about notepad++: it uses the British spelling of words (adding u's in, etc) which we do not observe in the US, so you may be seeing a lot of that type of stuff appearing. Otherwise, could you tell me what files these errors are popping up in so I can fix them for the next update? As far as spelling Ork stuff right I kinda just rushed through it and didn't pay a whole lot of attention to spelling as I planned on doing a proper Orky update at some later point but didn't want them sounding intelligent or proper in the meantime.

The tech-tree stuff is on the TO-DO list as it will be a big undertaking - I wanted to add lots of techs for various races in addition to changing names to fit the lore. I have no idea what to do with the remaining colonization techs so I just left them as they are; I was only concerned about making sure all the colonization for X type of planet things were unlocked right away. The tech-tree probably looks unpolished because aside from changing some mechanics I haven't touched it at all - its all still vanilla.

I will cut the text for the new wonders down for the next update. I will also fix that shakturi/mechanoid issues which I admit I just disregarded for now as I don't play that game mode and I manually pick my empires instead of generating them randomly. Custom help files is something I'm not entirely willing to do as I would just be copy pasting from the lexicanum anyway (aside from resources), though I will gladly add anything people submit.

I never knew bolt thrower was a fan of WH but I should have guessed from the name. Someone referred them to me years ago but I never actually listened to their stuff. Aren't they heavy metal? I was considering adding tracks from the warhammer 40K RTS but I didn't to keep filesize down. I will listen to bolt thrower and see if the free songs fit. If they do, they are going in, otherwise I will put on a couple songs from the RTS, cause I feel you on the whole immersion thing.

Everyone - since I made the cargo space change have you guys noticed anything noteworthy? To me it seems like the AI builds just as many freighters but half of them sit around idling. I still got an out of memory error too. It happened in a game I was just starting to play last night so I'm wondering if it was really because there were too many objects or its something else. Now, it was a big game: largest map, more than 1400 stars as I added some, every empire but shaktori/mechanoids. The unusual thing was that most empires had less than 50k military power (I had about 200k as Imperium) while the last time I had the OOM issue was when at least a dozen empires had close to 1 million military power. I have 16 gigs of memory though the game is limited to 4 cause its 32 bit. I have noticed that I can continue to play games which crash from OOM issues after a reload (though they do tend to crash again), so it seems like garbage isn't being collected somewhere and unnecessary stuff is being kept loaded in the memory. I'm starting to wonder if something I did is causing a memory leak which makes me apprehensive about adding more stuff until I fix it.

I'm also wondering about how much strain troops put on the system. I imagine they are ticking off occasionally to determine whether they get more experience or not. If that's the case that could be a big problem once people starting pumping out thousands of them.

Either way, I just added all this stuff to my list of bugs that need fixing and the next update - the Orky update - will probably be released this weekend. I'm still going to take it slow content wise as the last thing I need to do is heap a bunch more problems on top of something that may already be broken.

EDIT: And thanks, everyone, for the feedback. And come to think of it, on the spelling issue, I may have spellcheck disabled on the terminal I was using at that time.

EDIT AGAIN: I checked the race.txt file as well as the race files for the mechanoids and shakturi and all of them say "Playable ;N" so I'm not sure why you can select them.

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RE: Warhammer 40k DW:U Mod - 6/25/2014 10:37:29 PM   
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Hmm.. you're right I guess as an Australian I probably noticed some incorrect English, however when I changed to the US dictionary it gave a whole other set of errors many of which seem to be because they are spelled the English way.

base_dialog.txt

acknowledgment, traveling, canceled.

facilities.txt

unequalled, commission, defenses, curiosities, construction

targetting/targeting is spelled both ways in more than one txt, I guess that's not your fault though. Nor is focussing or conveyers.

Yeah BoltThrower is heavy metal, definitely not for everyone. Just the first thing that came to mind when I thought about 40k and theme music.

When I said I could assign the Shakturi and Mechanoids that's what I meant, who knows if they are used when randomly generating empires. But I have also noticed you can set them up when playing the default theme too, I think it's a bug with the latest patch.

I agree about heaping problems on something already broken, just my opinion but I'd think getting gametext/help files/tech tree info out of the way first would be easier than the mechanics which will need rebalancing until they're right.

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