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[DWU] Forest planet images - 6/14/2014 2:43:26 PM   
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Seeing as there is no forest planet type in the game (sadly, and it's also sad that we can't mod one in), does DW automatically use the forest planet images for continental planets? If it doesn't, I'll damn well make sure it does!
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RE: [DWU] Forest planet images - 6/14/2014 3:27:51 PM   
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First of all, a "forest planet" is not really a valid concept. We have swamp planets and continental planets, either of which can be heavily forested.

Secondly... yeah, forests are awesome. :)

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RE: [DWU] Forest planet images - 6/14/2014 3:56:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Solarius Scorch

First of all, a "forest planet" is not really a valid concept.


Thirdly, the whole concept of single biome planets is basically a bit off. My logic is just that if you're going to have single biome planets you might as well have as much variety in them as possible!

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RE: [DWU] Forest planet images - 6/14/2014 4:17:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: gerishnakov

Thirdly, the whole concept of single biome planets is basically a bit off. My logic is just that if you're going to have single biome planets you might as well have as much variety in them as possible!


My point exactly! The devs were actually quite right here, sorting planets mostly by amount of water, which really does affect the entire biome.

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RE: [DWU] Forest planet images - 6/14/2014 5:03:10 PM   
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I see the devs as having sorted planet types by both water levels and surface temperature, with volcanic planets being the high extreme of temperature (get close enough to the star and it won't matter how much water is in the atmosphere!), then ice being the extreme of lots of water and low temperatures.

Naturally surface temperature is dependent on distance from star, star type, and star attributes (I've often wondered in game why it tells us the different energy outputs of stars). The different combinations of water level and surface temperature allow for the variations in planet types you see in game. Though sitting here now, not in game, I can't remember if volcanic planets occur through star systems. I know ice planets definitely occur further out, and deserts are found further in, but all of the others I'm not sure about.

The marshy swamp planets confuse me particularly. On the face of it you'd think they have more water than a continental planet, but if you look at the images in game you'll see the oceans are much smaller. The forest planet images on the other hand appear to have a similar amount of ocean coverage as the continentals.

My theory when it comes to the marshy planets, one I would apply if we could mod planets and star systems, is that they do have more water than continentals - a similar amount to ocean planets - but they are found (or should be found at least) closer to a system's star, resulting in more of the water existing as vapour in the air. Forest planets, and I stress that this part is not based at all on science as far as I know, would have a similar amount of water to continentals but be colder, further away from the system star but not as far as ice planets, resulting in a planet with no tropics, deserts or savannahs to speak of; just temperate forests, alpine forests, and tundra.

Boiling it down to numbers:

Volcanic, 3.0 temperature, any water
Desert, 2.0 temperature, 0.5 water
Marshy, 1.5 temperature, 1.5 water
Continental, 1.0 temperature, 1.0 water
Ocean, 1.0 temperature, 2.0 water
Forest, 0.5 temperature, 1.0 water
Ice, 0 temperature, 1.5 water
Barren, any temperature, 0 water

It's not quite that simple, the numbers would be more like ranges than single figures, but that's the gist anyhow.

That post was a lot longer than I originally intended, but I hope it makes for interesting reading. I have made a request on the master wish-list thread that the ability to mod planets and stars be added to the game, but it wasn't very detailed. I'll edit in a link to this.

Going all in on this, the image I've emedded below shows what I'm talking about:



By raising or lowering the surface temperature and water levels of a planet, you alter what 'biome' it is merely by decreasing the variety of biomes found on its surface. Looking at Earth, if you lowered our planet's surface temperature far enough, and increased the amount of water, you could theoretically (I stress, in the most unscientific way possible) end up with a planet dominated by subtropical forests.

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RE: [DWU] Forest planet images - 6/14/2014 5:37:52 PM   
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nice you forgot to mention that a balance is need for any of the types to be there, with to much of one aspect would result in the destabilization of the other areas. in other words what is where is determined by what type of environment is near by.

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RE: [DWU] Forest planet images - 6/14/2014 6:54:41 PM   
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That's why I stress that what I'm saying is absolutely not scientifically accurate, but neither is the game, so it's all good!

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RE: [DWU] Forest planet images - 6/15/2014 12:10:19 AM   
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yup just saying the more you know(with the catchy little jingle)

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RE: [DWU] Forest planet images - 6/15/2014 8:49:18 PM   
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I'd say there are two categories working together:

Atmosphere and surface condition.

If there's no or an insignificant atmosphere a planet can most likely be a barren rock, ice desert, desert or volcanic planet. With an atmosphere they could still be any of the aforementioned but also continental, marshy or an ocean planet. Though I assume they are referring to the predominat environment on a planet. I'd also assume that marshy planets do not need to be close to the sun in order to become that way, they just need the proper atmosphere and of course proper distance from their home star not getting burned or frozen to the core.

Getting back to desert planets I have to admit that I'm not sure if those could occur without atmosphere. It's also kind of a question regarding the differences of a barren rock or desert planet (and deserts do NOT necessarily consist of sand alone). How would you classify Mars in DW? Barren Rock or Desert? I believe it's a bit of both.

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