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RE: Back in the East STEF78 (Axis) Oshawott (USSR) - 6/29/2014 10:00:13 AM   
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Great AAR! Thanks very much for the lessons.



If there is somebody who takes a lesson in this game, it's me!

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RE: Back in the East STEF78 (Axis) Oshawott (USSR) - 6/29/2014 10:08:57 AM   
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Regarding your armament point situation I would like to know how many armament points does it cost to build a fortified zone?

I have currently 82 forts, all but 4 at 50%TOE. It represents the strength of 4 divs.

The first will be disbanded this turn (61) as fort level has reached 4


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RE: Back in the East STEF78 (Axis) Oshawott (USSR) - 6/29/2014 10:16:36 AM   
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STEF,
I think you are pointing at the right symptom in your analysis of why you are where you are: you are facing a red army which is already huge by early 1942. From looking at the numbers at the end of T17, it seems clear the root cause dates from the summer 1941 campaign.
If I compare Oshawott's Red Army compared to my game against JC, at T17:
It's hard to see what happened in 1941 since the AAR is light in details for the first few turns. But looking at numbers at T5 and T10, it looks like Oshawott was free to run east and take few losses early on, and by T10 already had a mighty army, combining all the units that retreated and reinforcements. In my game against JC I committed to fight forward, so I took higher losses (I only lost Kiev at T12!). Yet I still ended up gaining the upper hand in 1942.

So I think if a good Soviet player is free to just run east, unless the German player is very skilled, knows all the good cheese :) and opens with a huge Lvov pocket, the game is hugely to the soviets' advantage.


I think Kiev fell turn 7 or 8 but I won't say that Oshawott did a run away. He was cautious but always counterattacking.

It's also clear that once the german player stops attacking, the russian gets the initiative within a couple of turns.



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RE: Back in the East STEF78 (Axis) Oshawott (USSR) - 6/29/2014 10:19:22 AM   
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What level of losses the port should suffer to achieve it? I read 90%, is it the case?


If I understand the port system correctly any level 1 port is able to supply troops. So you would have to reduce the level 15 port of Odessa to below level 1. This means you have to cause 94% damage to the port.

It can be even worse. Is 0,6 equal to 1 or 0?

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RE: Back in the East STEF78 (Axis) Oshawott (USSR) - 6/29/2014 11:10:21 AM   
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Stef, the game seems to always round down. Data is stored as integers so everything to the right of the decimal point is dropped.

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RE: Back in the East STEF78 (Axis) Oshawott (USSR) - 6/29/2014 1:37:46 PM   
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It can be even worse.


It is worse because I forgot to take the repair rate of 3% into account. Damage would have to be 97%.

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RE: Back in the East STEF78 (Axis) Oshawott (USSR) - 6/29/2014 3:37:50 PM   
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And I also forgot to mention that the units will still have beachhead supply once port damage is 97%.

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RE: Back in the East STEF78 (Axis) Oshawott (USSR) - 6/29/2014 8:09:07 PM   
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And I also forgot to mention that the units will still have beachhead supply once port damage is 97%.

I've got the solution. I will deliver to the garrison 10 000 bottles of vodka. It will help to soften the defence.

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Back in the East STEF78 (Axis) Oshawott (USSR) - 6/29/2014 8:15:34 PM   
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Turn 58, 23th july 1942

One step back with an overview of the global front.

Finns are under pressure and retreating.

In the right lower corner you can see my 3 units recreated. Not so bad...



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RE: Back in the East STEF78 (Axis) Oshawott (USSR) - 6/30/2014 12:30:44 AM   
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I've got the solution. I will deliver to the garrison 10 000 bottles of vodka. It will help to soften the defence.


Careful, vodka makes Russians fight better.

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Back in the East STEF78 (Axis) Oshawott (USSR) - 6/30/2014 6:15:47 AM   
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Turn 61, 13 august 1942

Odessa cannot be taken!

Last attempt:

=> Heavy losses



=> Poor results


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RE: Back in the East STEF78 (Axis) Oshawott (USSR) - 6/30/2014 8:20:47 AM   
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Enjoy while you can. Version 1.08 will alter flak balance in German favour. Currently only the number of AA guns and their anti-air strength matters, but soon many factors will come into play: accuracy, rate of fire and blast of weapons, plus experience, morale and fatigue of soldiers operating them.

edit: I meant the Soviets can enjoy their AA efficiency :) I mixed your threads.

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RE: Back in the East STEF78 (Axis) Oshawott (USSR) - 6/30/2014 12:23:42 PM   
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Version 1.08 will alter flak balance in German favour.


This is probably a good thing to achieve historical Russian air plane losses.

But why is the 85 mm AA gun not firing at all? Are there other weapons in this game that just don't participate in combat?

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RE: Back in the East STEF78 (Axis) Oshawott (USSR) - 6/30/2014 12:28:36 PM   
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Odessa cannot be taken!

Last attempt:

=> Heavy losses


I don't understand why sapper222 was recommending bombing the port. I guess he would take the entire German bomber force to destroy the port in 3 or 4 turns? But then the two or three Rifle Corps in the city would still be in beachhead supply. They would still have a CV above 100 and you would need many divisions/pioneers to capture the city.

I still think the best approach would be to load up infantry divisions with pioneers and do multiple attacks on the city.

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RE: Back in the East STEF78 (Axis) Oshawott (USSR) - 6/30/2014 12:41:45 PM   
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Version 1.08 will alter flak balance in German favour.


This is probably a good thing to achieve historical Russian air plane losses.

But why is the 85 mm AA gun not firing at all? Are there other weapons in this game that just don't participate in combat?


Data from AI vs AI Stalingrad to Berlin on start of Axis turn 13:
Axis AA losses from 289 (1.7.15) to 55 (1.8.0).
Soviet AA losses from 62 (1.7.15) to 157 (1.8.0).

As for the 85mm - do you mean regular combat or just AA fire? Units attached to cities do not fight in land combat when their hex is attacked.

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RE: Back in the East STEF78 (Axis) Oshawott (USSR) - 6/30/2014 1:02:49 PM   
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As for the 85mm - do you mean regular combat or just AA fire?


I have 3 PVO AA Regiments in Odessa. They each have 20 85 mm AA guns as their main weapon. During bombing of the port only the 37 mm AA guns participate in combat.






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RE: Back in the East STEF78 (Axis) Oshawott (USSR) - 6/30/2014 1:51:36 PM   
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While I'm pretty sure this is only a display issue (flak power is calculated separately from listing AA guns), a review of the flak functions resulted in fixing some bugs and perhaps making the reporting more reliable in 1.8.0.

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Back in the East STEF78 (Axis) Oshawott (USSR) - 7/1/2014 6:50:06 PM   
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Turn 61, 13th august 1942

Initiative is going to USSR... This time it's sure, I will not win this game.

First significant soviet attack during clear weather. For the moment he is still cautious and back to his forts.



And the german counterattack. Note the 4 Pzd with 180 AFV...


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RE: Back in the East STEF78 (Axis) Oshawott (USSR) - 7/1/2014 10:39:18 PM   
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Alarmingly, even with that successful counterattack, your losses were about even, making it a strategic victory for the Soviets in terms of manpower. I fear that you are right about the initiative and this will be a supreme test of your defensive skills. Good luck!

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RE: Back in the East STEF78 (Axis) Oshawott (USSR) - 7/2/2014 8:54:14 PM   
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I fear that you are right about the initiative and this will be a supreme test of your defensive skills. Good luck!

I will need skill, luck and more to achieve a draw!!!

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Back in the East STEF78 (Axis) Oshawott (USSR) - 7/2/2014 8:56:54 PM   
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Turn 63, 27th august 1942

Front is stable. USSR is grinding in direction of Leningrad, Briansk and Poltava

The main battles



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RE: Back in the East STEF78 (Axis) Oshawott (USSR) - 7/2/2014 9:16:54 PM   
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the worrying bit about that sequence of results is that losses are pretty even, seems that even when you make a succesful counterattack you are really just trading losses?

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RE: Back in the East STEF78 (Axis) Oshawott (USSR) - 7/2/2014 9:27:46 PM   
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There seems to come a point usually in mid to late summer 42 where Axis attacks casualties go up. Is this from Soviet toe changes?

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RE: Back in the East STEF78 (Axis) Oshawott (USSR) - 7/2/2014 9:48:13 PM   
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the worrying bit about that sequence of results is that losses are pretty even, seems that even when you make a succesful counterattack you are really just trading losses?

You're right. Stacks that can be attacked have usually 3 corps. My Pzd are far from full strength so I get odds between 2.5 to 3.5. Not enough to inflict significant losses.

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RE: Back in the East STEF78 (Axis) Oshawott (USSR) - 7/2/2014 9:49:51 PM   
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My force strength chart shows me that while Soviet artillery stays stable in '41, at about 45k, it grows to 90k in 6'42 (mostly from mortars if I remember well). This is completely not noticeable in unit CVs, since artillery has no CV. However those guns cause large number of losses during battles.

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RE: Back in the East STEF78 (Axis) Oshawott (USSR) - 7/2/2014 9:53:13 PM   
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That makes sense.

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Back in the East STEF78 (Axis) Oshawott (USSR) - 7/8/2014 10:13:46 PM   
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Turn 64, 3rd september 1942

I'm turning turtle. Soviet is grinding hexes in several parts of the front. Still very low on AFV

Just a look at my 3 Pzd/Mot reurned after destruction in may 1942


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Back in the East STEF78 (Axis) Oshawott (USSR) - 7/12/2014 12:48:36 PM   
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Turn 68, 1st october 1942

2 turns before mud... In 1942, I'm already counting the turns before mud!

Considering respective OOB, the date and the space available, situation is desesperate.

An overview of the global map with the main axes of soviet attacks.

As you can notice, for the first time since april, my armament pool isn't at zero!



The russians did a successfull raid on Leningrad. I was too confident. Fortunatly they didn't have the MP's to take the city.

The consequence:



And the main battles of the turn



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RE: Back in the East STEF78 (Axis) Oshawott (USSR) - 7/12/2014 4:51:21 PM   
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The russians did a successfull raid on Leningrad. I was too confident. Fortunatly they didn't have the MP's to take the city.


I could have moved a mechanized corps into the city. But it would have been to easy to push it out of the city. Better to be patient.

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RE: Back in the East STEF78 (Axis) Oshawott (USSR) - 7/12/2014 6:57:34 PM   
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41 was a cakewalk for the Russian air-force but 42 is a different picture.






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