Making Allied Lemonade-Chickenboy (IJ) vs. SqzMyLemon (AD)

[Chickenboy]

Against my better judgement I've decided to do two stupid things: 1. Take on another CG PBEM and 2. Put together an AAR on it.

This game will match me up with SqzMyLemon. He will play the role of the Allied Dogs (AD). He has granted me the benefit of scenario 2 and some reasonable house rules (available upon request). We don't have a ton of HRs, just a handful to smooth over some of the more cumbersome aspects of gameplay that we both find distasteful.

This first post is an introduction to the AAR, such as it will be. I particularly wanted to welcome any new or wannabe JFBs. Please post any questions you have. I swear that I'll be patient. I enjoy teaching (I have done it in real life) and learning from students too.

I'll ask SqzMyLemon to read no further in this AAR. Best of luck to you, sir!

Turn's off! BANZAI!

[AW1Steve]

He has my absolute sympathy! [:D] Consider me subscribed! And I'll be full of questions. Like are you starting with your favorite ploy , Manila 1st? [&:]

[witpqs]

Good luck! [:)]

[jeffk3510]

Good luck! Looking forward to it.

[Chickenboy]

Here's the Combat Report for December 7, 1941.

Commentary will follow in the post below.


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 07, 41
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Midget Sub attack inside harbor of Pearl Harbor!!!

Japanese Ships
SSX Ha-18

Allied Ships
BB West Virginia, Torpedo hits 1





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Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 24,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 18



Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 13


No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Buffalo I: 6 destroyed



Aircraft Attacking:
15 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 20000 feet *

CAP engaged:
No.488 Sqn RAF with Buffalo I (2 airborne, 5 on standby, 6 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 95 minutes



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Morning Air attack on Iba , at 78,75

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 21 NM, estimated altitude 24,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9



Allied aircraft
P-26A x 1


No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-26A: 1 destroyed



Aircraft Attacking:
9 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 23000 feet

CAP engaged:
6th PS PAAC with P-26A (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 42 minutes



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Morning Air attack on Clark Field , at 79,76

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 18



Allied aircraft
P-26A x 3


No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-26A: 1 destroyed



Aircraft Attacking:
18 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 25000 feet

CAP engaged:
6th PS PAAC with P-26A (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(3 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 35 minutes



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Morning Air attack on Rangoon , at 54,53

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 47 NM, estimated altitude 28,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 36



Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 5


No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Buffalo I: 1 destroyed



Aircraft Attacking:
36 x Ki-43-Ib Oscar sweeping at 25000 feet

CAP engaged:
No.67 Sqn RAF with Buffalo I (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 43 minutes



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Morning Air attack on Kuching , at 58,88

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 27



No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
xAKL Shinai, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage


Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Port hits 10
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 6000 feet
Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Manila , at 79,77

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 62 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 21 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 45
G3M2 Nell x 36
G4M1 Betty x 81



No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AM Tanager, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
SS Spearfish, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk
SS Permit, Bomb hits 2, heavy damage
AV Langley, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
PG Isabel, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
SS Perch, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
PG Tulsa, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS Sculpin, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
AVD Childs, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAKL Princess of Negros, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Pope, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
SS Shark, Bomb hits 1
PT Q-111, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
SS S-40, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
TK Gertrude Kellogg, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
SS Porpoise, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
SS Pike, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
xAK Ethel Edwards, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
SS Saury, Bomb hits 3, heavy damage
AM Lark, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
SS Sailfish, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
SS Tarpon, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
SS Pickerel, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
AS Canopus, Bomb hits 1
xAP Rochambeau, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Peary, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
SS Seadragon, Bomb hits 1
xAK Si Kiang, Bomb hits 2, on fire
AM Whippoorwill, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AS Otus, Bomb hits 2
SS Snapper, Bomb hits 1
SS Sealion, Bomb hits 1
DD Pillsbury, Bomb hits 1
AS Holland, Bomb hits 1
xAP President Madison, Bomb hits 1
SS S-41, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
SS S-38, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
AO Trinity, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
DD John D. Ford, Bomb hits 1
AM Bittern, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
SS Seal, Bomb hits 1
xAK Yu Sang, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS S-37, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
SS Seawolf, Bomb hits 1


Allied ground losses:
25 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Port hits 13
Port fuel hits 3
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 6000 feet
Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
27 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 6000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
27 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 6000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
27 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 6000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
9 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 6000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Hong Kong , at 77,61

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 36 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B5M1 Mabel x 3
Ki-27b Nate x 10
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 12
Ki-51 Sonia x 24



No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
xAK Haraldsvang, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Bennevis, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
xAKL Yat Shing, Bomb hits 2, on fire
xAK Nanning, Bomb hits 3, on fire
xAK Ming Sang, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
xAK Hinsang, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Munlock, Bomb hits 2, on fire
xAK Hai Lee, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires
xAK Hanyang, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAKL Kanchow, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAKL Soochow, Bomb hits 2


Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Repair Shipyard hits 10
Port hits 9
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B5M1 Mabel bombing from 5000 feet *
Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
18 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 5000 feet
Port Attack: 4 x 50 kg GP Bomb
5 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 5000 feet
City Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
7 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 5000 feet
Port Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
6 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 5000 feet
City Attack: 4 x 50 kg GP Bomb

Massive explosion on xAKL Kanchow
Massive explosion on xAKL Soochow


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Morning Air attack on Georgetown , at 49,74

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M2 Nell x 18
Ki-27b Nate x 16



Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 18


Japanese aircraft losses
G3M2 Nell: 7 destroyed, 6 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
xAK Ellenga, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
xAP Hong Siang, Bomb hits 2, on fire
xAKL Nam Yong, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
xAP Kelantan, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Wing Sang, Bomb hits 1



Port hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 6000 feet
Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
2 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 6000 feet
Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
No.21 Sqn RAAF with Buffalo I (1 airborne, 4 on standby, 13 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 132 minutes
10 planes vectored on to bombers



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Morning Air attack on Naga , at 81,81

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
D3A1 Val x 18



No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
xAKL Sarangami, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
TK Manatawny, Bomb hits 1
xAK Governor Wright, Bomb hits 2, on fire
xAKL Taurus, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAKL Dos Hermanos, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage



Port hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Manila , at 79,77

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 111 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 47 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 56
B5N2 Kate x 144
D3A1 Val x 117



Allied aircraft
no flights

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed

Allied Ships
AO Trinity, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
SS Sturgeon, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
SS Salmon, Bomb hits 5, and is sunk
SS Shark, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
SS Permit, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
SS Saury, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
SS S-38, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
SS Sargo, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
SS Seawolf, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
SS Stingray, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
SS Snapper, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
SS Seadragon, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk
SS Swordfish, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
SS Tarpon, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Si Kiang, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
SS Sealion, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
SS Skipjack, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk
SS S-40, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
xAKL Palawan, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
SS Searaven, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
PG Tulsa, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
AVD Childs, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
AS Otus, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
SS Seal, Bomb hits 5, and is sunk
AM Finch, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
AO Pecos, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAKL Corregidor, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
xAP Neptuna, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
PT-31, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
AM Whippoorwill, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
AS Holland, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Pillsbury, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAKL Sagoland, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
xAP President Madison, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD John D. Ford, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
SS S-41, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
xAP Rochambeau, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
PG Asheville, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Yu Sang, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
xAKL Princess of Negros, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAKL Paz, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
AS Canopus, Bomb hits 1, on fire
PT Q-113, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
PT-33, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
PT-41, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
PT-35, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Tantalus, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
AV Langley, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
PT Q-112, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
TK Mindanao, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
PT-34, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
AM Quail, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
AM Tanager, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Capillo, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires


Allied ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Port hits 8
Port fuel hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 5000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
10 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
27 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 5000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
10 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
18 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 5000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
18 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 5000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
27 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 5000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
21 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
27 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 5000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
10 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
7 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
19 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
6 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
6 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
24th PG/17th PS with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 7 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 17 minutes

Training flight from 24th PG/17th PS has been caught up in attack
Massive explosion on SS Shark


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Morning Air attack on Tarakan , at 67,91

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 7 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B5N1 Kate x 12



No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AVP Valk, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
CM Prins van Oranje, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires



Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B5N1 Kate bombing from 5000 feet *
Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Hong Kong , at 77,61

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 109 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 27



No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
xAK Fatshan, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
xAK Bennevis, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAKL Yat Shing, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
xAK Hanyang, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Munlock, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
xAK Hai Lee, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Ming Sang, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
xAK Nanning, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage



Repair Shipyard hits 8
Port hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
14 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 10000 feet
Port Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb

Massive explosion on xAK Hanyang


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Morning Air attack on Alor Star , at 49,73

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 5,200 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 21



Allied aircraft
no flights

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim I: 1 damaged
Blenheim I: 1 destroyed on ground


Allied ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 23

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 1200 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Alor Star , at 49,73

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ia Oscar x 24
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 13
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 55



Allied aircraft
no flights

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim I: 15 damaged
Blenheim I: 2 destroyed on ground


Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Airbase hits 25
Airbase supply hits 11
Runway hits 51

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
30 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Clark Field , at 79,76

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 26 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 18



Allied aircraft
no flights

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17D Fortress: 18 damaged
P-35A: 9 damaged
P-40B Warhawk: 6 damaged
O-47A: 9 damaged


Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Airbase hits 10
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 14

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on 89th Chinese Corps, at 90,50 (Pengpu)

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 4 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 1 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 12



No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
52 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Ki-30 Ann bombing from 5000 feet
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Hong Kong , at 77,61

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 1 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 0 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-36 Ida x 27



Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-36 Ida: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
xAK Fatshan, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAKL Joan Moller, Bomb hits 2, on fire
xAKL Halldor, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
xAK Hanyang, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAKL Soochow, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
xAK Bennevis, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAKL Kanchow, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAKL Chengtu, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage



Port hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x Ki-36 Ida bombing from 5000 feet
Port Attack: 4 x 30 kg GP Bomb
6 x Ki-36 Ida bombing from 5000 feet
City Attack: 4 x 30 kg GP Bomb

Massive explosion on xAKL Halldor


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Morning Air attack on 12th Chinese Corps, at 87,48 , near Sinyang

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27b Nate x 24



No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
34 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Aircraft Attacking:
24 x Ki-27b Nate bombing from 3000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 50 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on 3rd New Chinese Corps, at 84,55 , near Nanchang

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27b Nate x 12



Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-27b Nate: 4 damaged


Allied ground losses:
13 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Ki-27b Nate bombing from 2000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 50 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Georgetown , at 49,74

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 27



Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 7


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged

No Allied losses



Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 15

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 5000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
No.21 Sqn RAAF with Buffalo I (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 6000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 55 minutes



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Morning Air attack on FMSV Brigade, at 51,75 (Kota Bharu)

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 3 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 0 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 22
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 19



Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 1


No Japanese losses

No Allied losses


Allied ground losses:
55 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Aircraft Attacking:
22 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 5000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
No.243 Sqn RAF Det with Buffalo I (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Raid is overhead



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Morning Air attack on 64th Chinese Corps, at 72,58 (Pakhoi)

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-51 Sonia x 19



No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
24 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 5000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 50 kg GP Bomb
9 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 5000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 50 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Kota Bharu , at 51,75

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 31



Allied aircraft
no flights

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Vildebeest III: 4 damaged
Hudson I: 18 damaged
Hudson I: 1 destroyed on ground


Allied ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled


Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 21

Aircraft Attacking:
31 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on 21st Chinese Corps, at 85,55 , near Nanchang

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 2 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 0 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-51 Sonia x 12



No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
26 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 5000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 50 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Guam , at 106,95

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 6
G4M1 Betty x 14



No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AM Penguin, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage



Port hits 2
Port fuel hits 6

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 5000 feet
Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Rabaul , at 106,125

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 9



No Japanese losses



Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 32

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 5000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Rangoon , at 54,53

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 18
G4M1 Betty x 18
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 36



Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Buffalo I: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
xAK Mundra, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAKL Agnes, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
xAK Chilka, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAKL Chaksang, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Indira, Bomb hits 2, on fire


Allied ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 27
Port hits 1
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
36 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
18 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 6000 feet
Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

Massive explosion on xAKL Chaksang


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Morning Air attack on Sorong , at 82,107

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B5N1 Kate x 9



No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
PC Zeeman, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
AVP Reiger, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk


Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Port hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B5N1 Kate bombing from 5000 feet *
Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Wake Island , at 136,98

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M2 Nell x 27



Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 4


Japanese aircraft losses
G3M2 Nell: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 2 damaged
F4F-3 Wildcat: 1 destroyed on ground


Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Airbase hits 11
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 16

Aircraft Attacking:
26 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 2000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
VMF-211 Det with F4F-3 Wildcat (1 airborne, 3 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 107 minutes



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Morning Air attack on Manila , at 79,77

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 18 NM, estimated altitude 25,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9



No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
xAKL Sagoland, and is sunk
AM Tanager, and is sunk



Aircraft Attacking:
9 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 23000 feet *



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Morning Air attack on Manila , at 79,77

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 31 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 18



No Japanese losses



Aircraft Attacking:
18 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 15000 feet



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Morning Air attack on Georgetown , at 49,74

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27b Nate x 39



Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 1


No Japanese losses

No Allied losses



Aircraft Attacking:
26 x Ki-27b Nate sweeping at 10000 feet

CAP engaged:
No.21 Sqn RAAF with Buffalo I (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 1 scrambling)
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 3 minutes



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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Groot Natoena at 56,83

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes


Allied aircraft
139WH-3 x 6


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
CA Suzuya
CA Kumano



Aircraft Attacking:
6 x 139WH-3 bombing from 15000 feet *
Naval Attack: 2 x 300 kg SAP Bomb



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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Kota Bharu at 51,75

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 8 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27b Nate x 5
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 7



Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 6
Hudson I x 3


No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 2 destroyed
Buffalo I: 1 destroyed by flak



CAP engaged:
1st Sentai with Ki-27b Nate (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(16 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Raid is overhead
64th Sentai with Ki-43-Ib Oscar (7 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 12000
Raid is overhead



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Afternoon Air attack on Singora , at 51,72

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27b Nate x 5



Allied aircraft
Blenheim IF x 3
Buffalo I x 8


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-27b Nate: 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IF: 1 damaged
Buffalo I: 1 destroyed



Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Blenheim IF bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 40 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
77th Sentai Det A with Ki-27b Nate (1 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 8 minutes



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Naval bombardment of Kota Bharu at 51,75

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 25 damaged
Vildebeest III: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Haruna
BB Kongo
CA Atago
CA Takao
CL Jintsu
DD Hibiki
DD Akatsuki
DD Arashio
DD Michishio
DD Oshio
DD Asashio


Allied ground losses:
279 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 11 destroyed, 30 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)


Airbase hits 20
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 43
Port hits 23
Port supply hits 7

BB Haruna firing at 8th Indian Brigade
BB Kongo firing at Kota Bharu
CA Atago firing at 8th Indian Brigade
CA Takao firing at Kota Bharu
CL Jintsu firing at Kota Bharu
DD Hibiki firing at Kota Bharu
DD Akatsuki firing at Kota Bharu
DD Arashio firing at Kota Bharu
DD Michishio firing at Kota Bharu
DD Oshio firing at Kota Bharu
DD Asashio firing at Kota Bharu


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Pre-Invasion action off Kota Bharu (51,75)

31 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
CL Sendai
PB Tatsumiya Maru
SC Ch 9
SC Ch 7
AK Sasako Maru
DD Ayanami

Japanese ground losses:
35 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



CL Sendai firing at 8th Indian Brigade
PB Tatsumiya Maru fired at enemy troops
SC Ch 9 fired at enemy troops
SC Ch 7 fired at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 5,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 1,000 yards


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Amphibious Assault at Kota Bharu (51,75)

TF 85 troops unloading over beach at Kota Bharu, 51,75

Japanese ground losses:
78 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 56th Infantry Rgt /2
18 troops of a IJA Engineer Squad lost overboard during unload of 12th Engr Rgt
18 troops of a IJA Engineer Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 12th Engr Rgt
18 troops of a IJA Engineer Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 12th Engr Rgt


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Amphibious Assault at Atimonan (80,79)

TF 90 troops unloading over beach at Atimonan, 80,79





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Amphibious Assault at Vigan (80,73)

TF 96 troops unloading over beach at Vigan, 80,73





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Ground combat at Pengpu (90,50)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 5442 troops, 38 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 182

Defending force 1342 troops, 18 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 44

Japanese adjusted assault: 140

Allied adjusted defense: 4

Japanese assault odds: 35 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), preparation(-), morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
204 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 15 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled


Allied ground losses:
550 casualties reported
Squads: 29 destroyed, 20 disabled
Non Combat: 14 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 4 (4 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 1


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
13th Ind.Mixed Brigade

Defending units:
89th Chinese Corps


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Ground combat at Mauban (80,78)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 253 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 20

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 17

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 17 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Mauban !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)



Assaulting units:
Yokosuka 1st SNLF /1


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Ground combat at Vigan (80,73)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 149 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 21

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 12

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 12 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Vigan !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: shock(+)



Assaulting units:
Yokosuka 3rd SNLF /1
24th JAAF AF Bn

[ny59giants]

Unlimited port attacks on turn 1 will hurt the Allies. You definitely showed that!! [X(]

The air groups at Pearl 'may' hurt you if AD plays his cards right.

[Chickenboy]

Thanks ny59giants,

Here's the butcher's bill for the day. 26 subs. There's a bunch of xAKL, xAK, TK, AO and other auxiliaries that aren't on this list, but will be before long.

ETA: Bad day to be an Allied sailor on a submarine that starts with the letter "S" or the letter "P". [X(]

[Chickenboy]

South China Sea and surrounds 12.7.41

[Chickenboy]

Celebes Sea and Southern Philippines

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

The air groups at Pearl 'may' hurt you if AD plays his cards right.

Yeah, the air groups at Pearl are something that I can't argue. It would have been sweet to bash up a bunch of his P40s, Catalinas and the like, no question. Both from a 'damaging his air groups' and probable VPs, the clear winner is a PH attack.

But there are variables in a PH attack too. If we went with a historical perspective, the PH attack was largely inconsequential in the overall thrust and flow of the Pacific war. Huge efforts were expended by the Americans to get the Oklahoma, Nevada, California and West Virginia back in order. Sure, they got to help get a coup de grace against Kirishima in the Surigao straits, but was their presence that important to the war effort?

A historical December 8 turn in this game starts with Oklahoma and Arizona gone, right? So that's how this game would reflect history. Other PH attacks have met with success, sinking 4-5 BBs. Other PH attacks have met with inexplicable inefficiency as well-we've both seen AARs where no BBs were sunk.

Then there's the risk to KBs airgroups. Sure, my A6M2 aces can shoot up some Catalinas on Hawaii. I can also lose 29 of 'em by attacking that port AAA. Lose 29 highly trained pilots on day 1? I like the idea of the soft target (Manila) much more.

Lastly, the war is long. There's still plenty of time for him to lose those old BBs to torpedo attack on the high seas. A lucky submarine intercept can do as much damage as a full-throated KB attack on the port, with considerably less risk.

Plus, the presence of KB in the Philippines will absolutely implode Allied defenses there. Far too many Japanese players lose sight of the MAIN goal of their conquest-securing resources of the DEI. Other than the opportunity to kill Allied troops for VPs, I want to capture as much of the DEI as fast and efficiently as possible. Crushing nascent Allied opposition and putting his naval forces to rout across the DEI helps to secure these efforts.

[ny59giants]

Since you are playing Scenario 2, where are you planning on going with those extra troops once the SRA/DEI is conquered?? Inquiring minds want to know!! [;)]

[AW1Steve]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

The air groups at Pearl 'may' hurt you if AD plays his cards right.

Yeah, the air groups at Pearl are something that I can't argue. It would have been sweet to bash up a bunch of his P40s, Catalinas and the like, no question. Both from a 'damaging his air groups' and probable VPs, the clear winner is a PH attack.

But there are variables in a PH attack too. If we went with a historical perspective, the PH attack was largely inconsequential in the overall thrust and flow of the Pacific war. Huge efforts were expended by the Americans to get the Oklahoma, Nevada, California and West Virginia back in order. Sure, they got to help get a coup de grace against Kirishima in the Surigao straits, but was their presence that important to the war effort?

A historical December 8 turn in this game starts with Oklahoma and Arizona gone, right? So that's how this game would reflect history. Other PH attacks have met with success, sinking 4-5 BBs. Other PH attacks have met with inexplicable inefficiency as well-we've both seen AARs where no BBs were sunk.

Then there's the risk to KBs airgroups. Sure, my A6M2 aces can shoot up some Catalinas on Hawaii. I can also lose 29 of 'em by attacking that port AAA. Lose 29 highly trained pilots on day 1? I like the idea of the soft target (Manila) much more.

Lastly, the war is long. There's still plenty of time for him to lose those old BBs to torpedo attack on the high seas. A lucky submarine intercept can do as much damage as a full-throated KB attack on the port, with considerably less risk.

Plus, the presence of KB in the Philippines will absolutely implode Allied defenses there. Far too many Japanese players lose sight of the MAIN goal of their conquest-securing resources of the DEI. Other than the opportunity to kill Allied troops for VPs, I want to capture as much of the DEI as fast and efficiently as possible. Crushing nascent Allied opposition and putting his naval forces to rout across the DEI helps to secure these efforts.

I know you don't have much regard for the PH BB's, but when he starts taking back territory they will hurt you. They will take hits that would normally slaughter the APA's in his amphib invasion forces, they will be available for "atomic" bombardments, and can be used against raiders with long range , high value convoys. By and large , ALL ,of your forces in the PI can be best described as "obsolete". While it's gratifying to rack up low numbers of AKL's, gunboats and submarines that are generally no threat to you till late 1943 (by that time , you'll have much more capable new construction anyway) you really haven't hurt the allies that much by destroying the PI. Frankly , the ships I've missed the most in the three times you've used this gambit against me have been the "Bird" class AM's (which I always convert to AVP's).

By hitting PH you may damage his fuel, docks and infrastructure , and you may get the old BB's, but you'll hit modern DD's , CL's and support ships. And you'll tie up his dry docks for months with damaged ships , as well as delaying his updating them (by making him reluctant to send them to the west coast , either from fear of running cripples into the KB , or just from unrepaired battle damage.

And he'll be reluctant to send reinforcements and supply convoys to PH for weeks , fearful that the KB is waiting around to massacre them. And of course the aforementioned air frames question. Maul PH and it will be months till he has enough air frames to fill out a single squadron of fighters completely to facilitate faster training.


So I guess your going for a "quick body count" and a early Auto victory? [&:]

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

The air groups at Pearl 'may' hurt you if AD plays his cards right.

Yeah, the air groups at Pearl are something that I can't argue. It would have been sweet to bash up a bunch of his P40s, Catalinas and the like, no question. Both from a 'damaging his air groups' and probable VPs, the clear winner is a PH attack.

But there are variables in a PH attack too. If we went with a historical perspective, the PH attack was largely inconsequential in the overall thrust and flow of the Pacific war. Huge efforts were expended by the Americans to get the Oklahoma, Nevada, California and West Virginia back in order. Sure, they got to help get a coup de grace against Kirishima in the Surigao straits, but was their presence that important to the war effort?

A historical December 8 turn in this game starts with Oklahoma and Arizona gone, right? So that's how this game would reflect history. Other PH attacks have met with success, sinking 4-5 BBs. Other PH attacks have met with inexplicable inefficiency as well-we've both seen AARs where no BBs were sunk.

Then there's the risk to KBs airgroups. Sure, my A6M2 aces can shoot up some Catalinas on Hawaii. I can also lose 29 of 'em by attacking that port AAA. Lose 29 highly trained pilots on day 1? I like the idea of the soft target (Manila) much more.

Lastly, the war is long. There's still plenty of time for him to lose those old BBs to torpedo attack on the high seas. A lucky submarine intercept can do as much damage as a full-throated KB attack on the port, with considerably less risk.

Plus, the presence of KB in the Philippines will absolutely implode Allied defenses there. Far too many Japanese players lose sight of the MAIN goal of their conquest-securing resources of the DEI. Other than the opportunity to kill Allied troops for VPs, I want to capture as much of the DEI as fast and efficiently as possible. Crushing nascent Allied opposition and putting his naval forces to rout across the DEI helps to secure these efforts.

I know you don't have much regard for the PH BB's, but when he starts taking back territory they will hurt you. They will take hits that would normally slaughter the APA's in his amphib invasion forces, they will be available for "atomic" bombardments, and can be used against raiders with long range , high value convoys. By and large , ALL ,of your forces in the PI can be best described as "obsolete". While it's gratifying to rack up low numbers of AKL's, gunboats and submarines that are generally no threat to you till late 1943 (by that time , you'll have much more capable new construction anyway) you really haven't hurt the allies that much by destroying the PI. Frankly , the ships I've missed the most in the three times you've used this gambit against me have been the "Bird" class AM's (which I always convert to AVP's).

By hitting PH you may damage his fuel, docks and infrastructure , and you may get the old BB's, but you'll hit modern DD's , CL's and support ships. And you'll tie up his dry docks for months with damaged ships , as well as delaying his updating them (by making him reluctant to send them to the west coast , either from fear of running cripples into the KB , or just from unrepaired battle damage.

And he'll be reluctant to send reinforcements and supply convoys to PH for weeks , fearful that the KB is waiting around to massacre them. And of course the aforementioned air frames question. Maul PH and it will be months till he has enough air frames to fill out a single squadron of fighters completely to facilitate faster training.

I know we have a fundamentally different point of view about the value of the Pearl Harbor strike versus having KB on hand for early landings in and around the PI. Vive la difference! [:)]

I *do* respect the old BBs, once they are refit and upgraded. It will be well into 1943 until he can do harm against me with them, IMO. Hopefully, I can nick one of two of 'em before then.

So I guess your going for a "quick body count" and a early Auto victory? [&:]

Ayup. It's my best shot at "winning" the game. If I can Auto-vic him, that's the game engine's objective way of telling me that I'm doing something right.

As of turn 1 in China, he's falling back. That could be a problem for my most opportunistic point source in 1942. [:(]

[Captain Cruft]

Are you using stacking limits?

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: Captain Cruft

Are you using stacking limits?

No. It's vanilla Scenario 2, with the latest 'official' version patch.

[Cribtop]

Should be fun - good luck!

[Encircled]

Will enjoy reading this one

[Chickenboy]

Thanks, guys.

[sprior]

Nice to see caution blown to the wind. Still not convinced of the efficacy of the Manila port attack as those boats are virtually useless for the first 18 months anyway.

Good luck and I shall watch with interest.

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

Since you are playing Scenario 2, where are you planning on going with those extra troops once the SRA/DEI is conquered?? Inquiring minds want to know!! [;)]

Not entirely certain, ny59giants. I'm more prone to using them to an "early Java" landing than casting them upon the Indian subcontinent trying to capture that. I think that the entirety of Australia is probably bit too much to bite off too.

Uses under consideration:

1. Early Java.
2. NE Australia.
3. Fiji / Suva, New Caledonia / Noumea, Pago Pago
4. Ceylon.
5. NE India to encircle forward defenses against Burma.

Port Moresby is a priority. I want that in hand before February. The 4th ID is moving to Tokyo to board an amphibious TF for transport down there. KB (- Kaga) will support the landing.