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Italian organic artillery - 12/31/2013 3:01:35 PM   
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Currently in '43 and basically noticed that Italian divisions lose a chunk of their artillery, specifically the 100mm howitzers during the campaign due to production stopping at the end of '41. Now I know that this is not a game breaker but did they actually upgrade to something else, say the 105mm Howitzer?
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RE: Italian organic artillery - 1/3/2014 2:32:18 PM   
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Italy never had a lack of 100mm howitzers despite they didn't build any in II WW. It was a WW I era weapon. They got around 400 from captured guns from Poland, Czech and Yugoslav Kingdom and had about 1500 at war start. There wasn't an official upgrade in the chaotic last year for Italy in war, but in certain circumstances some guns/howitzers that were at Corps level started to reach more Division level since 1942: 149/19, 105/28 and 105/32 this was rare and mostly for an handful divisions.

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RE: Italian organic artillery - 1/3/2014 3:40:07 PM   
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Thanks for the clarification! Unfortunately in game terms, Italy does not start with a reserve of 100mm howitzers and they are removed rapidly if the divisions are forced to retreat. Maybe either a small reserve could be added to Italy before it starts its campaign or else that an option to have them substituted with 105mm howitzers (the nearest equivalent) could be added. Italian divisions are already weak as they are due to size and morale and they really need every weapons system available...

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RE: Italian organic artillery - 1/3/2014 4:08:15 PM   
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Best solution is to make it non-producible with a 1943 end date and some added to pool. So no problem with losing them to scrapping in early 43.

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RE: Italian organic artillery - 1/7/2014 3:39:26 PM   
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A correction, as can be gleaned by the tube length of 28 calibers the 105/28 http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/105/28 was not an howitzer, it was gun very different and heavier than 100/17 or 100/22. 149/19 was an howitzer was supposed to replace the 100/17 when Italians realized their divisional artillery was weaker than US and British and Germans . In general any artillery above /20 calibers was a Gun(cannone), between /10 and /20 an Howitzer(Obice) and below /10 a Mortar/Mortaio. The 100/22 were the version mostly used in East, in 43 there were 420 100/22 in service all of them captured howitzers.

The Italians name their artillery as calibre/length of tube in calibers an the calibre was always the true measure in centimeters- they also had a slight different way of measuring tube length so for example a Skoda gun of 150/45 in Italian army might be called 149/42. As an exception due to its origins 100/22 was considered an Howitzer.

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Škoda_10_cm_Vz._1914
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Škoda_10_cm_Vz._1916
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Škoda_10_cm_Vz._1914/1919

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/149/19_Mod._1937 This was a modern howitzer for the time and was good enough to be employed until 1974. From the text only 16 were build in 1941, in 30SET42 total was 147 and until 08SET43 230 were build.


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