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Mavis/Emily - 9/12/2013 6:59:31 PM   
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Is there no IJN patrol squadron that can upgrade to Mavis or Emily? Don't tell me, this game is busted and borked!?!
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RE: Mavis/Emily - 9/12/2013 7:11:50 PM   
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The game is busted.

Its borked as well.

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RE: Mavis/Emily - 9/12/2013 9:21:14 PM   
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Its working fine.. learn to play..

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RE: Mavis/Emily - 9/12/2013 9:24:49 PM   
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RE: Mavis/Emily - 9/12/2013 9:31:54 PM   
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Either you lost me or...I'll give a serious response:

PA and FP are distinct unit types. Sad to say. I would like the ability to upgrade a few of my "LBA" FP units to Mavis or Emily to get some more extreme range search going on, but...

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RE: Mavis/Emily - 9/12/2013 9:42:29 PM   
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It is based on the fact that Japan didn't build more than a few hundreds flying boats (215 H6K, 131 H8K) in total



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RE: Mavis/Emily - 9/12/2013 10:01:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury

It is based on the fact that Japan didn't build more than a few hundreds flying boats (215 H6K, 131 H8K) in total




Well...right, but we're allowed so much other leeway in diverging from what Japan actually produced that this leaves an Emily-sized hole in my heart .

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RE: Mavis/Emily - 9/12/2013 11:07:17 PM   
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And here most of the forumites complain of Betty and Nell hurting them.

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RE: Mavis/Emily - 9/12/2013 11:21:43 PM   
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There are plenty of groups for patrol. It's when you need the patrol planes for other things that it seems like a shortage. Most of the PA groups divide and can be used all over the map.

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RE: Mavis/Emily - 9/12/2013 11:51:12 PM   
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yes apparently it was considered more plausible to have a ridiculous R&D system,
be able to cancel ships to use their steel to build AC
or even construct outright fictional scenarios
than for the user to be able to organize one's squadron sizes as you want

saving up one's elite betty/nell/kate crews and putting them into Emily
may actually give the IJN a fighting chance... and a fighting chance based
on a purely historical setup would be too unrealistic




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RE: Mavis/Emily - 9/12/2013 11:56:25 PM   
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Dec 7 1941, 69 Mavis patrol versions + 11 Mavis transport

the 69 Mavis arranged into a torpedo fist




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RE: Mavis/Emily - 9/12/2013 11:57:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: obvert

There are plenty of groups for patrol. It's when you need the patrol planes for other things that it seems like a shortage. Most of the PA groups divide and can be used all over the map.


This is true.

But with their great capacity, the Emily in particular, it's so tempting to use them for Transport duties... which I know you've done, obvert. So Netties and Jakes have to plug the search/patrol hole, which is fine but not quite as great.

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RE: Mavis/Emily - 9/12/2013 11:59:45 PM   
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credit to: www.ijnafphotos.com

http://www.warbirdphotographs.com/NavyJB&W3/H6K-20.jpg




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RE: Mavis/Emily - 9/13/2013 12:32:08 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna


quote:

ORIGINAL: obvert

There are plenty of groups for patrol. It's when you need the patrol planes for other things that it seems like a shortage. Most of the PA groups divide and can be used all over the map.


This is true.

But with their great capacity, the Emily in particular, it's so tempting to use them for Transport duties... which I know you've done, obvert. So Netties and Jakes have to plug the search/patrol hole, which is fine but not quite as great.


H8K2 is a trap. Placed there to ruin any JFB with its lures. It has range, speed, guns, torpedoes, radars, max load... All the goodies. It does anything you want and does it well. So what if you have occasional operational casualty, one or two shot down by cap or flak and few downed by LRCAP over that convoy.

Before you know it, you have increased production first to 20, then 30, finally 50 planes/month and still need more to get your Emily fix.

Then it is 1944.... And you have used 800 H8K planes and realize; "Boy, I could have equipped entire fighter air army or built an aircraft carrier with those 115'000 HI points...."

I will resist... No more extra Emilies into production nor any -L transport models, not a one extra 4E built as Japanese and those that are produced are used just for primary mission and that only. Or perhaps just this one night raid deep behind enemy lines... Just this once...

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RE: Mavis/Emily - 9/13/2013 12:38:51 AM   
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actually it is worse.

Emily really consumed 3 times the materials of a Betty

same reason why G5N Liz was not built in large numbers.


you could build about 7 or 8 zeroes for the price of 1 Emily

BUT you could not build aircraft carriers from Emily materials and vice versa

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RE: Mavis/Emily - 9/13/2013 12:40:51 AM   
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main advantage of Emily is that no space is taken on the AF

a size 4 AF can be full with 200 zeroes, a formidable escort for the Emily fist

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RE: Mavis/Emily - 9/13/2013 12:42:36 AM   
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oops.

make that 11 zeroes for the price of 1 Emily.





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RE: Mavis/Emily - 9/13/2013 3:17:08 AM   
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Any amount of Betty or Zeros useless if Emily dont found enemy TF.
And Emily can operate from zero AF atoll.
Some RC groups can be converted into Patrol i think.

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RE: Mavis/Emily - 9/13/2013 3:54:34 AM   
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quote:

yes apparently it was considered more plausible to ... even construct outright fictional scenarios
than for the user to be able to organize one's squadron sizes as you want


Um, the same tools that can be used to construct fictional scenarios allow you to organize your squadron sizes as you want.


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RE: Mavis/Emily - 9/13/2013 3:56:02 AM   
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saying that Emily was excellent

expensive to build

still a good idea despite cost (maybe put elite crews into Emily, bad crews into betty/nell/kate/sally/other Japanese cannon fodder)

best system is to use Dinah-III model for search

Zero + Emily to torpedo

tho if Emily were to be used as a torpedoer..
better if the non-self sealing wing tanks were removed and it carried 4 torpedoes instead

more durable and massive torpedo firepower

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