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So... Counterbattery fire. - 6/2/2013 4:38:20 AM   
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I have noticed that the AI almost never uses it.

In a corps vs corps engagement, all my artillery groups can fire at enemy troops with impunity. Additionally, any enemy guns that need to be silenced have to be manually targeted.
As a result, I could neutralize enemy artillery while the enemy isn't shooting any my guns.

Also, some artillery groups are misidentified as other types of units despite that they are bombarding at that moment. Additionally, bombardment isn't displayed as task, so there are units that are bombarding that need to be clicked on to learn that they are bombarding instead of simply checking which unit is bombarding by displaying tasks.

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RE: So... Counterbattery fire. - 6/2/2013 10:21:10 PM   
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Interesting. I have tried it, but I can't see that it works.

In your experience, how effective is counterbattery fire? How long after the bombardment ends does the enemy unit recover?

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RE: So... Counterbattery fire. - 6/3/2013 1:51:29 AM   
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Hi,

I asked for counterbattery options way back in early COTA days.........it did make the wishlist along with a boatload of other ideas from the user community. But now, with lots of checkboxes extant for orders/tasks surely it couldn't be too hard to add a "counterbattery only" checkbox for non-dedicated on call arty units.

Every once in a while I'll notice the AI perform counterbattery missions -- but not often. Effectiveness varies - whether manual or AI targeted - but I have seen it neutralize an enemy arty unitfor 2 or more hours. Only underscores the need/value in being able to dedicate counterbattery missions in my view.

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RE: So... Counterbattery fire. - 6/3/2013 4:26:35 AM   
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OK consider a task option for CBF has now moved up the list for development.

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RE: So... Counterbattery fire. - 6/4/2013 1:38:34 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Arjuna

OK consider a task option for CBF has now moved up the list for development.


Thanks!!

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RE: So... Counterbattery fire. - 6/4/2013 7:19:55 AM   
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quote:

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OK consider a task option for CBF has now moved up the list for development.

Good to hear it. Will it also increase the amount of AI use of counter-battery fire?

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RE: So... Counterbattery fire. - 6/4/2013 5:00:02 PM   
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I have noticed that my mortar platoons receive a good deal of CBF from the AI. I believe this may be from them deploying so close to the lines, but that is how the formation AI places them.

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RE: So... Counterbattery fire. - 6/5/2013 7:08:43 AM   
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Basically the AI shoots at what it actually "sees" (depending on FOW level) or suspecting within its units line of sight. Next likely measurement is threat level and unit value, when it selects enemy units for Arty treatment. This is not true counter battery fire though, which normally involves techniques of enemy Arty reconnaisance by flash and sound, aireal observation/spotting, as well as appropiate AI decision making procedures if it makes sense at a given situation to use Arty assets for CBF or front line support ect. I guess this is what Arjuna aims at for future CO revisions.

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RE: So... Counterbattery fire. - 6/5/2013 7:11:16 AM   
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OK consider a task option for CBF has now moved up the list for development.


Good to hear and a challenging task for sure.

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RE: So... Counterbattery fire. - 6/5/2013 3:52:09 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: RockinHarry

Basically the AI shoots at what it actually "sees" (depending on FOW level) or suspecting within its units line of sight. Next likely measurement is threat level and unit value, when it selects enemy units for Arty treatment. This is not true counter battery fire though, which normally involves techniques of enemy Arty reconnaisance by flash and sound, aireal observation/spotting, as well as appropiate AI decision making procedures if it makes sense at a given situation to use Arty assets for CBF or front line support ect. I guess this is what Arjuna aims at for future CO revisions.

The main problem is that now the enemy AI and subordinate AI usually ignores located guns/bombarding units.

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