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Corsairs on CVs and Whatnot - 5/10/2013 2:25:09 AM   
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I'm just getting Carrier-Capable Corsairs in my game vs. Greyjoy. What is the conventional wisdom these days on honorable use? I understand they needed a larger deck to land, which precluded use on CVEs. Want to confirm.

Were they used on CVLs?

Is it kosher to use them on CVEs?
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RE: Corsairs on CVs and Whatnot - 5/10/2013 3:02:31 AM   
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There were CVEs at the end of the war that were 100% Marine. The fighters were F4U-1d.

Corsairs could take off from a CVE, though they usually took the whole deck. When loaded with bombs they would be launched with the catapult.

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RE: Corsairs on CVs and Whatnot - 5/10/2013 3:06:20 AM   
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I would say have at it. They also few from CVEs (using cat launches) during the Korean War.

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RE: Corsairs on CVs and Whatnot - 5/10/2013 5:23:17 AM   
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I would say that I have seen few objections to the use of any carrier capable plane from any carrier. It is not truly historic but it works for both sides. You can make a HR with your opponent but I would not bother.

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RE: Corsairs on CVs and Whatnot - 5/10/2013 6:32:41 AM   
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I would prioritize getting Corsairs on the CVs/CVLs first before starting to think about filling out the CVEs.

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RE: Corsairs on CVs and Whatnot - 5/10/2013 6:49:16 AM   
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Perfectly Kosher Brad, Imho.
History says they could fly from CVEs too. The fact that they did not till very late doesn't mean they coulnd't.
Let's not be too strict in terms of reproducing the same mistakes/choices they did in RL... It's not a game changer, not at all, so i'd say go for it!

For the very same reason i shouldn't be allowed to use Judys on CVE/CVLs... only Vals... but it would seem to me a little bit too much in terms of historic restrictions

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RE: Corsairs on CVs and Whatnot - 5/10/2013 7:26:31 AM   
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in my game (8/44), I'm using them on CVEs as point-defense CAP vs. kamis.

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RE: Corsairs on CVs and Whatnot - 5/10/2013 7:33:26 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

I'm just getting Carrier-Capable Corsairs in my game vs. Greyjoy. What is the conventional wisdom these days on honorable use? I understand they needed a larger deck to land, which precluded use on CVEs. Want to confirm.

Were they used on CVLs?

Is it kosher to use them on CVEs?



as others correctly pointed out already the carrier capable Corsair could and did fly from CVE so that shouldn't mind you. Though the question for me would be is it worth it and do I really need Corsairs on CVE? For me, the dozens of CVE are 99% used as CAP shield during my invasions means they will travel with the fleet to the target and then stay with the amphib TFs in the base hex the amphib convoys unload. So that means the fighters aboard the CVE will fight off incoming strikes and for that purpose the Hellcat works just as good. Saying this because as long as there are not as many Corsairs around to literally fill out each and every USN/USMC fighter squadron I'll use my Corsairs for my CV and for my land based USMC squadrons because those land based USMC squadrons are those that will fly offensive sweeps against the enemy and here you'll definately see a difference to Hellcats. On escort, again it doesn't matter much if you use a Hellcat or a Corsair, both will suffer against enemy Cap.





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RE: Corsairs on CVs and Whatnot - 5/10/2013 7:50:51 AM   
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BTW, here are some performance characteristics for the F4U, including take off run lengths

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/f4u/f4u.html

It could easily take off from a CVE if the CVE was turned into the wind.

This thread has a list of US fighters with take off runs in still air:

http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/topic/14998

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RE: Corsairs on CVs and Whatnot - 5/10/2013 1:26:47 PM   
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How many Corvairs can you operate off a CV?

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RE: Corsairs on CVs and Whatnot - 5/10/2013 1:44:27 PM   
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Many of you don't know that Brad's original nickname, before Q-Ball, was FM2 Fanboy.

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RE: Corsairs on CVs and Whatnot - 5/10/2013 1:52:34 PM   
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How many Corvairs can you operate off a CV?


I don't know about Corvairs, but the French tried the Citroen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zzdzZxgbsE

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RE: Corsairs on CVs and Whatnot - 5/10/2013 1:53:45 PM   
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How many Corvairs can you operate off a CV?



You can launch all the Corvairs you want (especially using the catapult). Recovering them is a bit of a problem though.

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RE: Corsairs on CVs and Whatnot - 5/10/2013 3:20:43 PM   
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Well actually Corvairs were the first choice of may naval top guns until Ralph Nader wrote that damn book. Personally, I just don't see getting the same adrenaline jolt being launched off the deck of a carrier in a Prius...That and of course the air bags in the Prius really make using the ejector seat hard.

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RE: Corsairs on CVs and Whatnot - 5/10/2013 4:12:49 PM   
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Here's what I'm talking about.





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RE: Corsairs on CVs and Whatnot - 5/10/2013 4:20:50 PM   
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quote:

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How many Corvairs can you operate off a CV?


I don't know about Corvairs, but the French tried the Citroen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zzdzZxgbsE

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You know citroen means "lemon" in French.

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RE: Corsairs on CVs and Whatnot - 5/10/2013 5:22:53 PM   
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I would say that I have seen few objections to the use of any carrier capable plane from any carrier. It is not truly historic but it works for both sides. You can make a HR with your opponent but I would not bother.


Yeah. This. Have fun, dude.

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RE: Corsairs on CVs and Whatnot - 5/10/2013 7:09:43 PM   
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Here are two of Chickenboy's designs.





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RE: Corsairs on CVs and Whatnot - 5/10/2013 7:32:54 PM   
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How many Corvairs can you operate off a CV?


I don't know about Corvairs, but the French tried the Citroen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zzdzZxgbsE

Bill


The French have just seemed to lack something, militarily speaking, since Napoleon. And he was technically Corsican.

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RE: Corsairs on CVs and Whatnot - 5/10/2013 11:38:09 PM   
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Well actually Corvairs were the first choice of may naval top guns until Ralph Nader wrote that damn book. Personally, I just don't see getting the same adrenaline jolt being launched off the deck of a carrier in a Prius...That and of course the air bags in the Prius really make using the ejector seat hard.


Not to mention the steering wheel.

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RE: Corsairs on CVs and Whatnot - 5/10/2013 11:50:44 PM   
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How many Corvairs can you operate off a CV?


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I don't know about Corvairs, but the French tried the Citroen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zzdzZxgbsE

Bill


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You know citroen means "lemon" in French.


Yes. Apt name for a car brand that has a reputation in the same ballpark as the Yugo or the Trabant.

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RE: Corsairs on CVs and Whatnot - 5/11/2013 8:12:55 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: wdolson

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How many Corvairs can you operate off a CV?


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I don't know about Corvairs, but the French tried the Citroen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zzdzZxgbsE

Bill


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ORIGINAL: geofflambert
You know citroen means "lemon" in French.


Yes. Apt name for a car brand that has a reputation in the same ballpark as the Yugo or the Trabant.

Bill

The guys on Top Gear shot a Stig & Jaguar off a CV!!!

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RE: Corsairs on CVs and Whatnot - 5/11/2013 8:16:09 PM   
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RE: Corsairs on CVs and Whatnot - 5/11/2013 11:46:01 PM   
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During Vietnam a Skyraider dropped a toilet on North Vietnam. They had a frame built so it could be attached to a shackle. Hasegawa did a special release kit with the commode bomb. The pilot said that plane bucked all over the place because the toilet was not aerodynamic.

Only a few pictures of it exist because the captain ordered all pictures destroyed when he learned about it.

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RE: Corsairs on CVs and Whatnot - 5/12/2013 10:11:16 AM   
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RE: Corsairs on CVs and Whatnot - 5/13/2013 9:35:49 PM   
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During Vietnam a Skyraider dropped a toilet on North Vietnam. They had a frame built so it could be attached to a shackle. Hasegawa did a special release kit with the commode bomb. The pilot said that plane bucked all over the place because the toilet was not aerodynamic.

Only a few pictures of it exist because the captain ordered all pictures destroyed when he learned about it.

Bill



I always loved the story of these guys. Apparently someone made the comment over drinks that the Skyraider could drop "everything but the kitchen sink".....so you just KNOW what would have to come next!...... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AD-4_VA-195_KitchenSinkBomb_Aug1952.jpg

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