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"What" is cruise speed? - 5/6/2013 3:08:44 PM   
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It saves fuel? It increases the survival of damaged ships. It's the default (it's slower, so why use it?) for CS convoys. The difference between mission and cruise speed perplexes me, could someone explain it :)? Could not find it in the manual right now at least with "cruise speed"..

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RE: "What" is cruise speed? - 5/6/2013 3:18:35 PM   
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It saves fuel? It increases the survival of damaged ships. It's the default (it's slower, so why use it?) for CS convoys. The difference between mission and cruise speed perplexes me, could someone explain it :)? Could not find it in the manual right now at least with "cruise speed"..


At the simplest, Cruise is the standard speed of the vessel. It never varies if it's set. The ship will sit there and be holed and sink before it changes speed. It's economical and it reduces transit damage in already damaged ships. It causes less wear & tear damage to accumulate from normal use in undamaged ships.

Mission is normally Cruise speed except the ship will acelerate if the situaiton calls for it (modified by the CO or TF CO stats, the TF mission, etc.) So it isn't as economical as Cruise. It accumulates more damage. It's more dangerous for ships with damage, especially float damage.

Full is flank speed. It's as fast as the ship can go, all the time. It's very uneconomical. It accumulates a lot of damage, especially engine damage. If you use Full in a TF with mixed-speed ships you really pay for it since the fast ships burn all the fuel but still go at the speed of the slowest. Full speed should be used very sparingly, for tactical reasons.

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RE: "What" is cruise speed? - 5/6/2013 3:20:33 PM   
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longer discussion here:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3285996&mpage=1&key=mission%2Cspeed�



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RE: "What" is cruise speed? - 5/6/2013 3:26:10 PM   
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Thanks for the quick answers !!

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RE: "What" is cruise speed? - 5/6/2013 3:35:44 PM   
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by the way, your picture... this was a real beheading... so, some people might get offended;



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RE: "What" is cruise speed? - 5/6/2013 3:46:21 PM   
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by the way, your picture... this was a real beheading... so, some people might get offended;




I almost said something but . . .

It was real.

We should remember history.

Avatars are very personal.

OTOH, I don't particularly like to look at this photo.

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RE: "What" is cruise speed? - 5/6/2013 3:48:14 PM   
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People die in wars. I'm sure I'm not the only one with a profile picture with a person planning to kill someone..

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by the way, your picture... this was a real beheading... so, some people might get offended;





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RE: "What" is cruise speed? - 5/6/2013 3:50:24 PM   
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by the way, your picture... this was a real beheading... so, some people might get offended;




I almost said something but . . .

It was real.

We should remember history.

Avatars are very personal.

OTOH, I don't particularly like to look at this photo.


Maybe it's offensive. It was not my purpose. What if someone had the picture of Enola Gay as his profile picture? A plane planning to kill HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of CIVILIANS. Or any of city bombing planes.


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RE: "What" is cruise speed? - 5/6/2013 3:54:43 PM   
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longer discussion here:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3285996&mpage=1&key=mission%2Cspeed�




The discussions says at one point, that cruise speed is the default speed of a TF even though it is set on mission speed (if there are no alarming reasons to raise the speed). Why use cruise speed for example for the CS convoys and why is it the default?

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RE: "What" is cruise speed? - 5/6/2013 4:01:54 PM   
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that is a good question, I don't know

for "cargo" TF it is really not so much a difference, going from 12KTS to 14KTS/ 15KTS for example won't make a huge difference (in both scenarios you are toast!)... for a surface task force in the other hand, it can have a huge impact,

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RE: "What" is cruise speed? - 5/6/2013 4:08:03 PM   
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that is a good question, I don't know

for "cargo" TF it is really not so much a difference, going from 12KTS to 14KTS/ 15KTS for example won't make a huge difference (in both scenarios you are toast!)... for a surface task force in the other hand, it can have a huge impact,


True. But when playing Japan, it really CAN matter. You really need to get resources and fuel as much in as possible in a short time as possible.

Maybe I'll continue using mission speed. The TF's repair themselves during loading/unloading anyways :)..

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RE: "What" is cruise speed? - 5/6/2013 5:30:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sieppo


quote:

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that is a good question, I don't know

for "cargo" TF it is really not so much a difference, going from 12KTS to 14KTS/ 15KTS for example won't make a huge difference (in both scenarios you are toast!)... for a surface task force in the other hand, it can have a huge impact,


True. But when playing Japan, it really CAN matter. You really need to get resources and fuel as much in as possible in a short time as possible.

Maybe I'll continue using mission speed. The TF's repair themselves during loading/unloading anyways :)..


Sometimes CS convoys set to mission speed might speed up for some reason...like a sub sighting, and allegedly an aircraft sighting. This will burn up more fuel than just being on cruise speed all the time.

I like to use cruise speed simply because it keeps the transit times identical every trip and eliminates that variable from convoy planning.

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RE: "What" is cruise speed? - 5/6/2013 10:52:40 PM   
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quote:

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People die in wars. I'm sure I'm not the only one with a profile picture with a person planning to kill someone..

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by the way, your picture... this was a real beheading... so, some people might get offended;






And people are murdered in war crimes. That doesn't mean we celebrate the murderer. As I recall the victim was an young Australian officer who fought nobly and was illegally executed just to cower the other POW's. I'm not even Australian and I find the glorification of his murderer offensive.

While we are at it, I find the linkage to Horoshima to be childish, intellectually lazy and reflexively anti-American. other than that is a GREAT avatar.

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RE: "What" is cruise speed? - 5/6/2013 11:16:02 PM   
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I don't want to pile on, but I find the avatar in question to be in poor taste and disturbing. The Op certainly has the right to display it, but I'll simply green button to avoid having to look at it and consequently any further questions will go unread/unanswered by me.

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RE: "What" is cruise speed? - 5/6/2013 11:29:22 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sieppo


quote:

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

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by the way, your picture... this was a real beheading... so, some people might get offended;




I almost said something but . . .

It was real.

We should remember history.

Avatars are very personal.

OTOH, I don't particularly like to look at this photo.


Maybe it's offensive. It was not my purpose. What if someone had the picture of Enola Gay as his profile picture? A plane planning to kill HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of CIVILIANS. Or any of city bombing planes.



Well, the photo is of a war crime about to be commited.

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RE: "What" is cruise speed? - 5/7/2013 12:46:00 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sieppo

People die in wars. I'm sure I'm not the only one with a profile picture with a person planning to kill someone..

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ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury

by the way, your picture... this was a real beheading... so, some people might get offended;






And people are murdered in war crimes. That doesn't mean we celebrate the murderer. As I recall the victim was an young Australian officer who fought nobly and was illegally executed just to cower the other POW's. I'm not even Australian and I find the glorification of his murderer offensive.

While we are at it, I find the linkage to Horoshima to be childish, intellectually lazy and reflexively anti-American. other than that is a GREAT avatar.



I find it childish, intellectually lazy and extremely hypocritical not being able to link bombing, burning and so killing hundreds of thousands of civilian to these same war crimes. Not to add for example execution of helpless swimming sailors in the water, that were basically prisoners at that point. Same anger and aggression in action. And then celebrating the people and machinery that did this (who of course would not be trialed, because winners of war). But I do understand that there are a lot of Americans here and I guess people just don't work that way. And that Japan did a lot of terrible things that were not necessary, for example start the war :P. But not here to make any enemies, I'll consider removing the avatar.

Edit: useful link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Military_Tribunal_for_the_Far_East#Criticism

"Justice Radhabinod Pal argued that the exclusion of Western colonialism and the use of the atom bomb by the United States from the list of crimes and the lack of judges from the vanquished nations on the bench signified the "failure of the Tribunal to provide anything other than the opportunity for the victors to retaliate." [19] In this he was not alone among Indian jurists, with one prominent Calcutta barrister writing that the Tribunal was little more than "a sword in a [judge's] wig".
Justice B. V. A. Röling stated, "[o]f course, in Japan we were all aware of the bombings and the burnings of Tokyo and Yokohama and other big cities. It was horrible that we went there for the purpose of vindicating the laws of war, and yet saw every day how the Allies had violated them dreadfully"."

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RE: "What" is cruise speed? - 5/7/2013 1:26:06 AM   
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One has to wonder how the good Indian justice would have felt were the 'gentle' ministrations of a conquering Imperial Japanese Army to have been employed on the Indian subcontinent.

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RE: "What" is cruise speed? - 5/7/2013 2:06:50 AM   
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Of course the procedings involved some theater. The whole purpose was to give some sense of closure and sense of justice to the hundreds of millions of vitims of Japanese aggression and to chasten the Japanese so it didn't happen again.

The procedings were a damn site more civilized than the Bataan Death march.

Thank you for changing the avatar Sieppo. Everyone can get behind Asahi.


Even so, I think your anti-American skirt was showing in post #16 Showing a picture of a B-29, as you suggest, is not really the same thing. Have a nice day.

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RE: "What" is cruise speed? - 5/7/2013 6:46:36 AM   
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I thought the avatar was beneficial as a reminder of how brutal the axis were during the war. I think pictures of allied atrocities would be equally beneficial as a reminder that our values today are vastly different and that looking to the past at either side (with an attempt at neutrality) shows how horrible the war was, on and by both sides. Beneficial in that it shows the unvarnished reality of wwii without any sugarcoating.

As long as a forumite doesn't glorify and make light of the horror I see no problem with pictures of that sort.

Though I suppose that the argument can be made that we're just here to play a game and don't want our noses rubbed in too much ugly reality.

Then again it's probably good every once in a while to be smacked out of our gaming zone and be reminded that this was real, with real people and real death.

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RE: "What" is cruise speed? - 5/7/2013 8:14:38 AM   
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I thought the avatar was beneficial as a reminder of how brutal the axis were during the war. I think pictures of allied atrocities would be equally beneficial as a reminder that our values today are vastly different and that looking to the past at either side (with an attempt at neutrality) shows how horrible the war was, on and by both sides. Beneficial in that it shows the unvarnished reality of wwii without any sugarcoating.

As long as a forumite doesn't glorify and make light of the horror I see no problem with pictures of that sort.

Though I suppose that the argument can be made that we're just here to play a game and don't want our noses rubbed in too much ugly reality.

Then again it's probably good every once in a while to be smacked out of our gaming zone and be reminded that this was real, with real people and real death.


Very nice comments :)

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RE: "What" is cruise speed? - 5/7/2013 8:19:46 AM   
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Of course the procedings involved some theater. The whole purpose was to give some sense of closure and sense of justice to the hundreds of millions of vitims of Japanese aggression and to chasten the Japanese so it didn't happen again.

The procedings were a damn site more civilized than the Bataan Death march.

Thank you for changing the avatar Sieppo. Everyone can get behind Asahi.


Even so, I think your anti-American skirt was showing in post #16 Showing a picture of a B-29, as you suggest, is not really the same thing. Have a nice day.


I'm not anti-anything in a generalizing way, it's too easy and rarely has a basis. I'm anti-hypocrisy and anti-stupidity. Saying that someone is anti-American based on these comments is a bit like saying that someone is antisemitic based on his/her criticism on the actions of Israel with the Palestinians. So if it sounded anti-American, I apologize.

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RE: "What" is cruise speed? - 5/7/2013 10:11:59 AM   
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I prefer Kirin...


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RE: "What" is cruise speed? - 5/7/2013 3:36:48 PM   
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Of course the procedings involved some theater. The whole purpose was to give some sense of closure and sense of justice to the hundreds of millions of vitims of Japanese aggression and to chasten the Japanese so it didn't happen again.

The procedings were a damn site more civilized than the Bataan Death march.

Thank you for changing the avatar Sieppo. Everyone can get behind Asahi.


Even so, I think your anti-American skirt was showing in post #16 Showing a picture of a B-29, as you suggest, is not really the same thing. Have a nice day.


I'm not anti-anything in a generalizing way, it's too easy and rarely has a basis. I'm anti-hypocrisy and anti-stupidity. Saying that someone is anti-American based on these comments is a bit like saying that someone is antisemitic based on his/her criticism on the actions of Israel with the Palestinians. So if it sounded anti-American, I apologize.


Understood, and thank you. Here is the deal. I would say that quite a few Americans on this board do not see the use of nukes as a war crime. Given the shocking number of American and Japanese civilian casualties on Okinawa, there is no President of the US (even if his mom were Finnish) that would order an inavasion of Kyushu with the likely cost of 100-200K American lives when there was a weapon to end it months earlier. That is not to mention all the Brits and Indians that mght have been killed in Malasia or the Australians in the DEI or the Chinese or the Allied POW's who were suffering terribly.

It was no war crime. It was a pragmatic imperative to end a war that unleashed some of the most beastial behavior in the history of man. There are probably a few here that would not exist (because their grandfathers or fathers might have been killed) had the war continued for another 6-18 monhts.

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RE: "What" is cruise speed? - 5/7/2013 3:46:41 PM   
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Of course the procedings involved some theater. The whole purpose was to give some sense of closure and sense of justice to the hundreds of millions of vitims of Japanese aggression and to chasten the Japanese so it didn't happen again.

The procedings were a damn site more civilized than the Bataan Death march.

Thank you for changing the avatar Sieppo. Everyone can get behind Asahi.


Even so, I think your anti-American skirt was showing in post #16 Showing a picture of a B-29, as you suggest, is not really the same thing. Have a nice day.


I'm not anti-anything in a generalizing way, it's too easy and rarely has a basis. I'm anti-hypocrisy and anti-stupidity. Saying that someone is anti-American based on these comments is a bit like saying that someone is antisemitic based on his/her criticism on the actions of Israel with the Palestinians. So if it sounded anti-American, I apologize.


Understood, and thank you. Here is the deal. I would say that quite a few Americans on this board do not see the use of nukes as a war crime. Given the shocking number of American and Japanese civilian casualties on Okinawa, there is no President of the US (even if his mom were Finnish) that would order an inavasion of Kyushu with the likely cost of 100-200K American lives when there was a weapon to end it months earlier. That is not to mention all the Brits and Indians that mght have been killed in Malasia or the Australians in the DEI or the Chinese or the Allied POW's who were suffering terribly.

It was no war crime. It was a pragmatic imperative to end a war that unleashed some of the most beastial behavior in the history of man. There are probably a few here that would not exist (because their grandfathers or fathers might have been killed) had the war continued for another 6-18 monhts.

By ra way, I like Kirin better too.


Thanks for your mature answer :).

Understood also. War makes people do awful things and then,if you are happy to be a young man, you most probably die because some other people (mostly elderly gentlemen that most probably will not participate in the hostilities) have decided, that diplomacy is not enough anymore.

I've done my obligatory year of military service and I sure as hell hope, I NEVER have to put it in practice. I do not feel, that I owe my life to the state in addition to taxes and that military service etcetc.

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