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RE: Humble Request - 5/6/2013 11:48:34 AM   
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oh, the free lunch myth;

and by no other than Milton Friedman himself!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmqoCHR14n8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FCuWrxPg3o

and WitP-AE is one of the few games that follows this principle; there is no free economical expansion, true you can wildly increase factories and HI production from day one; but very soon the realities of oil and resource production will catch on

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RE: Humble Request - 5/6/2013 12:57:22 PM   
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oh, the free lunch myth;

and by no other than Milton Friedman himself!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmqoCHR14n8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FCuWrxPg3o



As an historian Milton was a heckuva economist. It might be ironic that the origin of the term, of which I gave one version, is completely free market in nature, has nothing to do with government or governemnt services, and also has nothing to do with either video you posted.

Or, ironic might be too kind.

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RE: Humble Request - 5/6/2013 2:06:37 PM   
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The original phrase is probably very old, and I bet there is some form of idiomatic variation in every language. It also comes to the fact that in the english language, one word; "free" means two concepts.
Spanish for example, we have 2 specific words: "gratis" = for "without a cost" and "libre" = for "having freedom"

Liberal economists have been using it, quite successfully, to explain that these 2 concepts are different; and to warn that for the left economist, free means "let someone else pay for it"



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RE: Humble Request - 5/6/2013 3:42:27 PM   
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The original phrase is probably very old, and I bet there is some form of idiomatic variation in every language. It also comes to the fact that in the english language, one word; "free" means two concepts.
Spanish for example, we have 2 specific words: "gratis" = for "without a cost" and "libre" = for "having freedom"

Liberal economists have been using it, quite successfully, to explain that these 2 concepts are different; and to warn that for the left economist, free means "let someone else pay for it"




Bringing Milton F. into this thread is what I would characterize as a political statement, which those of a conservative bent get away with, as here, but I get called down for challenging. So I won't. If you are not American you may be unaware of Mr.F's standing in the politico-economic wars of recent decades. So I'll let that lie there.

In English "free" has many, many definitions, as do lots of words. (As an aside, I have been told by ESL teachers that "point" has the most dictionary definitions of any common English word. It is often used by them as an example for students learning English of "this is as bad as it gets.")

In English we use "gratis." We use "liberty."

Also "free." "Costless." "Independant." "Autonomous." "Emancipated." "Unsupervised." "Democratic." "Unburdened." And dozens more synonyms with slightly different flavors and usage occasions.

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RE: Humble Request - 5/6/2013 3:58:06 PM   
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I agree this is not the place for a political debate... lets go back to WW2

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RE: Humble Request - 5/6/2013 4:00:06 PM   
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The original phrase is probably very old, and I bet there is some form of idiomatic variation in every language. It also comes to the fact that in the english language, one word; "free" means two concepts.
Spanish for example, we have 2 specific words: "gratis" = for "without a cost" and "libre" = for "having freedom"

Liberal economists have been using it, quite successfully, to explain that these 2 concepts are different; and to warn that for the left economist, free means "let someone else pay for it"




Besides this contradicting itself (I think you meant economists that like to refer to themselves as "free market economists"?), I'm not sure what it has to do with costly amphibious landings.

Maybe this is a good time to add OT to the list .

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RE: Humble Request - 5/6/2013 6:23:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58


quote:

ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury

oh, the free lunch myth;

and by no other than Milton Friedman himself!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmqoCHR14n8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FCuWrxPg3o



As an historian Milton was a heckuva economist. It might be ironic that the origin of the term, of which I gave one version, is completely free market in nature, has nothing to do with government or governemnt services, and also has nothing to do with either video you posted.

Or, ironic might be too kind.

Freedman did prove that it applied to government. I think Heinlein was older, but either way I don't know the actual origin of the aphorism.

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RE: Humble Request - 5/6/2013 11:17:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: witpqs

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58


quote:

ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury

oh, the free lunch myth;

and by no other than Milton Friedman himself!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmqoCHR14n8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FCuWrxPg3o



As an historian Milton was a heckuva economist. It might be ironic that the origin of the term, of which I gave one version, is completely free market in nature, has nothing to do with government or governemnt services, and also has nothing to do with either video you posted.

Or, ironic might be too kind.

Freedman did prove that it applied to government. I think Heinlein was older, but either way I don't know the actual origin of the aphorism.


I Wikied it and there is apparently a reference by Kipling from 1891 where he speaks of saloons doing the salty "free" lunch and up-priced drinks. I've been told in PM that Ayn Rand also used it a lot and the Aussie press picked it up from her, especially in the 1970s. Friedman wrote a book in that decade with it in the title.

And then there's Heinlein.

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RE: Humble Request - 5/7/2013 2:51:16 PM   
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GOMER. A term used by medical staff for Get Outta My Emergency Room. Initially coined to define hypochondriacs wasting staff time in an Emergency Room(ER), it expanded to apply to anyone idiotically standing around, an uninformed individual making pointless suggestions, or a buffoon in the way of someone else trying to get something done.

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RE: Humble Request - 5/7/2013 3:26:17 PM   
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"dive for the deck": can someone elaborate what this means? I know it involves a pilot diving very low to avoid a fight... but I would be interested in the details... how can you avoid a dogfight just by going low?

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RE: Humble Request - 5/7/2013 10:10:08 PM   
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"dive for the deck": can someone elaborate what this means? I know it involves a pilot diving very low to avoid a fight... but I would be interested in the details... how can you avoid a dogfight just by going low?


Because any lower is trees, then dirt. The prop union voted never to go there. The wings union seconded.

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RE: Humble Request - 5/7/2013 10:51:04 PM   
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Because any lower is trees, then dirt. The prop union voted never to go there. The wings union seconded.


ah: the ratio of takeoffs/landings is reccomended to be 1/1.

a good landing you can walk away from.
a really good landing you can use the plane again.

in pilot training an altitude will often be called a deck or hard deck. going lower you have left the exercise. IE: " for this exercise the deck is 5000 feet.

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RE: Humble Request - 5/7/2013 11:33:01 PM   
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LYB = lovely yummy bunny?

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RE: Humble Request - 5/13/2013 6:32:48 AM   
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It's been a while, but I assembled everything together into one post. I changed the wording on some entries to eliminate the snarky comments. Out of context some of these comments might be taken the wrong way by newbies to the forum.

I broke these up into categories.

WitP AE Forum Glossary of Terms

Strategies

Sir Robin - Early war Allied strategy involving various degrees of fleeing from Japanese advances instead of fighting back, with the goal of minimizing losses and husbanding strength for a later counter attack. (From Monty Python's "Holy Grail", "Brave, brave sir Robin, he bravely ran away!!" as sung by Sir Robin's minstrels, before they eventually ate Sir Robin's minstrels.)

Ablative armor - The use of obsolete airframes as escorts to draw fire on themselves, thereby shielding the bombers they are escorting from attack. Occasionally used by Japan as a late war tactic.

Mersing gambit - An early landing by Japan at Mersing close to the southern tip of the Malayan peninsula. The aim is to cut off the retreat of the Commonwealth forces to Singapore. The location is excellent as there is a major road connecting the west to the east coast, but the attack can be costly because of the proximity to Singapore, even more when standing up against an intact Force Z, and even more against an alert Allied opponent preparing for such a move.


Player Slang

AFB - Allied Fan Boy (also spelled Fanboi). The term fanboi is an old internet slang for someone who champions one side or the other in a game, often to extremes. In this case, AFB refers to someone who only plays the Allied side and is a vocal advocate for everything Allied. When the game doesn't go their way, an AFB may complain that the game is rigged against the Allies.

JFB - Japanese Fan Boy (also spelled Fanboi). The term fanboi is an old internet slang for someone who champions one side or the other in a game, often to extremes. This term is used in a similar manner as AFB, except it is used for someone who champions everything Japanese in the game.

FOW - Fog of War. Referring to situations, where the game won't always give you a complete or accurate view of combat, enemy troop composition, sunk ships, spotting, etc.


Unit or Game Related Slang

DEI - Dutch East Indies. The territory held by the Dutch at the beginning of the game. Java, Celebes, Sumatra, much of Borneo, etc. Rich in resources and oil. Also referred to as the SRA.

SRA - Southern Resource Area. Area encompassing mostly the Dutch East Indies, rich in both oil and resources. More or less the same as the DEI when referred to in game.

HI - Home Islands. The Japanese main islands of Honshu, Kyushu, Shikoku, and Hokkaido (plus a couple of other tiny ones.) Can also mean Heavy Industry (see Game Terms). Because of the multiple meaning of the term, many forum members avoid this abbreviation unless it is easily explained in context.

HI - Hawaiian Islands. Can also mean Heavy industry (see Game Terms.) Because of the multiple meaning of the term, many forum members avoid this abbreviation unless it is easily explained in context.

GC - Can mean one of the Grand Campaign scenarios, or the Guadalcanal Scenario.

PI - Philippine Islands. Luzon and Mindanao are the main islands, but the term refers to the entire archipelago.

LBA - Land-based aircraft. Planes flying from a base versus from a carrier.

KB - 1. Kido Butai. Japanese carriers, operating all together in one large task force. Early war, you'll see many references to staying away from the KB, or making sure as the Allies you know where the KB is, or "my LBA refused to attack the KB!! "
2. Kota Bharu, usually one of the first Allied bases invaded in the war, located at the top of the Malay peninsula.

Mini-KB - Kido Buttai's little sister, a combination of Japanese CVEs/ CVLs into a carrier TF

OOB - Order of Battle. A list of the forces one side has (or will receive) for any given scenario.

LCU - Land combat unit. Divisions, regiments, brigades, etc.

CBI - China, Burma, India theater.

PH - Pearl Harbor.

SF - San Francisco.

Oz - Australia.

WC - West Coast (of North America.)

EC - East Coast (of North America.)

HK - Hong Kong.

Singers - Singapore.

CT - Capetown.

IO - Indian Ocean.

HR - House Rule(s). Any agreement between players in a PBEM (play by email) to amend or change rules, generally intended to prohibit certain tactics which game mechanics may allow, but which both players feel are not beneficial to the type of game they wish to play. Often used to try to make campaigns play out closer to "historical" results.

Gamey - Anything that takes advantages of flaws in the game engine to do things that are unrealistic. The development team did everything possible to close loopholes, but there are always limits to the realism in any game engine.

Sandbox - A test scenario, where conditions are set and then run multiple times to help determine what effect certain variables in the game actually do. Often used as a verb, as in "I sandboxed a CV battle in late 42 where the Allies had limited help from LBA."

AAR - After Action Report - A series of posts from a player describing the progress of their game. Many players read these to learn new strategies from other players.

Beta - Updated program and/or official scenarios that are available for players to use on a test basis, but are not officially released by Matrix yet.

Magic move - Japanese first turn movement bonus. A "free" 36 hex pregame move by any "*" pre-loaded IJN units w/o spending any fuel. This is done to replicate the simultaneous surprise attacks on Dec 7th

Battlewagons - Battleships

Fortress Palembang - Early Allied defensive strategy that involves reinforcing Palembang to make it as hard as possible to capture.

RTB - Return to base

Force Z - A CW combat group center around BB PoW (Prince of Wales) and BC Repulse sent to Singapore as a deterrent to Japanese aggression. Both major combatants sunk by Japanese air attacks on Dec 10th ´41.

3rd Party Scenarios (Unofficial)

DaBabes - A set of unofficial scenarios created by some of the developers of AE. These scenarios add units and take advantage of some features that the official scenarios don’t have. There are several different versions of DaBabe scenarios.

DBB - Da Big Babes. These are a set of DaBabes scenarios with lots of extra units.

DBL - DaBabes Light - these are the smaller DaBabes scenarios.

RA - Reluctant Admiral. Another well known mod for WitPAE.

Game Terms (things you will actually see within the game)

TF - If you don't know this abbreviation, you probably need to RTFM . (If you really don't know this one, it stands for Task Force - a collection of ships grouped together for a single purpose. Also, if you didn't know this one, the manual really is a must-read before being able to make any kind of sense out of the game.)

HI - Heavy Industry. Production points generated by Japan, and used to build aircraft, engines, ships, tanks, etc. Can also mean Home Islands or Hawaiian Islands (see Game Related Slang). Because of the multiple meaning of the term, many forum members avoid this abbreviation unless it is easily explained in context.

ASW - Anti-Submarine warfare, or referring to assets (either naval or air) involved in anti-sub activity.

SCTF - Surface Combat Task Force. A group of ships put together to engage enemy ships, or to screen friendly ships in a separate task force. (also frequently referred to as a SAG.)

SIGINT - Signals Intelligence. Radio intercepts, code-breaking, etc. which may give you some information about what your opponent is up to. In game, this information is located on the Intelligence Report.

DL - Detection level. How visible (or not) either your forces, or your enemies forces are (often influencing the likelihood and accuracy of attacks.)

VP - Victory Points. Points which measure each players relative success, and which determine the levels of victory and defeat in scenarios and campaign games. Note: You can't "spend" victory points on anything, you only gain or lose them over the course of the game before an outcome is determined.

PP - Political Points. Points given out every turn which can be "spent" by making discretionary decisions in game, such as changing out inferior leaders for better ones, changing the HQ affiliation of some units to allow them to freely travel to other theaters, changing aircraft types in a given squadron, etc.

AF - Air Field. Usually referring to the size of an airfield at a given base, as in "Manila just hit AF4".

SR - Service rating. A reliability rating given to each type of plane, from 1 to 5, with 1 indicating the aircraft is very reliable and 5 indicating that the plane type has serious and frequent maintenance needs. Greatly impacts how many planes in a given group will be ready fly if they've been recently been used.

Restricted - Refers to the freedom of mobility (or really the lack thereof) for both LCUs and air groups. Unrestricted groups can travel or transfer to and from any base you own. Restricted units are limited to the theater they start in (West Coast, Home Defense(Japan), China, etc.) unless a player spends PPs (see above) to free these units up. Note that there are some cases where units cannot be freed up by any means - these would be referred to as Permanently Restricted.

ABDA - the short lived (early 1942) American-British-Dutch-Australian supreme command for all Allied forces in South East Asia

Other Terms

RTFM - Read the ******* Manual. Usually said in jest.

TANSTAAFL - There ain't no such thing as a free landing. Paraphrased from Robert Heinlein's _The Moon is a Harsh Mistress_ where the L stood for "Lunch".

OT - Off topic. A thread not immediately related to the game, though usually related to the period.






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RE: Humble Request - 5/13/2013 7:13:10 AM   
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Looks good (and appears to have been wisely edited)
Small correction - for Magic Move, the bonus isn't 36 hexes as stated above, it's a 20X movement bonus applied to the single movement phase conducted on the first turn. It applies to all TF that start with * in their name, but also to a couple of other TF that don't have the *.

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RE: Humble Request - 5/13/2013 1:30:35 PM   
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KB is not really all Japanese carriers operating together, it's a "striking force" of some carriers operating together. Can vary in size and power. Many players (but by no means all players) use it to mean all or almost all Japanese carriers operating together.

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RE: Humble Request - 6/24/2014 1:01:05 PM   
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To the mods - there was some talk of this being stickied.

Some more (from a new thread that wound up pointing to this one):

AFAIK - As Far As I know
IIRC - If I Recall Correctly

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RE: Humble Request - 6/26/2014 2:01:41 AM   
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Just my .02.

FWIW For what its worth (pun intended).
IOW In other words.
YMMV Your mileage may vary.
NRA Northern reasource area. The area of Hokkaido/Sakhalin Islands, materials aren't automatically shipped from either.
WAD Working as designed.
BTW By the way.
TBH To be honest.
RTB Return to base.

Hope I didn't repeat any from above. There are others I've seen that I can't figure out yet. Hope this helps, especially some of our foreign forumites ( that includes the Gorn ).

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RE: Humble Request - 6/27/2014 5:15:34 AM   
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Death Star the practice of operating most if not all of one sides aircraft carriers in a single hex or adjacent hexes. Usually the Japan player in 1942 and the Allied player in later years

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RE: Humble Request - 6/27/2014 7:55:03 AM   
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GOMER. A term used by medical staff for Get Outta My Emergency Room. Initially coined to define hypochondriacs wasting staff time in an Emergency Room(ER), it expanded to apply to anyone idiotically standing around, an uninformed individual making pointless suggestions, or a buffoon in the way of someone else trying to get something done.

The proper medical procedure for a GOMER is a SKIP....Swift Kick in Pants. This is an improvement on the SUH or Slap Upside Head. Only known side effects of these procedures is soreness in the appendage that the medical staff uses.

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RE: Humble Request - 8/22/2014 11:21:20 AM   
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RE: Humble Request - 8/22/2014 11:54:50 AM   
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NM spotted some one had added it already

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RE: Humble Request - 8/22/2014 12:15:32 PM   
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Thanks for the reminder. I made the sticky. Though I can't get the formatting to work for some reason.

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