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RE: The Trauma of '42: Crackaces (Allies) vs. njp72 (IJ) - 7/23/2013 9:42:04 AM   
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Crackaces,

You might want to check if Bombay is still producing supply off its accumulated/imported feedstocks. In one of the betas michaelm removed the capacity for secondary industry to produce when the hex is occupied by the enemy. That tweek has been reversed in a more recent beta and the prior state has been restored.

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RE: The Trauma of '42: Crackaces (Allies) vs. njp72 (IJ) - 7/23/2013 11:47:03 AM   
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Crackaces,

You might want to check if Bombay is still producing supply off its accumulated/imported feedstocks. In one of the betas michaelm removed the capacity for secondary industry to produce when the hex is occupied by the enemy. That tweek has been reversed in a more recent beta and the prior state has been restored.

Alfred


in my DBB game (very latest beta), Bombay when sieged was producing supplies, but ONLY by LI, having HI, Res and every other industry shut down by the enemy presence in the hex.

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RE: The Trauma of '42: Crackaces (Allies) vs. njp72 (IJ) - 7/23/2013 2:07:32 PM   
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If the KB is closing the sealanes to India, and if all those divisions are involved in India, what about sending a massive reinforcement convoy to something like...Timor? You should be able to get there in time...


I do have something in mind I have been moving BF's to PH and out to outlying areas to set up patrol zones. My biggest concern about a large operation is that I will draw in BB TF's without proper support. So I am using the headroom to establish an MLR with interlocking patrol zones ..

quote:

Crackaces,

You might want to check if Bombay is still producing supply off its accumulated/imported feedstocks. In one of the betas michaelm removed the capacity for secondary industry to produce when the hex is occupied by the enemy. That tweek has been reversed in a more recent beta and the prior state has been restored.

Alfred


Bombay has stopped producing supply, but only because the resources are cut off ...

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RE: The Trauma of '42: Crackaces (Allies) vs. njp72 (IJ) - 7/24/2013 6:02:08 PM   
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There is one frustrating thing about an Invasion of India. Withdrawals. Very soon key units occupying Bombay will withdraw handing over Bombay to the IJ. Without sparking controversy amongst the religious powers to be in this forum .. I do believe the continued withdrawal of forces once the border has been violated, and a fixed known LOD provides too much impetus for the IJ to conduct an India invasion.... a little bit of unknown would add some drama to this game ...

As far as the game goes .. the IJ invaded Darwin and now have another IJ group stuck in a contest ..what the IJ do not know is that reserve forces are ready to move in .. if this goes past two weeks of so ...NOTE the supply(-) on the battle of the 9th ... this will take some time to drop off supplies ...


March 8th
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Ground combat at Darwin (76,124)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 11899 troops, 68 guns, 42 vehicles, Assault Value = 471

Defending force 9088 troops, 85 guns, 50 vehicles, Assault Value = 159

Japanese adjusted assault: 107

Allied adjusted defense: 345

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 3 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
521 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 55 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Allied ground losses:
216 casualties reported
Squads: 11 destroyed, 13 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled

Assaulting units:
65th Brigade
4th Ind.Mixed Regiment
II./4th Infantry Battalion
I./4th Infantry Battalion
16th Recon Regiment
2nd Engineer Regiment

Defending units:
2/2nd Ind Coy
Sparrow Battalion
19th Australian Battalion
............


March 9th:
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Ground combat at Darwin (76,124)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 15496 troops, 85 guns, 42 vehicles, Assault Value = 432

Defending force 8790 troops, 85 guns, 50 vehicles, Assault Value = 139

Japanese adjusted assault: 106

Allied adjusted defense: 154

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker: supply(-)

Japanese ground losses:
838 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 81 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 7 (1 destroyed, 6 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
852 casualties reported
Squads: 11 destroyed, 85 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Guns lost 7 (1 destroyed, 6 disabled)

Assaulting units:
I./4th Infantry Battalion
4th Ind.Mixed Regiment
II./4th Infantry Battalion
16th Recon Regiment
65th Brigade
2nd Engineer Regiment

Defending units:
19th Australian Battalion
Sparrow Battalion
Gull Battalion
Emery Point Fortress
Darwin RAAF Base Force
2nd RAN Base Force
2/2nd Ind Coy
1st RAAF Supt Wing
Northern Territory
A/B Battery Heavy Coastal Artillery Regiment


< Message edited by Crackaces -- 7/24/2013 6:03:26 PM >


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RE: The Trauma of '42: Crackaces (Allies) vs. njp72 (IJ) - 7/27/2013 12:06:16 AM   
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AFB Support Group on deck sir!

I am in a CG2 myself and between IJ grabbing the whole map and me trying to save a couple of measly political points to counter it, find myself having quite a few WTF moments gazing at all the little red base dots. I have no idea how Dan can amass so much infantry and support in spring '42 outside CenPac. I play a "romantic" style I guess and use quite a few PPs on COs. Anyways, I concur on the unit withdrawal issue.




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RE: The Trauma of '42: Crackaces (Allies) vs. njp72 (IJ) - 7/27/2013 4:14:00 PM   
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Right now the IJ are stopped dead cold at Bombay .. they do not have the supplies to even bombard .. I cut them off again this turn form getting supplies ..More reinforcements are slowly on the way from Karachi ..

At Darwin .. the IJ are lacking supplies, are fatigued, and are disrupted .. but they continue to give out a lot more than they are taking ..

MAR 12th 1942:
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Ground combat at Darwin (76,124)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 13870 troops, 83 guns, 41 vehicles, Assault Value = 277

Defending force 7520 troops, 75 guns, 49 vehicles, Assault Value = 34

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 35

Allied adjusted defense: 49

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 0)

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+)
Attacker: disruption(-), fatigue(-), supply(-)

Japanese ground losses:
521 casualties reported
Squads: 9 destroyed, 27 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Allied ground losses:
649 casualties reported
Squads: 28 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 9 (6 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Assaulting units:
16th Recon Regiment
II./4th Infantry Battalion
I./4th Infantry Battalion
65th Brigade
4th Ind.Mixed Regiment
2nd Engineer Regiment

Defending units:
Sparrow Battalion
Gull Battalion
Emery Point Fortress
Northern Territory
19th Australian Battalion
1st RAAF Supt Wing
2/2nd Ind Coy
2nd RAN Base Force
Darwin RAAF Base Force
A/B Battery Heavy Coastal Artillery Regiment


One good piece of news .. after taking the forts down to level 0 .. this turn they built back up to level 1 .. not much .. I believe is a 10% whack on firepower and increase of AV .. could be close next turn and every adjustment is helpful to keep this battle going ... about 3,000 IJ casualties so far to take Darwin ..



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RE: The Trauma of '42: Crackaces (Allies) vs. njp72 (IJ) - 7/27/2013 4:16:05 PM   
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AFB Support Group on deck sir!


Welcome Aboard Zuluhour!

I will not be updating this AAR like my last AAR. I will highlight main strategic outcomes and the operations around these outcomes for discussion ...

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RE: The Trauma of '42: Crackaces (Allies) vs. njp72 (IJ) - 7/28/2013 12:06:19 AM   
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aye aye! Been here for awhile, I just have very little to add. I find it very stressing as allies for the first twelve months or so and read as many as AARs as I can.

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RE: The Trauma of '42: Crackaces (Allies) vs. njp72 (IJ) - 7/28/2013 5:11:32 PM   
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aye aye! Been here for awhile, I just have very little to add. I find it very stressing as allies for the first twelve months or so and read as many as AARs as I can.


and I think my opponents main objective is to make this game as stressful as possible in the first year ..

Things are starting to shape up although .. I will post a map tomorrow ...

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RE: The Trauma of '42: Crackaces (Allies) vs. njp72 (IJ) - 7/29/2013 5:19:35 PM   
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Poona holds one more turn frustrating the IJ advance on Bombay ... Strategically I see this as a victory of sorts because I am tying up IJ resources that could be raising hell in other places ..






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RE: The Trauma of '42: Crackaces (Allies) vs. njp72 (IJ) - 7/29/2013 5:22:26 PM   
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Meanwhile .. as AFB's know it is time for the CV's to get their upgrades .. I have moved my CV's to a unknown undisclosed location for the upgrades .. the IJ have no clue where these assets are .. and I have no intention of showing my hand until I need to execute an operation ... IN the meantime resources and platforms move to Pearl Harbor as well as the staging points. It is my plan to suddenly strike where the IJ are not ...probably in June 1942 but we shall see how the map and IJ MLR lays at that time ..

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RE: The Trauma of '42: Crackaces (Allies) vs. njp72 (IJ) - 7/29/2013 8:29:05 PM   
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PI still quiet? Heavy forts now?

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RE: The Trauma of '42: Crackaces (Allies) vs. njp72 (IJ) - 7/30/2013 12:42:51 AM   
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Here is PI as of March 20, 1942. I single IJ division of 16K troops has implanted themselves on Luzon .. more forces to the North ...PI will eventually fall but when and with how many resources is the question ..






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RE: The Trauma of '42: Crackaces (Allies) vs. njp72 (IJ) - 7/30/2013 2:05:56 AM   
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You may be able to make Cebu difficult for him as well, generating it's own supply, maybe airlift some outlying units in?

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RE: The Trauma of '42: Crackaces (Allies) vs. njp72 (IJ) - 7/30/2013 3:06:10 PM   
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You may be able to make Cebu difficult for him as well, generating it's own supply, maybe airlift some outlying units in?


Good suggestion .. I did not think about supply generation here ..



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RE: The Trauma of '42: Crackaces (Allies) vs. njp72 (IJ) - 7/30/2013 3:09:06 PM   
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Well I was avoiding detail in this AAR but I just had a smash up with 2 IJ CL's with 4DD's and of course we take the worse of it off Perth .. ASW forces are restricted to only ASW ships and the CL's had their way ...this also means the IJ are willing to use surface forces to interdict here and changes the dynamics ..






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RE: The Trauma of '42: Crackaces (Allies) vs. njp72 (IJ) - 7/30/2013 3:15:38 PM   
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The main mission for the IJ attack in India was to disrupt supply/industry and destroy the Commonwealth forces .. the IJ are accomplishing both objectives although I am delaying the IJA from securing Bombay ..


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Ground combat at Poona (36,26)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 22486 troops, 177 guns, 68 vehicles, Assault Value = 732

Defending force 8455 troops, 90 guns, 261 vehicles, Assault Value = 129

Japanese adjusted assault: 326

Allied adjusted defense: 215

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
618 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 55 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 14 (1 destroyed, 13 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
464 casualties reported
Squads: 25 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 21 disabled
Engineers: 7 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 7 (5 destroyed, 2 disabled)

............


The nuances in this game are intriguing ...The IJ are taking more casualties but the Allies are taking more destroyed squads. The IJ will quite rapidly repair the disabled squads while it will be years before these destroyed squads are replenished. I am sacrificing blood for time... each of these contests are Pyrrhic victories of sorts

In the meantime the Allies are doing all the can in this game ..

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RE: The Trauma of '42: Crackaces (Allies) vs. njp72 (IJ) - 8/1/2013 7:16:40 PM   
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Enclosed is a strategic map of the situation Turn 110. Do note that this map does not reflect the extended map and ability of the IJ to cutoff Aden from Karachi ...

In short the IJ are locked up in sieges at Bombay that includes Poona, Colombo, and Darwin. Last turn in an attempt to help Darwin another 10K troops dropped off with supplies and experienced the wrath of the shore batteries ... This is my current strategy .. keep the IJ busy .. do not commit too many forces .. and keep these siege situations going on as long as possible ..




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RE: The Trauma of '42: Crackaces (Allies) vs. njp72 (IJ) - 8/1/2013 8:00:38 PM   
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I would suspect the SCTF off Perth was really looking for fuel from Cape Town, although if I was IJ I would consider a merchant hunting group well outside Perth's air coverage with a small CVE for spotting and AMCs. Have you set up any rear area SoPac bases for fuel relay to Australia and supplies for future Ops in SwPac? I had forgotten how few USN base forces there are in '42 and sent one to NorPac ergo wasting a month getting it where it is needed. At least to this point much of the south Pacific is free and IJ search ability severely restricted.

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RE: The Trauma of '42: Crackaces (Allies) vs. njp72 (IJ) - 8/1/2013 8:10:52 PM   
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I would suspect the SCTF off Perth was really looking for fuel from Cape Town, although if I was IJ I would consider a merchant hunting group well outside Perth's air coverage with a small CVE for spotting and AMCs. Have you set up any rear area SoPac bases for fuel relay to Australia and supplies for future Ops in SwPac? I had forgotten how few USN base forces there are in '42 and sent one to NorPac ergo wasting a month getting it where it is needed. At least to this point much of the south Pacific is free and IJ search ability severely restricted.


His CV's are busy keeping Karachi cut off ... if he would show me any CV's not within range of India .. I would reinforce India with 5K AV and tons of supply ... that would be a disaster of major proportions given the dire situation of trapped troops involved in sieges .. so he keeps diligence ..

SoPac is building up its supply run

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RE: The Trauma of '42: Crackaces (Allies) vs. njp72 (IJ) - 8/2/2013 3:16:51 PM   
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I have not experienced results like below in previous stocks games .. so I ask the question of the group if the DBB alters the IJ pilot pool to not only have super-honcho naval capabilities but highly skilled ground capabilities .. 22 nells have taken out half their number every turn without fail ... granted open terrain on Dacca but I did not know the IJ were that powerful in the ground attack also ...


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Morning Air attack on 16th Light Cavalry Regiment, at 56,38 (Dacca)

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 3 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 1 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M2 Nell x 22
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 12

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 12 (11 destroyed, 1 disabled)


In other news Poona fell and Darwin fell all in the same turn #113.
.. hopefully I can keep Bombay as a strong hold otherwise the IJ will have Betty's here and it will be very very tough to mount some sort of come back ..


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RE: The Trauma of '42: Crackaces (Allies) vs. njp72 (IJ) - 8/2/2013 3:47:06 PM   
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I have not experienced results like below in previous stocks games .. so I ask the question of the group if the DBB alters the IJ pilot pool to not only have super-honcho naval capabilities but highly skilled ground capabilities .. 22 nells have taken out half their number every turn without fail ... granted open terrain on Dacca but I did not know the IJ were that powerful in the ground attack also ...



No, not at all to my knowledge. But by this time in the game some groups of decent pilots might have become very highly skilled in ground attack. Plus the other factors, as you say, in the open and so on. Units with good organic flak or flak coverage do better, I'm guessing these units don't have much of that? Also AFAIK flak units are the same as other units in that they fight better with higher morale and worse with lower morale. All the flak units in and arriving for India seem to start with horrible morale.

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RE: The Trauma of '42: Crackaces (Allies) vs. njp72 (IJ) - 8/2/2013 5:09:46 PM   
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Ok thanks for the very quick response. IN my prior experience with the game I just do not remember such devastating results from 2E's. Some disruption a few disabled .. but this unit has been destroyed in 5 days...Your thought on ground attack skill reinforces my thoughts of a propensity for the algorithm to favor skill over substance .. 20 4E's with not very skilled pilots kill one squad ..

Ok I shall not complain and take my punishment for 6 more months ....

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I have not experienced results like below in previous stocks games .. so I ask the question of the group if the DBB alters the IJ pilot pool to not only have super-honcho naval capabilities but highly skilled ground capabilities .. 22 nells have taken out half their number every turn without fail ... granted open terrain on Dacca but I did not know the IJ were that powerful in the ground attack also ...



No, not at all to my knowledge. But by this time in the game some groups of decent pilots might have become very highly skilled in ground attack. Plus the other factors, as you say, in the open and so on. Units with good organic flak or flak coverage do better, I'm guessing these units don't have much of that? Also AFAIK flak units are the same as other units in that they fight better with higher morale and worse with lower morale. All the flak units in and arriving for India seem to start with horrible morale.



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RE: The Trauma of '42: Crackaces (Allies) vs. njp72 (IJ) - 8/2/2013 6:02:08 PM   
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I still harbor the strong suspicion that the algorithms that use pilot skill give too much credit to very high skills for most things, and should have some greater diminishing returns factored in. I say this with zero direct knowledge of the formulae and code, only lots of anecdotal experience with the results in various situations, hence the qualifier "strong suspicion" tacked onto my opinion.

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RE: The Trauma of '42: Crackaces (Allies) vs. njp72 (IJ) - 8/3/2013 12:58:14 AM   
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I still harbor the strong suspicion that the algorithms that use pilot skill give too much credit to very high skills for most things, and should have some greater diminishing returns factored in. I say this with zero direct knowledge of the formulae and code, only lots of anecdotal experience with the results in various situations, hence the qualifier "strong suspicion" tacked onto my opinion.


I am with you and something seems to have changed ... I am thinking the AFB strategy has to change .. at least this AFB ...

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RE: The Trauma of '42: Crackaces (Allies) vs. njp72 (IJ) - 8/3/2013 1:05:32 AM   
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I thought this way back with AE. I have not noticed it getting worse or anything. What is it that you think has changed in this regard?

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RE: The Trauma of '42: Crackaces (Allies) vs. njp72 (IJ) - 8/3/2013 2:35:59 PM   
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I thought this way back with AE. I have not noticed it getting worse or anything. What is it that you think has changed in this regard?


Ground bombing effectiveness .. it could be that I am fighting in open terrain and no way to defend .. but I am experiencing way more effective IJN planes completely destroying armored units in 5 sorties ....we are at turn #113

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RE: The Trauma of '42: Crackaces (Allies) vs. njp72 (IJ) - 8/3/2013 2:45:41 PM   
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I'm very confident that there is no code favoring them. What comment does your opponent have about the results?

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RE: The Trauma of '42: Crackaces (Allies) vs. njp72 (IJ) - 8/3/2013 2:58:39 PM   
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There is always the omnipresent die rolls to consider. I once rolled six box cars in a row at an ASL tourney. Five main guns and a co-ax down on turn 1.Pardon the pun, but keep rolling with punches here. I'm frustrated I can't get any more than a dozen casualties from B17s at 6ooo'.

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RE: The Trauma of '42: Crackaces (Allies) vs. njp72 (IJ) - 8/3/2013 3:52:34 PM   
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There is always the omnipresent die rolls to consider. I once rolled six box cars in a row at an ASL tourney. Five main guns and a co-ax down on turn 1.Pardon the pun, but keep rolling with punches here. I'm frustrated I can't get any more than a dozen casualties from B17s at 6ooo'.


That is exactly the behavior I'm seeing. 20 B-17's 8 * 500 pound bombs each average exp 60~ ave skill 65~ kill 20 - 40 ...20 Nells Exp ?? Skill ?? but they are killing 100 - 200 / 20 - 30 vehicles each run ... devastating ... Thus I am thinking the game somehow changed the how skill/experience is factored into the results .. but what do I know?!?

On an off-topic note .. I hosted for 2 years a Fortress Europa / ASL tournament each combat point represented 1K ASL points. The rare units like the Tiger unit and the "Duck" units represented automatic 1.6 rarity. It was a blast because unlike the scenario where there is no tomorrow .. the morale rules encouraged players to start retreating once the 20% rule kicked in .. [for non elite units 20% casualties added +1 to morale checks] very few fight to the death situations and many running battles with defense in depth ...

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