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Elmer's bombardments in first round - 4/16/2013 12:13:23 AM

HPT KUNZ

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I notice that on the first round of combat Elmer attacks almost exclusively with bombardments. Has anyone else noted the same? I seems to me that this depletes the artillery supply/capability with not much return. But Elmer must know what he is doing. Right?
Any comments?
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RE: Elmer's bombardments in first round - 4/16/2013 1:57:39 AM

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Maybe 'softening up' ? Or trying to knock the defender out of entrenched status before attacking ?

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RE: Elmer's bombardments in first round - 4/17/2013 1:10:38 AM

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That is the theory, but it seems to me it is more cost-effective in TOAW to use artillery to support ground attacks. I get the impression Elmer disagrees...

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RE: Elmer's bombardments in first round - 4/17/2013 7:20:29 PM

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Difficult to get Elmer to play it correctly I suspect. Sometimes it is worth it and sometimes it isn't. It's not easy for the player to make that decision so poor old Elmer stands no chance unless he can see the results prior to making the initial bombardment.

Actually, would not be a bad idea to let Elmer cheat in this way. Generally speaking, I am not against Elmer cheating if it makes him a tougher opponent.

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RE: Elmer's bombardments in first round - 4/22/2013 11:47:01 PM

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Actually, would not be a bad idea to let Elmer cheat in this way. Generally speaking, I am not against Elmer cheating if it makes him a tougher opponent.

So, the PO's biggest weakness is his inability to shift troops effectively between fronts. This means in any scenario above a certain size, the correct approach is to massively overbalance one flank while refusing the other, destroy the forces there, and then roll up the rest of the line.

As it stands, one can exercise self restraint in abstaining from the above approach, and thereby get a broadly plausible match. But if the PO is given artificial advantages which make it more potent in direct combat, then the player will be obliged to exploit this unrealistic approach to win.

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RE: Elmer's bombardments in first round - 4/23/2013 12:08:14 AM

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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: shunwick

Actually, would not be a bad idea to let Elmer cheat in this way. Generally speaking, I am not against Elmer cheating if it makes him a tougher opponent.

So, the PO's biggest weakness is his inability to shift troops effectively between fronts. This means in any scenario above a certain size, the correct approach is to massively overbalance one flank while refusing the other, destroy the forces there, and then roll up the rest of the line.

As it stands, one can exercise self restraint in abstaining from the above approach, and thereby get a broadly plausible match. But if the PO is given artificial advantages which make it more potent in direct combat, then the player will be obliged to exploit this unrealistic approach to win.

Ben,

What on Earth are you talking about?

Best wishes,
Steve

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RE: Elmer's bombardments in first round - 4/23/2013 12:14:50 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: shunwick

quote:

ORIGINAL: golden delicious

quote:

ORIGINAL: shunwick

Actually, would not be a bad idea to let Elmer cheat in this way. Generally speaking, I am not against Elmer cheating if it makes him a tougher opponent.

So, the PO's biggest weakness is his inability to shift troops effectively between fronts. This means in any scenario above a certain size, the correct approach is to massively overbalance one flank while refusing the other, destroy the forces there, and then roll up the rest of the line.

As it stands, one can exercise self restraint in abstaining from the above approach, and thereby get a broadly plausible match. But if the PO is given artificial advantages which make it more potent in direct combat, then the player will be obliged to exploit this unrealistic approach to win.

Ben,

What on Earth are you talking about?

Best wishes,
Steve

Ben,

My apologies, it was way past my bed time and I did not read your post correctly.

It is possible, if you allow the PO unrestricted cheating rights, to create a monster for the solo game that effectively forces the player into specific anti-PO strategies.

But the PO already has some cheats programmed into it and I am not sure that allowing it to judge pre-attack bombardments (Is it worth it? Is it not?) would damage the solo game that badly. Maybe it would, maybe it wouldn't.

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Steve

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RE: Elmer's bombardments in first round - 4/23/2013 7:41:02 PM

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But the PO already has some cheats programmed into it and I am not sure that allowing it to judge pre-attack bombardments (Is it worth it? Is it not?) would damage the solo game that badly. Maybe it would, maybe it wouldn't.

I recently read (well, skimmed) a paper which described a process for a computer to play arcade games by testing multiple outcomes at every frame. It was effective but a real CPU hog.

Of course it's all pretty academic unless and until development actually starts again. Until then, play PBEM.

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