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Can you have two installs of AE at the same time - 3/27/2013 1:51:26 PM   
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Hi,
I would like to test the DBB mod and thought that the easiest way of doing it is to copy my existing installation into a new folder and install the DBB mod in the second copy. But when i started the copy (without any mods installed) I got the Fatal Error: 100. I tried it on a newly installed system as well but with the same result. Do I have to use JGSME to be able to switch map and pw*** files or can I make this work?

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RE: Can you have two installs of AE at the same time - 3/27/2013 2:03:15 PM   
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Do a complete install into a new folder name so the path is different and the registry recognizes the new install.

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RE: Can you have two installs of AE at the same time - 3/27/2013 2:08:00 PM   
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EDIT! I have a WITP:AE directory and within that I have installs for every game I have. Each has its own shortcuts, scenarios, tracker, etc. With a large HDD space is not an issue and it allows me to keep everything separate. But, you do not have to do a full install for each. Just copy the initial install. I now keep a clean "master" install that is vanilla, and make copies from that and modify them how I want. This includes all the extra goodies like tracker. EDIT!

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RE: Can you have two installs of AE at the same time - 3/27/2013 2:26:33 PM   
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I have a WITP:AE directory and within that I have installs for every game I have. Each has its own shortcuts, scenarios, tracker, etc. With a large HDD space is not an issue and it allows me to keep everything separate. But, you do have to do a full install for each to make sure the registry in your computer knows there is a separate program in each.



You might want to show me how to do this some day.

I currently just have the older beta for our PBEM and the newest beta for my AI games.

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RE: Can you have two installs of AE at the same time - 3/27/2013 2:29:52 PM   
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No, guys, you do not have to do a complete install for the additional folders. I've been using multiple installs for years and I have never done installs for the additional folders. A basic description of what I do is:

- Install once.
- Create the desired shortcuts (with the right switches for my PC, etc.).
- Copy the folder.
- Copy the shortcuts and edit them to work for the new folder(s). Remember there are two lines you must edit in each shortcut.

That's it. I only ever do an "install" to the first folder. The others are just copies.

And adding Beta Patches is even easier, as they are contained in a "Beta2" sub-folder.

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RE: Can you have two installs of AE at the same time - 3/27/2013 2:31:54 PM   
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Totally agree with WITPQS... simple to do and keeps you sane.

Well not sure about the sane state actually.


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RE: Can you have two installs of AE at the same time - 3/27/2013 2:36:48 PM   
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Do a complete install into a new folder name so the path is different and the registry recognizes the new install.


You dont need to do this. In fact, if you had WitP in the registry then you dont actually have to have AE in the registry at all (I dont). I have multiple copies of AE because I have different games running in different versions.

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RE: Can you have two installs of AE at the same time - 3/27/2013 2:47:56 PM   
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I did a clean install and now it works. Thanks a lot.
Still strange that my basic directory copying didn't work.

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RE: Can you have two installs of AE at the same time - 8/18/2013 5:12:48 AM   
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Will reconstitute an old thread rather than start a new one. I, too, have always just copied the directory and then updated it. Today, though, I copied the directory intact and get the Fatal Error 100 in the new copy. This happens when starting from a shortcut, of course, but I also get it if I just click on the .exe file in the directory. No problem with any other directory I have the game installed in.

I've checked to be sure the two directories really are identical -- counted files, checked dates and sizes, etc. All check pass, but the game won't run from the new one. Also applies to both stock and the beta, making me think there's a dll issue somewhere. Any ideas where else to look.

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RE: Can you have two installs of AE at the same time - 8/18/2013 7:05:04 AM   
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Will reconstitute an old thread rather than start a new one. I, too, have always just copied the directory and then updated it. Today, though, I copied the directory intact and get the Fatal Error 100 in the new copy. This happens when starting from a shortcut, of course, but I also get it if I just click on the .exe file in the directory. No problem with any other directory I have the game installed in.

I've checked to be sure the two directories really are identical -- counted files, checked dates and sizes, etc. All check pass, but the game won't run from the new one. Also applies to both stock and the beta, making me think there's a dll issue somewhere. Any ideas where else to look.



Shortcuts point to specific locations and copying them leaves them pointing to those locations. You will have to recreate them or edit them. As for the .exe not working that will problably have been caused by the lack of switches in the start up line. Do as witpqs said and it will work.

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RE: Can you have two installs of AE at the same time - 8/18/2013 1:52:48 PM   
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Yep, copying folders from an install works. I think I have 7 or 8 of them. 3 sandbox, 1 game (waiting for time to play ), 3 or 4 mod development of differeing aspects of the mod.

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RE: Can you have two installs of AE at the same time - 8/18/2013 5:32:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Roger Neilson 3

Totally agree with WITPQS... simple to do and keeps you sane.

Well not sure about the sane state actually.


Roger


witpqs is spot on.

My original install of WitP AE, which I do not use, simply sets all the pointers on the computer for the registry.

This original install was copied and placed into a folder labeled "Witp AE Base", then patched to the latest official patch.

I then made a new folder labeled, for example, "Babes28Cv11". I copied the "WitP AE Base" game into the Babes folder. All Babes downloads - extended maps, DEI / PI / Guad scenarios and gnarly Asian roads are downloaded into the Babes folder. Each download is then extracted into the WitP AE Base subfolder, in that directory. I also patch the Base copy to the latest Beta as desired

I have, IIRC five or so copies of the "Base" game, including a "AE WitP Stock". This system not only keeps all the differing variations - Babes, Stock or any other mods - separate, but allows easy replacement of the "Base" sub folder should things go wrong.

There was a time when I would install, from disc, numerous copies of AE. My current system is so much easier, and was learned from members of this forum.

Good advice in this thread, hope that it all helps.

Edit: Pax - missed your post, we think alike and follow the same path.

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RE: Can you have two installs of AE at the same time - 8/18/2013 5:43:37 PM   
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No, guys, you do not have to do a complete install for the additional folders. I've been using multiple installs for years and I have never done installs for the additional folders. A basic description of what I do is:

- Install once.
- Create the desired shortcuts (with the right switches for my PC, etc.).
- Copy the folder.
- Copy the shortcuts and edit them to work for the new folder(s). Remember there are two lines you must edit in each shortcut.

That's it. I only ever do an "install" to the first folder. The others are just copies.

And adding Beta Patches is even easier, as they are contained in a "Beta2" sub-folder.


I've got two versions mounted, done in the way you say by copying.

I've never played much with the shortcuts, but I have not to date figured out how to have two different beta patches running, one on each install. Because the patch installer works to put the beta EXE on the desktop every time I update the beta both versions want to be updated, and I'd like my AI install to sit still. I'm sure it's a shortcut thing, but it's annoying.

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RE: Can you have two installs of AE at the same time - 8/18/2013 8:22:57 PM   
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Apparently I forgot to mention that the shortcuts are updated appropriately. I have many directories that were copied and adjusted in this way; it's just this one that refuses to cooperate (and yes, I've deleted it and tried again a couple times).

As far as starting from the exe goes, that works in all the other copied directors (just not from the beta, of course, since there's no pointer to where the other files are). Again, this new copy is the only one that fails.

Has anyone ever determined the exact cause of the nebulous "Fatal Error 100"? Haven't decided whether it's an internal message or generic Microsoft (which would explain its "usefulness"). Knowing that much would certainly help troubleshooting!

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RE: Can you have two installs of AE at the same time - 8/18/2013 10:56:38 PM   
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Ok guys. Make sure I am doing this right.

I have made a new folder in my WTIP AE main folder and renamed it. I have copied all my original game files into it. Now I need to change my new shortcuts to this folder. What lines do I need to edit and where are they?

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RE: Can you have two installs of AE at the same time - 8/18/2013 11:24:12 PM   
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In the shortcut's properties, on the Shortcut tab, you need to change the paths in the Target and Start In boxes, so they point to your new location.

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RE: Can you have two installs of AE at the same time - 8/19/2013 12:37:28 AM   
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Ok. I got the new folder going. Looked at the shortcuts and when I try to click on one I get an error message "unable to find pw message". Am I right to assume that this shortcut needs to have the target and start in boxes changed? If I am right then what do I need to put into those boxes to get it to track right? Yes I am a computer idiot.

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RE: Can you have two installs of AE at the same time - 8/19/2013 1:08:53 AM   
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Trying to figure this out. But not doing any good. My active shortcut is located in my Beta2 file. When I copied and moved my files to my new game folder RA 6.0. I do not have an active shortcut. The one that is in my original Beta2 file is gone. What am I missing or screwing up?

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RE: Can you have two installs of AE at the same time - 8/19/2013 4:53:51 AM   
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I've resolved my issues, though there is still no logical explanation. I deleted the new directory and copied again -- this time using Windows Explorer instead of the xcopy command -- and it's working fine. I always use xcopy, so don't know why this time was any different (and it might not have anything to do with the problem).

DOCUP's issue is still open for discussion. At the moment, my mind is running in 60 directions and I'm having trouble concentrating on his.

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RE: Can you have two installs of AE at the same time - 8/19/2013 8:56:18 PM   
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Thanks CptDave I think I got it now.

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RE: Can you have two installs of AE at the same time - 4/16/2017 8:33:46 PM   
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Just an update, 3½ years later. Due to a hard drive crash I just had the pleasure or re-installing everything. The problem with xcopy vs. copying with File Explorer (on Windows 10 now) still exists. As a sanity saver, I'll point out that only the base directory needs to be copied this way; the others are fine.

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RE: Can you have two installs of AE at the same time - 4/16/2017 9:25:58 PM   
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Just an update, 3½ years later. Due to a hard drive crash I just had the pleasure or re-installing everything. The problem with xcopy vs. copying with File Explorer (on Windows 10 now) still exists. As a sanity saver, I'll point out that only the base directory needs to be copied this way; the others are fine.


Been an extremely long time since I've heard the term XCOPY. I hazard pre any windows IE. using DOS.

Forget it, just copy the whole of your initial AE folder, rename it then recreate any shortcuts.

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RE: Can you have two installs of AE at the same time - 4/18/2017 7:59:33 AM   
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The difference in copy methods comes from the fact, that xcopy doesn't copy hidden and system files by default. WITPAE does hava a hidden file "maga.mg" in the base directory. If this file is missing you get an error (don't know the error number right now). xcopy should work, if used with the '/h' option (for copying hidden files).

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RE: Can you have two installs of AE at the same time - 4/20/2017 2:40:03 AM   
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Yep, copying folders from an install works. I think I have 7 or 8 of them. 3 sandbox, 1 game (waiting for time to play ), 3 or 4 mod development of differeing aspects of the mod.

I don't feel so dirty now. I only have 6 copied directories...

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RE: Can you have two installs of AE at the same time - 4/20/2017 3:09:37 AM   
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Yep, copying folders from an install works. I think I have 7 or 8 of them. 3 sandbox, 1 game (waiting for time to play ), 3 or 4 mod development of differeing aspects of the mod.

I don't feel so dirty now. I only have 6 copied directories...


I have 10 right now, does that make me 'dirty?'

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RE: Can you have two installs of AE at the same time - 4/20/2017 10:39:07 AM   
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No, guys, you do not have to do a complete install for the additional folders. I've been using multiple installs for years and I have never done installs for the additional folders. A basic description of what I do is:

- Install once.
- Create the desired shortcuts (with the right switches for my PC, etc.).
- Copy the folder.
- Copy the shortcuts and edit them to work for the new folder(s). Remember there are two lines you must edit in each shortcut.

That's it. I only ever do an "install" to the first folder. The others are just copies.

And adding Beta Patches is even easier, as they are contained in a "Beta2" sub-folder.


Really that works ? I thought every game needs an install. I tried to copy the folder to another PC some time ago but it would not run. Needed re-install. This is due to registry entries I learned. Contrary to for example SPWAW series, you can simply copy the folder, click on mech.exe and it will run....

Edit, but ofc, that you cannot simply copy the folder to everywhere also has a bit of copy protection function. While SPWAW was a free download for most of the time and no copy protection there/thanks for that

I had when I played SPWAW regulary and also per PBM 3 folders, VER 7.1 H2H (had also better sounds and updated pricing of units), V 8.xx and the older normal 7.1 version (cause I found the "feel" of the 7.xx version was better somehow)

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RE: Can you have two installs of AE at the same time - 4/20/2017 10:42:07 AM   
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1 game (waiting for time to play ),




If you got the time, send a PM I am looking for an Allied scen2 Sept42 player

Or also other players for a slower game, the ex-Allied player has no time anymore

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RE: Can you have two installs of AE at the same time - 4/20/2017 10:46:54 AM   
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No, guys, you do not have to do a complete install for the additional folders. I've been using multiple installs for years and I have never done installs for the additional folders. A basic description of what I do is:

- Install once.
- Create the desired shortcuts (with the right switches for my PC, etc.).
- Copy the folder.
- Copy the shortcuts and edit them to work for the new folder(s). Remember there are two lines you must edit in each shortcut.

That's it. I only ever do an "install" to the first folder. The others are just copies.

And adding Beta Patches is even easier, as they are contained in a "Beta2" sub-folder.


Really that works ? I thought every game needs an install. I tried to copy the folder to another PC some time ago but it would not run. Needed re-install. This is due to registry entries I learned. Contrary to for example SPWAW series, you can simply copy the folder, click on mech.exe and it will run....


Yes, it works fine on the same PC (for the reason you stated i.e. registry entries are already there).

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RE: Can you have two installs of AE at the same time - 4/20/2017 10:50:01 AM   
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But even on the same PC the reg entries would only point to installed game and not to a copy from it, you needed to edit the registry then too (better do this not LOL). But I will try it later, thanks...

eg, the reg entry would point to folder c:matrix/witp (etc), another copy most have another name too so the registry would only point to the orig install (but maybe this registry knowledge I have is outdated, I worked in XP with the registry for a while, not in 7 there is no need anymore, except some cleaning of entries)

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RE: Can you have two installs of AE at the same time - 4/20/2017 11:14:51 AM   
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But even on the same PC the reg entries would only point to installed game and not to a copy from it, you needed to edit the registry then too (better do this not LOL). But I will try it later, thanks...

eg, the reg entry would point to folder c:matrix/witp (etc), another copy most have another name too so the registry would only point to the orig install (but maybe this registry knowledge I have is outdated, I worked in XP with the registry for a while, not in 7 there is no need anymore, except some cleaning of entries)


you don't need to edit the registry - it just works

if its not working for you then maybe there is some other problem, maybe bad install???

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