obvert
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Joined: 1/17/2011 From: PDX (and now) London, UK Status: online
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Hi All, After suffering another defeat to a US DD only surface group I'm left wondering what I can do to improve my chances. Or is this as good as it gets! In 44 it seems no matter what I throw at US DDs the IJN can't hit and gets chewed up severely. If I were going in with only destroyers I could understand this completely. I know US guns fired more accurately and with more regularity, but CA and BB led TFs are getting nailed now. Here are several combat reports. I usually choose leaders with 70+ naval and 60-65 aggression. All ship commanders have been changed out for good ones, and the ships had little wear and tear going into these battles. We had good DL on the enemy ships and from what it seemed they had less info on ours in each case. I'm looking for game advice to see what I could do better. Just trying to learn more here. This is a small sample size but it's all I have. This first one the IJN did well at night in the first installment and got wiped out in the next battle against another TF. Hyuga took enough damage to have to head to the HI to get repaired. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1/44 Night Time Surface Combat, near Milne Bay at 101,133, Range 8,000 Yards Japanese Ships BB Nagato BB Mutsu, Shell hits 2 BB Hyuga, Shell hits 5 DD Naganami, Shell hits 1 DD Kiyonami, Shell hits 3, on fire DD Michishio, Shell hits 1 DD Murasame, Shell hits 4, on fire DD Yudachi DD Samidare, Shell hits 2, on fire DD Uranami Allied Ships DD Jenkins, Shell hits 1 DD Nicholas, Shell hits 1 DD O'Bannon DD Stanly, Shell hits 3, on fire DD Strong, Shell hits 1 DD Selfridge, Shell hits 2 DD Balch, Shell hits 10, and is sunk DD Clark, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 100% moonlight: 11,000 yards Range closes to 24,000 yards... CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 24,000 yards Range closes to 18,000 yards... CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 18,000 yards Range closes to 12,000 yards... Range closes to 8,000 yards... CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 8,000 yards Coward, Jesse G. crosses the 'T' BB Hyuga engages DD Clark at 8,000 yards DD Clark sunk by DD Yudachi at 5,000 yards Range closes to 3,000 yards BB Hyuga engages DD Balch at 3,000 yards DD Naganami engages DD Stanly at 11,000 yards Task forces break off... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Milne Bay at 101,133, Range 8,000 Yards Japanese Ships BB Nagato, Shell hits 5 BB Mutsu, Shell hits 7 BB Hyuga, Shell hits 16, on fire DD Naganami, Shell hits 20, and is sunk DD Kiyonami, Shell hits 18, and is sunk DD Michishio, Shell hits 5, on fire DD Murasame, Shell hits 19, and is sunk DD Yudachi, Shell hits 1 DD Samidare, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk DD Uranami, Shell hits 25, and is sunk Allied Ships DD Fletcher, Shell hits 6, on fire DD Bache, Shell hits 2 DD Bradford, Shell hits 13, heavy fires, heavy damage DD Conway, Shell hits 3, on fire DD Cony, Shell hits 3 DD DeHaven, Shell hits 2, on fire DD Eaton, Shell hits 16, and is sunk DD McKee, Shell hits 5, on fire Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 100% moonlight: 11,000 yards Range closes to 24,000 yards... Range closes to 18,000 yards... Range closes to 12,000 yards... Range closes to 8,000 yards... CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 8,000 yards Allies open fire on surprised Japanese ships at 8,000 yards DD McKee launches Torpedoes at BB Mutsu at 8,000 yards DD DeHaven launches Torpedoes at BB Mutsu at 8,000 yards DD Cony launches Torpedoes at BB Mutsu at 8,000 yards DD Cony fires at DD Samidare at 8,000 yards DD Bradford launches Torpedoes at DD Samidare at 8,000 yards DD Bradford fires at DD Murasame at 8,000 yards DD Fletcher launches Torpedoes at DD Michishio at 8,000 yards DD DeHaven fires at DD Kiyonami at 8,000 yards DD Cony fires at DD Naganami at 8,000 yards Range closes to 3,000 yards BB Mutsu engages DD DeHaven at 3,000 yards BB Nagato engages DD Cony at 3,000 yards DD Samidare engages DD Cony at 3,000 yards DD Cony engages DD Samidare at 3,000 yards DD Kiyonami engages DD Bradford at 3,000 yards DD Michishio engages DD Bache at 3,000 yards DD Michishio engages DD Fletcher at 3,000 yards DD Kiyonami engages DD McKee at 3,000 yards DD Naganami engages DD Fletcher at 3,000 yards Range increases to 4,000 yards DD Kiyonami engages DD McKee at 4,000 yards BB Mutsu engages DD Cony at 4,000 yards BB Nagato engages DD Bache at 4,000 yards DD Cony engages DD Uranami at 4,000 yards DD Samidare engages DD Bache at 4,000 yards DD Bache engages DD Yudachi at 4,000 yards DD Bache engages DD Samidare at 4,000 yards DD DeHaven engages DD Michishio at 4,000 yards DD Cony engages DD Kiyonami at 4,000 yards DD Fletcher engages DD Naganami at 4,000 yards Range closes to 3,000 yards DD Murasame engages DD McKee at 3,000 yards DD Eaton engages DD Samidare at 3,000 yards BB Nagato engages DD Fletcher at 3,000 yards DD Uranami engages DD Cony at 3,000 yards DD Fletcher engages DD Samidare at 3,000 yards DD Kiyonami engages DD Bache at 3,000 yards DD Fletcher engages DD Murasame at 3,000 yards DD Bache engages DD Kiyonami at 3,000 yards DD Cony engages DD Naganami at 3,000 yards Range increases to 5,000 yards BB Hyuga engages DD Cony at 5,000 yards DD Eaton engages DD Murasame at 5,000 yards DD DeHaven engages DD Murasame at 5,000 yards DD Kiyonami engages DD Cony at 5,000 yards DD Samidare engages DD Conway at 5,000 yards DD Bradford engages DD Yudachi at 5,000 yards DD Bradford engages DD Murasame at 5,000 yards DD Michishio engages DD Fletcher at 5,000 yards DD Naganami engages DD Eaton at 5,000 yards Range increases to 8,000 yards DD Michishio engages DD McKee at 8,000 yards BB Mutsu engages DD Fletcher at 8,000 yards DD Murasame engages DD DeHaven at 8,000 yards DD Cony engages DD Murasame at 8,000 yards DD Conway engages DD Uranami at 8,000 yards DD Yudachi engages DD Fletcher at 8,000 yards DD McKee engages DD Murasame at 8,000 yards DD Kiyonami engages DD Cony at 8,000 yards DD Naganami engages DD Bache at 8,000 yards Range closes to 7,000 yards DD Samidare engages DD McKee at 7,000 yards DD Eaton engages DD Kiyonami at 7,000 yards BB Nagato engages DD Fletcher at 7,000 yards DD Uranami engages DD Bache at 7,000 yards DD Samidare engages DD Bache at 7,000 yards DD Yudachi engages DD McKee at 7,000 yards DD Bradford engages DD Murasame at 7,000 yards DD Michishio engages DD Fletcher at 7,000 yards DD Kiyonami engages DD DeHaven at 7,000 yards DD Naganami engages DD Cony at 7,000 yards BB Hyuga engages DD Fletcher at 7,000 yards DD Naganami engages DD DeHaven at 7,000 yards DD Kiyonami engages DD Conway at 7,000 yards DD Yudachi engages DD Bradford at 7,000 yards DD Murasame engages DD Bache at 7,000 yards DD Murasame engages DD Fletcher at 7,000 yards DD Kiyonami engages DD Bache at 7,000 yards DD Bache engages DD Naganami at 7,000 yards Range closes to 5,000 yards DD Naganami engages DD McKee at 5,000 yards DD Yudachi engages DD Eaton at 5,000 yards DD Samidare engages DD DeHaven at 5,000 yards DD Murasame engages DD Cony at 5,000 yards DD Conway engages DD Murasame at 5,000 yards DD Kiyonami engages DD Bradford at 5,000 yards DD Michishio engages DD Bache at 5,000 yards DD Michishio engages DD Fletcher at 5,000 yards DD Bache engages DD Kiyonami at 5,000 yards DD Naganami engages DD DeHaven at 5,000 yards DD Murasame engages DD McKee at 5,000 yards BB Mutsu engages DD Eaton at 5,000 yards BB Nagato engages DD DeHaven at 5,000 yards DD Uranami engages DD Eaton at 5,000 yards DD Bache engages DD Yudachi at 5,000 yards DD Kiyonami engages DD Bradford at 5,000 yards DD Bradford engages DD Michishio at 5,000 yards DD Kiyonami engages DD Fletcher at 5,000 yards DD Naganami engages DD DeHaven at 5,000 yards Range closes to 4,000 yards BB Hyuga engages DD McKee at 4,000 yards DD Eaton engages DD Murasame at 4,000 yards DD Murasame engages DD DeHaven at 4,000 yards DD Murasame engages DD Cony at 4,000 yards DD Yudachi engages DD Eaton at 4,000 yards DD Murasame engages DD Bradford at 4,000 yards DD Kiyonami engages DD Bache at 4,000 yards DD Murasame engages DD Fletcher at 4,000 yards DD Naganami engages DD Conway at 4,000 yards Range increases to 6,000 yards DD McKee engages DD Murasame at 6,000 yards DD Kiyonami engages DD Eaton at 6,000 yards DD Kiyonami engages DD DeHaven at 6,000 yards DD Kiyonami engages DD Conway at 6,000 yards DD Kiyonami sunk by DD Bache at 6,000 yards DD Fletcher engages DD Naganami at 6,000 yards Range closes to 5,000 yards BB Hyuga engages DD McKee at 5,000 yards BB Mutsu engages DD Bache at 5,000 yards DD Naganami engages DD DeHaven at 5,000 yards DD Naganami engages DD Cony at 5,000 yards DD Fletcher engages DD Yudachi at 5,000 yards DD Michishio engages DD Eaton at 5,000 yards DD Naganami engages DD McKee at 5,000 yards Range closes to 2,000 yards BB Hyuga engages DD Fletcher at 2,000 yards DD Uranami engages DD Eaton at 2,000 yards DD Uranami engages DD DeHaven at 2,000 yards DD Fletcher engages DD Uranami at 2,000 yards DD Yudachi engages DD Eaton at 2,000 yards DD Bache engages DD Murasame at 2,000 yards DD Fletcher engages DD Naganami at 2,000 yards Yoshitomi, Setsuzo orders Japanese TF to disengage BB Hyuga engages DD Cony at 2,000 yards BB Mutsu engages DD DeHaven at 2,000 yards DD DeHaven engages DD Uranami at 2,000 yards DD Yudachi engages DD Eaton at 2,000 yards DD Murasame engages DD Bradford at 2,000 yards DD Michishio engages DD Bache at 2,000 yards DD Murasame engages DD Fletcher at 2,000 yards BB Hyuga engages DD Eaton at 2,000 yards DD Murasame sunk by DD DeHaven at 2,000 yards DD Uranami engages DD Cony at 2,000 yards DD Naganami engages DD Conway at 2,000 yards DD McKee engages DD Michishio at 2,000 yards DD Naganami engages DD Eaton at 2,000 yards BB Hyuga engages DD McKee at 2,000 yards DD Naganami engages DD Eaton at 2,000 yards Magazine explodes on DD Eaton DD Eaton sunk by BB Nagato at 2,000 yards DD Cony engages DD Naganami at 2,000 yards DD Bradford engages DD Michishio at 2,000 yards DD Naganami engages DD Bache at 2,000 yards DD Michishio engages DD Fletcher at 2,000 yards BB Hyuga engages DD McKee at 2,000 yards BB Mutsu engages DD Bradford at 2,000 yards BB Nagato engages DD Conway at 2,000 yards DD Naganami sunk by DD Conway at 2,000 yards DD Yudachi engages DD Bradford at 2,000 yards DD Conway engages DD Michishio at 2,000 yards Moosbrugger, Fred orders Allied TF to disengage BB Hyuga engages DD Bradford at 2,000 yards DD DeHaven engages DD Yudachi at 2,000 yards DD Uranami sunk by DD Cony at 2,000 yards DD Yudachi engages DD Bradford at 2,000 yards DD Michishio engages DD Bradford at 2,000 yards Range increases to 5,000 yards DD Michishio engages DD McKee at 5,000 yards DD Michishio engages DD DeHaven at 5,000 yards DD Michishio engages DD Cony at 5,000 yards DD Conway engages DD Yudachi at 5,000 yards DD Yudachi engages DD Bradford at 5,000 yards DD Yudachi engages DD Bache at 5,000 yards DD Fletcher engages DD Michishio at 5,000 yards Range increases to 10,000 yards BB Hyuga engages DD McKee at 10,000 yards BB Mutsu engages DD McKee at 10,000 yards DD Michishio engages DD Conway at 10,000 yards DD Fletcher engages DD Michishio at 10,000 yards DD Bache engages DD Yudachi at 10,000 yards DD Fletcher engages DD Michishio at 10,000 yards Task forces break off... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In this one the IJN took on an ASW TF with better numbers and the two CLs with at least a few bigger caliber guns. In a night battle with 100% moon I would have thought there would be a bit more carnage and that the IJN would do well getting down to 3k yards. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Deboyne Islands at 103,134, Range 8,000 Yards Japanese Ships CL Natori CL Yura DD Natsushio DD Yukikaze, Shell hits 1 DD Sazanami, Shell hits 2, on fire DD Fumizuki DD Kikuzuki DD Nagatsuki Allied Ships DD Russell DD Perkins, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Smith, Shell hits 1 DD Preston, Shell hits 1, on fire Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 100% moonlight: 11,000 yards Range closes to 24,000 yards... Range closes to 18,000 yards... CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 18,000 yards Range closes to 12,000 yards... Range closes to 8,000 yards... CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 8,000 yards CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 8,000 yards DD Nagatsuki engages DD Preston at 8,000 yards DD Perkins engages DD Natsushio at 4,000 yards Range closes to 3,000 yards DD Preston engages DD Natsushio at 3,000 yards DD Smith engages CL Natori at 3,000 yards DD Perkins engages DD Natsushio at 11,000 yards Task forces break off... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4/44 In these recent battles two TFs went for Sarmi in North New Guinea and the DD TF was protecting the area. These are daytime battles. I would have thought by the second at least the IJN would have had a decent advantage. Mutsu lost a 40cm turret in this battle and now needs time in the yard as well. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Sarmi at 90,113, Range 18,000 Yards Japanese Ships BB Nagato, Shell hits 2 BB Mutsu, Shell hits 15, on fire DD Hayashimo, Shell hits 8, heavy fires, heavy damage DD Yukikaze, Shell hits 5 DD Hamakaze, Shell hits 7, heavy fires, heavy damage DD Hatsuharu, Shell hits 6, heavy fires DD Hatsushima, Shell hits 8, heavy fires, heavy damage DD Yugure, Shell hits 2, on fire Allied Ships DD Bullard, Shell hits 2, on fire DD Capps, Shell hits 1 DD Gatling, Shell hits 1 DD Halligan DD Marshall, Shell hits 1 DD Nicholas, Shell hits 1 DD O'Bannon DD Stanly, Shell hits 4, heavy fires DD Strong DD Selfridge, Shell hits 3, and is sunk Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards Range closes to 24,000 yards... CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 24,000 yards Range closes to 18,000 yards... CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 18,000 yards BB Mutsu engages DD O'Bannon at 18,000 yards DD Hayashimo engages DD Bullard at 11,000 yards Range closes to 7,000 yards BB Mutsu engages DD Selfridge at 7,000 yards BB Nagato engages DD Bullard at 25,000 yards Fujisawa, Takamasa orders Japanese TF to disengage Task forces break off... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Sarmi at 91,114, Range 24,000 Yards Japanese Ships CA Mikuma, Shell hits 1 CA Suzuya DD Natsushio, Shell hits 2, on fire DD Tanikaze, Shell hits 3 DD Asashio, Shell hits 1, and is sunk 1 hit! DD Arashio, Shell hits 2 DD Yudachi, Shell hits 2 Allied Ships DD Bullard, Shell hits 3, heavy fires DD Capps, Shell hits 1 DD Gatling, Shell hits 2 DD Halligan DD Marshall, Shell hits 3 DD Nicholas DD O'Bannon, Shell hits 3, on fire DD Stanly, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk DD Strong, Shell hits 1 Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards Range closes to 24,000 yards... CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 24,000 yards CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 24,000 yards CA Suzuya engages DD Stanly at 24,000 yards DD Bullard engages DD Yudachi at 10,000 yards Burke, Arleigh A. orders Allied TF to disengage Range closes to 7,000 yards CA Suzuya engages DD Strong at 7,000 yards DD Arashio engages DD Bullard at 16,000 yards Task forces break off...
< Message edited by obvert -- 3/26/2013 1:30:44 PM >
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