From: Vienna, Austria
Although Alfred has a unique communciation style there is always much to appricate in his content. I am not so sure Alfred has cornered the market on this I have been lamblasted by Damain and LoBaron for merely questioning the context for suggesting changes in the air modules, and questioning how it will affect the game. That sword goes both ways ...
The big thing I interpet from Alfred's musings is be very careful of what you ask for in a vain atempt to get the game to represent someones particular version of reality because you might get it ... .and the game might become quite unplayable .The laws of unintended consequences .. Alfred has been around since the WitP days and has that background of how the game has progressed and how these uninteded consequinces have caused great consternation .. so I beleive he is saying it might be better to adapt then make the situation worse .. at least that is what I perceive ..
I suspect Alfred is close to where Nemo was before he bugged out .. two very great minds for understanding this game but the forum is doing a good job of chasing them off ..
I fully aprechiate this post, and would go as far as to fully support it, even without knowing what the hell 'lamblasted' means.
Alfred has a quick mind and a huge accumulated knowledge of the game engine, and is very fast noticing complex connections between seemingly unrelated processes. His contempt in this regard is full justified.
Besides that, he is one of the few people here who are constantly aware that WitP AE requires a whole lot of abstraction.
People who comment on air coordination often do so without completely understanding what it means. The air war in WitP AE is technically point to point, but uses certain means to still display realistic air battles.
If anyone complains that a fully coordinated strike combat-resolves in packages, where a specific percentage of bombers gets completely mauled by CAP without a single escort fighter intercepting, he should think
about the following specific situation:
When a flight of 80 bombers - escorted by roughly 30 fighters - is intercepted by an equal or higher number of enemy fighters, does it seem reasonable that those 30 escort fighter are unable to cover the whole
bomber formation, and so are unable to prevent the interceptors from shooting down complete formations of the bombers without any opposition and then disappearing again?
If he answers with 'no', he has no understanding of the scale of WWII air combat and the complex situations presented to escorts in a fast moving 3D environment, and has never played a half decent
WWII flight simulation allowing such battles.
It is not only up to the escorts to provide complete protection against the bombers. If the CAP does not play their game it gets through, at least partly, without a fight.
The 8th did not fend off the majority of Luftwaffe intercepts in mid ´44 raids in most instances because they were great pilots (though many of em were). They fended off the interceptors
because they usually outnumbered the attackers 2:1-5:1 in fighters only, and because they mostly were protecting heavy bombers perfectly capable of protecting themselves alone with
some support. And even then some tactically well positioned German fighters were able to attack the bombers directly.
So if the situation is not mirroring the above strike superiority, theres no reason to expect that specific outcome.
Now, based on Damians post, the complete CAP over the transport TF was LRCAP. If this is true, the total number of fighter on CAP probably outnumbered the escorts by more than obvious
from the combat report, as LRCAP only displays the planes in the vincinity of the battle, not the total assigned to LRCAP (this contrasts with CAP, where it is exactly the other way around).
My additional assumption is that is that it engaged from a position of alt advantage (I always wondered why noone mentions on a regular basis, that carrier battle defeats are often simply
a result of the altitude chosen, but thats another story...).
Even so - Damians confirmation pending - it certainly looks like a certain percentage of DB/TBs got through and made their attack runs.
My conclusion would be, that considering the bad weather, and the fact that the CAP pilots were elite as well, that the initial setup was not exactly in favor of the strike (to use a bit of understantement).
That such a situation results in no hits is plausable even if hits would have been possible.
PS: I do think Bullwinkle hit the nail with his post as well, btw.