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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 5/9/2013 5:35:34 PM   
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How much of German manpower is tied up in forts?
From the commander's report you can filter and see how many of your 3.4 million are in the Luftwaffe, HQs, forts, etc.
I'm just curious what the trade off is for the 'Eastern Wall'

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 5/9/2013 6:02:54 PM   
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I may not be looking at it correctly, but around 70,000 in the forts and 360,000 in the Luftwaffe.

I've done a few things I haven't shared that has spared troops. One is that on turn 1 I intentionally set all HQ's TOE at 55 % and that keeps them at 85-90 % (why not lower ???). It funnels more troops to the combat units and will reduce attrition during the upcoming blizzard.



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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 5/10/2013 12:32:06 AM   
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What is the "Odessa problem"? Does Sean still hold Odessa? Although the "pros" won't be able to launch any major offensives from Odessa it will tie down some of your troops and cause your lines to be a bit thinner than you'd like. If Sean still holds it I vote for snuffing it out during the snow turns.

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 5/10/2013 2:02:14 AM   
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Yea I didn't take it out in the first 10 turns and went after (and got) the Crimea. I and II Corp will hopefully eradicate it the first snow turn. I will not delay its capture in the future.

I was going to share some of my strategy with morale sooner, but now's the time. Each turn up thru the 19th, the morale of the infantry divisions has increased to where it is now at the highest of any the 7 games I've played ... a tad over 80.6. The German starts with 92 divisions with an average morale of about 77.5. Each turn I strive to have any divisions with a 76 or less morale engage in a victorius combat. Why ??? For units with a morale 90 or greater it's my estimate that only 5% of the time morale goes up by 1 point with a victory. Units with morale of 82-89 and 77-81 it's 8-10% and 12-15 % respectively (a very rough estimate.) But for the units 76 or less morale wlli increase by an average of over 1.5 points per victory

So starting on the first turn I intentionally make winning attacks with these low morale units. These attacks to me are far more critical then forcing these units east to engage the retreating Soviet horde. The first turn I average about 145 total point gain in the total infantry morale. Each turn thereafter the increase drastically slows and peaks at about the 10-12 th turn when the combat defeats increase against the strengthening Soviet fort line .

I also remain viligent to keep unit supply> 30 % (using air supply at times)

Presently my lowest morale German infantry are 71,73,75,75,75. The rest are higher

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 5/10/2013 2:45:52 AM   
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Thank goodness you changed your avatar hitman, the last one was hideous.

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 5/10/2013 11:30:54 PM   
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Despite Hitman's caption, I would like to reassure readers that I find the attempt to replicate my avatar with a large, hairy arm somewhat disturbing. Oh well, each to their own taste.

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 5/11/2013 4:50:05 PM   
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I will not take offense to the two previous posts. Michael T., the old HITMAN was wonderfully hideous and to me was appealing. Sillyflower, I can't change the impact of testosterone (thank goodness I wasn't a talented adolescent tenor in the Middle Ages) and if I had shown a facial shot, MT would be singing praises of my old avatar. More flowers of my efforts

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This is an unusual vine called wisteria (Wisteria sinensis for you botanists), which I planted by my arbor 4 years ago. Last year it produced it's first spring blooms, which are purple flowers shaped in grape clusters. This year they were 12-18 inches (as you see.) The plants will slowly mature and produce clusters 3-4 feet long.

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 5/11/2013 11:34:26 PM   
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OK Hitman

I have to give you credit for dissipating my trash talk by morphing the AAR into Gardeners' Weekly. Perhaps we should abandon WiTE to play Plants v Zombies.

In the meantime Russian goats are being trained to deal with the latest Nazi menace. They will be ready to drop into Germany in Spring '42 therefore reducing German national morale by several points




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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 5/12/2013 1:09:53 AM   
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Hitman, what was that old avatar, anyways? A neanderthal?



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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 5/12/2013 1:36:12 AM   
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Hitman, what was that old avatar, anyways? A neanderthal?




That guy was an arch-villian on Blind Fury which starred Rutger Hauer.

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 5/12/2013 3:04:25 AM   
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Flaviusx ... I'm going to teach you something on this forum. Every dog has his day. "Blind Fury" ??? Disdrunkled Veteran needs to watch a few movies with a clear mind. That's Tex Cobb in the movie "Raising Arizona", starring Nicholas Cage and Holly Hunter. He was a first class boxer who lost to Larry Holmes in a one-sided fight and knocked out Ernie Shavers !!! I actually rewatched the movie 1 month ago. It's almost as good as the old "All's Quiet On The Western Front" Sillyflower !!

Sillyflower us "southern yanks" have an appreciation for mother nature by gardening. It's not often that one can do so little and see so much.



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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 5/12/2013 9:09:26 AM   
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It's not often that one can do so little and see so much.



Seems like the makings of a good motto for the TV slob. Do nothing and see everything.

I don't know the film but will look out for it. The Outlaw Josey Wales is probably my favourite American film

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 5/12/2013 2:34:22 PM   
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The hell of it is that I actually have seen Raising Arizona, although not in many, many years. As in, since it was released. Can't recall this fellow at all. There's a good chance I wasn't sober when I watched it, this is back in college days...

If they ever make another caveman movie, he's a shoo in for a part.



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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 5/12/2013 2:46:45 PM   
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Be careful Sillyflower, the men I know as gardeners had a tendency to be the head of Italian families. If you ever got an invite it usually meant some issues needed to be cleared up, and the plants needed more fertilizer.

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 5/12/2013 6:55:40 PM   
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Hitman's ancestors are from further north luckily. Anyway I'm more used to English gardeners who tend to be a fairly placid lot.

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 5/12/2013 9:07:53 PM   
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TURN 20 ... TURN 20 ... TURN 20 ... TURN 20 ... TURN 20

I am truly not passive. In fact a previous pastor at our church labelled me as "confrontational;" I really didn't know what he meant at the time, but clearly I was not afraid to voice my opinions and , more importantly, act on them. I'm glad I'm not a 1st century Christian. I don't think I would have run from the lions.

I would have instinctly done what David Stanley (I'm in error, his name was David Liningstone. When I woke up this am this error flashed in my head. Strange. Wiki states Henry Stanley was a reporter sent by the New York Herald to interview (first find) Livivngston and their famous " Mr Livivngston I presume" occurred at thier encounter in 1869 on the shores of Lake Tanganynika ), the famous Scottish missionary/explorer (Sillyflower, he was sent to Africa during the 19 th century by the London Missionary Society, so would I be more accurate to call him British ???) learned to do. He found when confronted by lions it was best to stand one's ground. Running away was a recipe for being torn apart by a Panthera leo. In over 200 encounters with them he was never harmed ... except three times.

Am I going to be harmed by THEPROS this blizzard ??? Clearly not by Sillyflower. Here's both my reasoning and instinct. First my reasoning..

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 5/12/2013 9:09:13 PM   
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The reasoning is obvious. Sillyflower, the supreme commander and northern force leader, has only 30-35 units "refitting" behind the front; 1/3 in AGN, 2/3 in AGC (red stars.) Belphegor, his vassal and subordinate (Sean clearly praises Sillyflower for tutoring him in WITE) has over 60 similar units in AGS (red stars). The Soviet build-up is in the south. So much the reasoning.

But instinctively I feel that Sillyflower will surrender the blizzard offense to Sean because there has been little action in the south during the first 20 turns. He will give Sean the fun. Also Sillyflower is probably anxtious about his upcoming bout with MT, and since he sees that I am following MT's advice in defending AGN, he will not want to lose confidence in a poor blizzard performance.
I think I'll be spot on.

Will Sean have fun ??? I'm going to watch M60's AAR closely and see how he takes advantage of an over-extended Axis force. I will hopefully pick up on some tactics. My strategy is clearly sound.


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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 5/12/2013 9:24:38 PM   
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"Blind Fury" ??? Disdrunkled Veteran needs to watch a few movies with a clear mind.




Perhaps it is you who doesn't know your man as much. That is indeed the arch-villian from Blind Fury. I'm positive.

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 5/12/2013 9:48:45 PM   
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Nope. The pic is from a screen shot of Raising Arizona,. I was thinking about Flaviusx's comment that my old avatar looked like a caveman. I mentally visualized the image with a blank mind and saw, in descending order of likeness, 1) a Hell's Angel, 2) John the Baptist, 3) premedieval European barbarian, 4) William Wallace, and 5) a Cro-Magnon. Disdrunkled Vet and I can go to Celebration Recovery together.

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 5/12/2013 9:51:18 PM   
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An TURN 20's stats

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A few more tdbits.

1) Arm points.. 87K 2) man pool 102K 3) Hill 124K

2) So many AAR's (really campaign games) stop because of (and I give my Rx following the Dx) 1) burnout... 2/3 moves a week ?? Go slower bros 2) bad play ... you aren't going to get better by quitting 3) boredom for the Axis after turn 17 .... make strategical goals and monitor their progress (I will share more below) and 4) disinterest ,, get to know your opponent. For example in this AAR readers only superficially see my discourse with Sillyflower. We communicate far more personally in e-mails and I have found that he is quite a remakable fellow, IMO

3) Point #3. Maintaing a high average infantry morale is a major strategical focus for me in this game. I've kept the % supply in all infantry units over 30 and lost only a hand full of morale points this turn.. Still at 80.6. I am not bored

4) I went back to Pelton's AAR in his match with MT to pickup on some Axis strategy (I do need to eventually read the rules) and found some interesting stuff. But later.....

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 5/12/2013 9:59:39 PM   
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Nope. The pic is from a screen shot of Raising Arizona,. I was thinking about Flaviusx's comment that my old avatar looked like a caveman. I mentally visualized the image with a blank mind and saw, in descending order of likeness, 1) a Hell's Angel, 2) John the Baptist, 3) premedieval European barbarian, 4) William Wallace, and 5) a Cro-Magnon. Disdrunkled Vet and I can go to Celebration Recovery together.


Lol. Ok so the pic is from Raising Arizona but it is the same guy.

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 5/13/2013 3:32:01 PM   
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Back to Pelton/MT AAR. For the first time (?? correct ???) the issue of the return of injured soldiers to active duty was discussed. Pelton's whole point to the discussion (from my understanding of it) was that German casualties were not reflective of the real situation- casualties would return at a rate of 1 % of the total disabled pool. So in effect, they would eventually all return.


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Pelton's partially correct, but more wrong. At a 1 % replacement, not all disabled will return. If 10,000 Germans are diabled on turn #1, only 4,000 will have returned by the 50 th turn, 6900 by the 100th turn, and 8000 by the 150 th turn !!!

And MT's frustration that the Soviet has only a 0.5% will intensify because a 0.5% return per turn is essentially zippo in light of their great total manpower.

It's like a busines's cash flow. It's nice to be owed money, but it's better to have it in the bank. You will not collect all $$'s from your debtors

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 5/13/2013 7:58:55 PM   
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Back to Pelton/MT AAR. For the first time (?? correct ???) the issue of the return of injured soldiers to active duty was discussed. Pelton's whole point to the discussion (from my understanding of it) was that German casualties were not reflective of the real situation- casualties would return at a rate of 1 % of the total disabled pool. So in effect, they would eventually all return.


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Pelton's partially correct, but more wrong. At a 1 % replacement, not all disabled will return. If 10,000 Germans are diabled on turn #1, only 4,000 will have returned by the 50 th turn, 6900 by the 100th turn, and 8000 by the 150 th turn !!!

And MT's frustration that the Soviet has only a 0.5% will intensify because a 0.5% return per turn is essentially zippo in light of their great total manpower.

It's like a busines's cash flow. It's nice to be owed money, but it's better to have it in the bank. You will not collect all $$'s from your debtors


I think there is a little more math in that forum, JB was better at explaining then me.

1% of the total pool per turn, not 1% of the dudes from turn 1. You can't simply look at a single turn.

by turn 130 your looking at 18,000 returning PLUS the normal 15,000 or 32,000 new replasements per turn by 1943.

So manpower numbers fall for GHC by Jan 1943, but men returning from the pool is pumping up numbers.

GHC manpower realy is increasing every single yr. 1941 -45.




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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 5/13/2013 8:05:15 PM   
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Also your HQ's are -1 per stat below 90%, -2 below 80, -3 below 70 ect ect

You should not be setting GHC HQ's below 91%.

Just delete a few per yr and you get same results with out the penality. You dont need to go nuts like me just a dozon or so

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 5/13/2013 9:55:52 PM   
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Thanks for the info about the HQ. Need to read the rules (second time I've said it, I'm going to keep a count).

The issue Pelton are the losses (disabled) the Germans have (which occur each turn) and how quickly they come back. The perspective you have is that all disabled will come back. That's not true. In fact they come back very, very slowly and some will never come back, even some of those in the pool on the first turn. About 18 % of soldiers in the pool on the first turn will never enter the ranks (at the end of 170 turns). And that percentage grows (slowly) with each passing game turn.

The precise math is complicated, but for the first fifty turns on a weighted scale, only 27-29% of the disabled pool available on turn #1 will impact the game.

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 5/13/2013 11:39:20 PM   
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is raising Arizona the one where they implausibly find a confederate ironclad in Africa or am I getting confused?

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 5/14/2013 2:39:13 AM   
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You are thinking of the movie Sahara with the confederate ironclad.

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 5/14/2013 3:25:24 AM   
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That's "Sahara". It's a super dumb movie (most are) starring Matthew McCon..something (women would know it promptly) and a spanish hottie. I can relate well with Matthew Mc, for he played a pediatrician in "The Wedding Planner" (an outstanding movie until the last 1/4 of the movie, but it had a awesome ending ... my feminine side is showing) who was hit on by a woman with the triple threat (mind,personality, and (of course) body) who he falls unexpectedly in love with. Sillyflower, you know the rest of my story .....

"Raising Arizona" is a slap-stick comedy about a first class loser (Nicholas Cage) and a unhappy single woman (Holly Hunter) who by chance is the police officer who books him three separate times (over a span of time) for felonies that throw him in the pen. They bizarrely marry and inspite of great effort they fail to conceive and (setting the stage for the movie) find she is barren. When a famous Arizona business has quints (twins alone, are a major challenge for most couples ,in my opinion) they steal one and the fun starts. You must see . It's a three thumbs up.

I'm surprised Flaviusx saw it and could not remember Tex Cobb. His character is the heart and soul of the movie. In fact his demise is in the top ten of my favorite movie scenes. I doubt Flavuisx saw it in a good state of mind .. either he was dulled by a substance or frustrated love.



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Well, like I said, my movie going habit back in the college days involved liberal doses of alcohol and other things. The movie theaters were just a few blocks away and easy walking distance from my fraternity, so you can figure out how this worked.









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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 5/14/2013 4:32:10 AM   
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That was so nice about premed in college, you didn't have a lot of energy or time to mess around. Not to say that I didn't do some college dumb stuff. The "Black Watch"( a militaristic band of Scotish bagpies, drums, horns,etc) played at LSU in the spring (???) of 1976. I "heard" that a conniving group of geeks got (stole ??) a recording of their LSU concert, snuck into Tiger Stadium (Death Valley), got into the control center of the PA system (I was not the one who broke the lock) and blasted a tune to the entire Baton Rouge campus at 3 AM. I will not say who's idea it was :) :) :) I wanted to put it on my application to medical school.

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