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Finnish Withdrawal? - 3/17/2013 2:52:16 AM   
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What's with the mass withdrawal of Finnish troops late in '41? Did this happen historically? If so, where did these divisions go? The Fins start out strong, but after these withdrawals and a little combat, Finnish manpower just dwindles. After the '41 Blizzard, it's difficult to use them effectively.
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RE: Finnish Withdrawal? - 3/17/2013 8:00:07 AM   
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Yes, on summer 41 Finland mobilized 630 000 men and women, which was an unsustainable level for country with population of 3.7 million. After realizing that the war was going to be long one, the Finnish High Command pared down the numbers to such levels that were possible to maintain for the longer haul. More empasis was put on heavy weaponry and all operations were weighted upon the perceived need to conserve manpower.

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RE: Finnish Withdrawal? - 3/17/2013 8:08:51 AM   
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in addition, if somebody wonders about the discrepancy in numbers between WitE and my 630 000 at summer 41, it is because the bigger number includes also such personnel that was not in the armed forces, but on the myriad support services. As far as I can tell, WitE numbers are well reasearched and quite historical.

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RE: Finnish Withdrawal? - 3/17/2013 8:23:14 AM   
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Wow, that's almost 20% of the Finnish population. Full mobilization in WW2 tended to top off around 10%.

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RE: Finnish Withdrawal? - 3/17/2013 2:26:48 PM   
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Which was why the Finns had to cut back. Their economy just could not take it. It is also why the Finns manpower pool is so tight. Also recall that the Finns had fought a war of survival during the Winter of 39/40 where they maintained the 20% mobilization for most of that war. So this was their second major call up in a matter of a few years and the economy was just too fragile to sustain it.

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RE: Finnish Withdrawal? - 3/17/2013 4:15:56 PM   
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Which was why the Finns had to cut back. Their economy just could not take it. It is also why the Finns manpower pool is so tight. Also recall that the Finns had fought a war of survival during the Winter of 39/40 where they maintained the 20% mobilization for most of that war. So this was their second major call up in a matter of a few years and the economy was just too fragile to sustain it.


IIRC it was around September that the switch to a conservative defense began. After a few brief campaigns in 42 the Finnish front was as good as dead until around 06/44. The Soviets stripped the Finnish front of most of its units because the Western Powers brow beat the Finns into complacency by threatening to leave them at the Soviets mercy post-war so the Soviets knew the Finns wouldn't attack them.

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RE: Finnish Withdrawal? - 3/17/2013 5:32:58 PM   
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Some of the Finnish units withdrawn come back later as other units as well. I think the Jager and cav units were withdrawn and then reformed into a armored division later.

Some of the units withdrawn were also sent further north to support the offensive towards the Murmansk railroad junction to Archangel.

And of course, as noted, several formations were demobilized.

The front became fairly static and the Finns were not going to really do anything more until the Germans had captured Leningrad to free up Finnish units that were employed in static positions on the Karelian front.

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