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Allied mines kill allied ships - 3/17/2013 1:11:28 AM   
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Life seems to be full of new lessons.

As the allies, in invaded in a non-base hex and then laid mines in the invasion hex with some Dutch minlayers (as I normally do). I lost 3 ships to allied mines in that hex on the turn I laid them. I obviously am missing something here. Can anyone explain where I am missing the mark?

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RE: Allied mines kill allied ships - 3/17/2013 1:12:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: topeverest

Life seems to be full of new lessons.

As the allies, in invaded in a non-base hex and then laid mines in the invasion hex with some Dutch minlayers (as I normally do). I lost 3 ships to allied mines in that hex on the turn I laid them. I obviously am missing something here. Can anyone explain where I am missing the mark?

Thanks,


You aren't. Own mines can sometimes sink own ships. Minefileds aren't exact.

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RE: Allied mines kill allied ships - 3/17/2013 1:22:36 AM   
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Lay mines in a base owned by you: sometimes they sink your ships but usually they sink his ships
Lay mines in a non-base hex: sometimes they sink your ships, sometimes they sink his ships
Lay mines in a base hex own by him: sometimes they sink your ships (usually when you go back to thicken the minefield), sometimes they sink his ships
Start in a base hex owned by you last turn with mines in place but he takes base with ground forces: they sink your ships but not his.

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RE: Allied mines kill allied ships - 3/17/2013 1:52:55 AM   
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Mines have no minds......

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RE: Allied mines kill allied ships - 3/17/2013 9:54:31 AM   
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After many friendly mining incidents I have a simple little rule, not shipping movements in a mined hex for 2 days. Don't know why, but after those 2 days the number of mining's seems to drop significantly.

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RE: Allied mines kill allied ships - 3/17/2013 7:16:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DivePac88

After many friendly mining incidents I have a simple little rule, not shipping movements in a mined hex for 2 days. Don't know why, but after those 2 days the number of mining's seems to drop significantly.


After two days of discussions the mermaids cement the mooring cables to the sea floor and all is well. I was told this by a Navy mineman, so it must be true.

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RE: Allied mines kill allied ships - 3/17/2013 9:03:45 PM   
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Real sorry Moose... but mermaids aren't real. Another invention of Hollywood or Coca Cola, to sell movies and other stuff. I myself think the reason is mine mental fatigue, which causes mine depression and stops it working.

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RE: Allied mines kill allied ships - 3/17/2013 9:29:37 PM   
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Real sorry Moose... but mermaids aren't real. Another invention of Hollywood or Coca Cola, to sell movies and other stuff. I myself think the reason is mine mental fatigue, which causes mine depression and stops it working.


Hey! I saw a mermaid in a movie once! And on the Internets! They must be real!

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RE: Allied mines kill allied ships - 3/17/2013 9:37:04 PM   
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quote:

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Real sorry Moose... but mermaids aren't real. Another invention of Hollywood or Coca Cola, to sell movies and other stuff. I myself think the reason is mine mental fatigue, which causes mine depression and stops it working.


Hey! I saw a mermaid in a movie once! And on the Internets! They must be real!


My God Moose... then it must be real.

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RE: Allied mines kill allied ships - 3/17/2013 9:42:54 PM   
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I mined an enemy base that I was attacking and then lost two of my British DDs when running in to bombard. Sometimes it is not a good idea to mine the enemy....

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RE: Allied mines kill allied ships - 3/17/2013 10:40:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DivePac88


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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58


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Real sorry Moose... but mermaids aren't real. Another invention of Hollywood or Coca Cola, to sell movies and other stuff. I myself think the reason is mine mental fatigue, which causes mine depression and stops it working.


Hey! I saw a mermaid in a movie once! And on the Internets! They must be real!


My God Moose... then it must be real.


Mermaids probably are real. Just not sure about Bullwinkle.

I've always believed mines degrade over time due to exposure to all those coffee grounds dumped overboard from Navy ships. Makes the water acidic and rots their innards.

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RE: Allied mines kill allied ships - 3/18/2013 1:14:45 AM   
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See, I knew that the movie "Splash" was real. I had doubts about Boris, but knew that Rocket J Squirrel and Bullwinkle weren't.

I hate mines because they don't like me.

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RE: Allied mines kill allied ships - 3/18/2013 8:27:31 AM   
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I love mines, and lay them every-time I can. So much so that when I really need some, my mine pools are normally empty. I just don't put them anywhere, that I'm going to be having a lot of shipping movements.

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RE: Allied mines kill allied ships - 3/18/2013 1:35:16 PM   
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See, I knew that the movie "Splash" was real. I had doubts about Boris, but knew that Rocket J Squirrel and Bullwinkle weren't.

I hate mines because they don't like me.


Ah, you kids today with your "Splashies." In my day we had REAL mermaids. Here's a photo I saw in my childhood. The guy was a US Navy mineman. (This Is No S**t.) ("How do you tell a sea story from a fairy tale? (tm))






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RE: Allied mines kill allied ships - 3/18/2013 2:54:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58


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ORIGINAL: tocaff

See, I knew that the movie "Splash" was real. I had doubts about Boris, but knew that Rocket J Squirrel and Bullwinkle weren't.

I hate mines because they don't like me.


Ah, you kids today with your "Splashies." In my day we had REAL mermaids. Here's a photo I saw in my childhood. The guy was a US Navy mineman. (This Is No S**t.) ("How do you tell a sea story from a fairy tale? (tm))








This confirms my suspicions, that Bullwinkle is actually 86 years old..

Who is the woman? At first I though she was a very young Donna Reed. Lovely.

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RE: Allied mines kill allied ships - 3/18/2013 4:12:37 PM   
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Ann Blythe. I should have made the photo a movie trivia post.

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RE: Allied mines kill allied ships - 3/18/2013 5:02:17 PM   
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Real sorry Moose... but mermaids aren't real. Another invention of Hollywood or Coca Cola, to sell movies and other stuff. I myself think the reason is mine mental fatigue, which causes mine depression and stops it working.

Well mermads were real once, but they died out since they only have oral sex.

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RE: Allied mines kill allied ships - 3/18/2013 7:30:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: topeverest

Life seems to be full of new lessons.

As the allies, in invaded in a non-base hex and then laid mines in the invasion hex with some Dutch minlayers (as I normally do). I lost 3 ships to allied mines in that hex on the turn I laid them. I obviously am missing something here. Can anyone explain where I am missing the mark?

Thanks,



Clearly the sneaky dutch turned on you!


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RE: Allied mines kill allied ships - 3/18/2013 8:17:58 PM   
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Mines have no minds......


Reminds me of a story I wrote during Co-operative Best Effort '99

"The mine is the perfect soldier ... it stays exactly where you put it until it does it's job".

But unfortunately, mines can't tell friend from foe, or peace from war.

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RE: Allied mines kill allied ships - 3/18/2013 10:02:39 PM   
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I'm running huge convoys in and out of mined Japanese ports, and have been doing so for over a month now. Not a single "friendly fire" issue. Does it make a difference if the mines are at the start and/or end point of a journey, as opposed to hexes you are transiting through? Does the presence of ACMs make a difference? Back when I was running Allied convoys, I had the same experience (i.e. no incidents), and there too it was all cases of start/finish in mined ports.

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RE: Allied mines kill allied ships - 3/19/2013 3:16:27 PM   
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I mined the hell out of Port Moresby a few months ago, but me and my opponent take weekly breaks - life and other things. I usually keep a notepad of all the stuff I do, except I forgot to write down "Mined Port M"..

So my lovely tankers were following my CVs, yesterday I started my game up - fresh coffee in hand, ready to play - I moved my CV's to Darwin with tankers in 6 hex TOW, I had them stop off at Shortlands and Moresby for some quick fuel..


BOOM.
BOOM..
BOOM...
BOOM....

Three tankers and one CV's got hit. Lexington of course gets 50% flood damage, the three tankers were part of my FAST tanker group, since the KB caught my slow fleet im literally down to 4 tankers total now.

I wish Allies had the option to refit more ships IF needed (even if it takes a few months its worth it) for example a Tanker to AO.

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RE: Allied mines kill allied ships - 3/19/2013 4:34:30 PM   
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The man in Moose's mermaid photo is William Powell.  He played "Doc" in Mr. Roberts.  At first I thought the mermaid was Priscilla Lane, but Moose says its Ann Blythe.

Man, the stars of the '30s to '50s were something!  They probably had nearly as many warts as today's stars have, but media discretion was a different game in those days, so we didn't hear about them.  Suits me.  My obscure (today, at least) starlett of the day is Margarett Lockwood. 

As for mining, as we all know Allied shipping running afoul of Allied mines happened pretty often.  On one occasion a big convoy returning from Murmansk was led into a field near Iceland.  Many ships damaged and I think a few sunk.  The government had to spin that one pretty hard.




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RE: Allied mines kill allied ships - 3/19/2013 6:17:00 PM   
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The man in Moose's mermaid photo is William Powell.  He played "Doc" in Mr. Roberts.  At first I thought the mermaid was Priscilla Lane, but Moose says its Ann Blythe.

As for mining, as we all know Allied shipping running afoul of Allied mines happened pretty often.  On one occasion a big convoy returning from Murmansk was led into a field near Iceland.  Many ships damaged and I think a few sunk.  The government had to spin that one pretty hard.




Yep. The movie was "Mr. Peabody and the Mermaid." (1948) They used to show it when I was a kid in the 60s. B&W, but so was our TV.

Mines are cool. The game models them pretty well IMO. Moored mines drift and drag moorings, break loose and float, etc. in real life. And they aren't always laid that carefully, nor are minefields always charted by expert cartographers. They're dangerous beasts to friend and foe.

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