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The Vietnam War in Wargames? - 3/16/2013 8:57:22 AM   
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I'm frankly surprised that no one, as far as I know, has updated Microprose's "Conflict in Vietnam" game, which I thought was a great one. This was one of my faves from the C-64 era, and featured battles from 1954-1972. The documentation with this game was superb, and yes I still own it, but it doesn't translate very well to PC. I no longer have a working C-64, but if I have to, I'll try to find one. I'd owned three of those machines, but they don't seem to age well for some reason.

Anyway, it seems that Vietnam games in the PC era draw a huge blank -- why is that? Sure, it was a controversial war, but that still doesn't explain the lack of interest as a military conflict.

The Microprose game explored the difference in tactics as employed by the NVA/VC and their ability to negate the overwhelming firepower of the USA & its allies. The Ia Drang scenario was one of the most intiguing, as the NVA tended to disappear into the jungle and frustrate the Americans' attempts to corner them and blast them into oblivion. When on the attack, the NVA's "hugging the belt" aproach often worked well when American/South Vietnamese units were strung out and could be worn down or destroyed bit by bit.

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RE: The Vietnam War in Wargames? - 3/16/2013 11:41:03 AM   
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John Tiller did a Squad Battles game on Dien Bien Phu, which was Vietnam before the US got there.

I guess the conclusion is that asymmetrical warfare doesn't lend itself to wargaming easily.

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RE: The Vietnam War in Wargames? - 3/16/2013 2:23:47 PM   
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KG,

The absolutely best treatment of the Vietnam War is Boonierat's 14 volume series Vietnam Combat Operations for TOAW III. Single player only from the US/ARVN side, it is awesome.

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RE: The Vietnam War in Wargames? - 3/16/2013 2:53:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Zorch

John Tiller did a Squad Battles game on Dien Bien Phu, which was Vietnam before the US got there.

I guess the conclusion is that asymmetrical warfare doesn't lend itself to wargaming easily.
warspite1

Trying to think of the bast way to phrase a response - but can't do better than yours which sums it up nicely;

"asymmetrical warfare doesn't lend itself to wargaming easily".

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RE: The Vietnam War in Wargames? - 3/16/2013 2:55:22 PM   
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Campaign series have Modern Wars coming at some time, which is a progression of the old Divided Ground disc and has a substantial Vietnam section. Modern Wars volume one http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3162153

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RE: The Vietnam War in Wargames? - 3/16/2013 4:32:06 PM   
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There are some great Vietnam scenarios for TOAW III, including at least one that covers pretty much the whole war.

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RE: The Vietnam War in Wargames? - 3/16/2013 4:33:06 PM   
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WinSPMBT has related scenarios too.

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RE: The Vietnam War in Wargames? - 3/16/2013 11:02:38 PM   
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quote:

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KG,

The absolutely best treatment of the Vietnam War is Boonierat's 14 volume series Vietnam Combat Operations for TOAW III. Single player only from the US/ARVN side, it is awesome.

Best wishes,
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I'll second this

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RE: The Vietnam War in Wargames? - 3/16/2013 11:55:31 PM   
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What about the Korean conflict i think the only one i can recall is toawIII

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RE: The Vietnam War in Wargames? - 3/17/2013 2:20:35 AM   
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Mikes mod for campaign series covered it.
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3082023

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RE: The Vietnam War in Wargames? - 3/17/2013 1:21:24 PM   
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Let's face the facts guys.

You may twist and turn and scratch you heads. You may resurrect dead memories of games long since turned to dust but:-

Whatever you war gaming needs, whatever you heart most earnestly desires - the answer is TOAW.

The answer is always TOAW.

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RE: The Vietnam War in Wargames? - 3/17/2013 2:27:23 PM   
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quote:

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What about the Korean conflict i think the only one i can recall is toawIII

HPS Squad Battles has a Korean game. Infact HPS SB series covers alot of the more minor wars...which is admirable..even if the series drives me mad as it's about two features or changes away from being the best tactical series made, yet those changes will never happen.

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RE: The Vietnam War in Wargames? - 3/17/2013 3:14:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Zorch

John Tiller did a Squad Battles game on Dien Bien Phu, which was Vietnam before the US got there.

I guess the conclusion is that asymmetrical warfare doesn't lend itself to wargaming easily.



There are two (historically) later ones as well, Vietnam and Tour of Duty.

Seconded on Boonierat's stuff. It's high quality, although 'best' in isolation admittedly doesn't mean much as it's pretty much an 'only' as well.

A WiTP style (or as near as you can get) Vietnam game has been at the top of my PC wargaming want list for years. Just wish there was more of a market for it.

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RE: The Vietnam War in Wargames? - 3/17/2013 5:46:31 PM   
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quote:

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What about the Korean conflict i think the only one i can recall is toawIII

It's been around ever since TOAW1. It is sole scenario in demo, and one review calls that alone as worthy of full priced game.
(Review didn't tell about demo's lack of documentation and lack of save & load functions)

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RE: The Vietnam War in Wargames? - 3/17/2013 7:27:24 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: barkorn45

What about the Korean conflict i think the only one i can recall is toawIII


There is another, but I don't recall specifics -- I think maybe by Norm Koger? and maybe title was Korea? I'll try to find it.

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RE: The Vietnam War in Wargames? - 3/17/2013 8:56:55 PM   
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There's the old SSI game conflict Korea,think that was Norm Kogers.

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RE: The Vietnam War in Wargames? - 3/17/2013 10:58:10 PM   
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I really liked " Conflict in Vietnam " and Micropose's other wargames.

It was the only computer game I know of that had a U.S. airstrike in Dien Bien Phu.

Which in reality came very close to happening.

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RE: The Vietnam War in Wargames? - 3/18/2013 1:35:57 AM   
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There was a DOS-based game a back in the 80s that I played a couple times. Don't remember much about it, but the subject matter was consistent with this thread:






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RE: The Vietnam War in Wargames? - 3/18/2013 12:57:44 PM   
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RE: The Vietnam War in Wargames? - 3/19/2013 2:18:22 AM   
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There's an educational game called Escalation that is more online class than game and puts you in the role of Johnston which I found fun.

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