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ORIGINAL: dazkaz15

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ORIGINAL: Arjuna

BigDuke66,

In RL no good commander would change the orders after the troops have crossed the assault line. By that time the die is cast and you should just wait. If you do change the order then the attack will be replanned and yes you will end up back at the FUP if you had assigned one. My advice is to pause and issue the attack orders with all the setting you desire, then let it be.

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ORIGINAL: BigDuke66

Now a point I don't look thru, I adjusted some values(As far as I can see just ONLY Aggro, ROF, Ammo) for a bat. attack and as these new orders arrive with the attack already rolling the 3 companies attacking get the order to fall back to the FUP for a reorg task, I can't imagine that it should work that way, shouldn't these kind of adjustments be put into the rolling attack "on the fly"?

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From Manual

Some other situations which generally don¡¦t cause replans or incur orders delay are listed below. The list isn¡¦t complete, so there is still room for you to experiment and discover some of this for yourself, but in general anything not specifically mentioned below will probably incur orders delay.

Move or Defend Orders
„b Changing Speed, Route, Aggro, ROF, and Losses
„b Changing Frontage, Depth, and Facing
„b Changing Formation, except for In-Situ, which does incur orders delay

Attack or Probe Orders
„b Changing Speed, Route, ROF, and Losses
„b Changing Frontage, Depth, or Facing
„b Changing Formation (except for In-Situ) during the move to FUP, or sometimes (but not always) during the assault

You might need to do some more tests to see if there was not something else going on BigDuke, because as far as I case see from the manual, you should not have needed a replan, unless it was the agro change?

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ORIGINAL: wodin

Daz what movement is the HQ foot or wheeled..if wheeled the HQ might not be able to get there due to impassable terrain..?

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ORIGINAL: BigDuke66

At least for now a high ROF setting isn't advisable at all. Saw some companies also burn away their ammo with this setting and being not really useful after that.

I wonder if there isn't a chance for redistribution of ammo under units that are making an attack together, I saw some battalion attacks were 1 company runs into an enemy company and burns away its ammo while the other companies don't meet the enemy and so still have plenty of ammo left.
Or what about a re-planing of the attack in such cases, units still attacking while being out of ammo doesn't make much sense so letting them switch to at least defend seems necessary, that is more or less what the player also does because if he pulls out such companies on the attack the whole attack gets re-planed anyway so maybe an automatic rearrangement while attacking would be good here.

At least I would prefer are redistribution of ammo.

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ORIGINAL: jimcarravallah

The issue you experience isn't that far removed from real world operations.

Sound supply support planning requires allocating sufficient stowage space to carry an amount of supplies for "normal" combat operations from the time the unit enters combat until it can be included in its higher headquarters' next "regular" resupply cycle.

For most heavy units, resupply is on a 12 or 24 hour "standard" cycle with special deliveries for emergency requests (limited by the amount of supplies on hand and the amount of transport needed to meet emergency needs).

So, a lag on receiving "new" supplies for several hours after arrival on the battlefield is "normal" though not desirable if the arriving unit expends all its ammo and fuel in the first hour of operation.

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ORIGINAL: jimcarravallah

The issue you experience isn't that far removed from real world operations.

Sound supply support planning requires allocating sufficient stowage space to carry an amount of supplies for "normal" combat operations from the time the unit enters combat until it can be included in its higher headquarters' next "regular" resupply cycle.

For most heavy units, resupply is on a 12 or 24 hour "standard" cycle with special deliveries for emergency requests (limited by the amount of supplies on hand and the amount of transport needed to meet emergency needs).

So, a lag on receiving "new" supplies for several hours after arrival on the battlefield is "normal" though not desirable if the arriving unit expends all its ammo and fuel in the first hour of operation.

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ORIGINAL: loyalcitizen

I am playing the latest .258 patch and the scenario All-American Over Nijmegen ...

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ORIGINAL: Joe D.

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ORIGINAL: loyalcitizen

I am playing the latest .258 patch and the scenario All-American Over Nijmegen ...

I thought that the latest Beta build doesn't address the HttR add-on until it becomes officially Patch 4 and all the kinks are worked out?

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ORIGINAL: loyalcitizen

All-American Over Nijmegen is now over. The Somerchen objective in the suburbs of Nijmegen has overwhelming Allied forces, yet I do not get ownership of the objective? I certainly have WAY more than 10 times the combat power of the single German unit in the area. Please help me understand why the objective isn't under my control.

Real men go to war on Real tanks

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ORIGINAL: Rock64

Navwarcol you must have missed this post by Dave

"I agree that once that UK unit does recover then yes he can call in arty support. But I don't think that is a bad thing. Each company commander would be capable of calling in arty fire or would have a Forward Observer."

It's not an accurate statement. TO&E would have a FO and a artillery radio or two, but according to the greenbook, the majority of the missions were called in over wire.

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ORIGINAL: BigDuke66

Nothing big but maybe these typos in the estab could be corrected:
12,8cm PjK 80 L/55
7.5cm PjK 42 L/70

10,5cm StuH 42 L/28 ammo is mixed up, AP ammo in the Aper slot and HE rounds in the Aarm slot.

What's the 12.2cm HE there for? No weapon uses it.

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ORIGINAL: BigDuke66

Well I never heard of a Pjk, it's either KwK for Kampfwagenkanone or PaK for Panzerabwehrkanone.
The KwK is usually mounted in a tank while to PaK is either as a standalone gun or mounted into a tank Destroyer.
See a small overview here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kampfwagenkanone
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerabwehrkanone

Regarding the Russian artillery, not sure what Germany used as AT ammo for it or if it still had an AT capability at all.
If it still had AT capability I doubt that the values of the 12,8 can be use as that gun was coming from a PAK development where already real AP ammunition was produced while the Russian type 12,2 used HEAT as anti-tank ammo.
And in case the 12,8 ammo was used as base to make all the performance values of course those have to be redone too, it's not enough to simply change that ammo to 12,2 that doesn't alter any of the guns performance values.

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ORIGINAL: BigDuke66

Indeed, but the short form of Panzerjagdkanone or Panzerjägerkanone still seems to be PaK, so if an abbreviation is used it should stick to the usual scheme and don't invent new ones.