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Stalingrad is back - 3/12/2013 8:20:25 PM   
DicedT

 

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Status: offline 		David Glantz and Anthony Beevor, two of the top Eastern Front historians, on Russia's decision to bring back the name Stalingrad: http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelpeck/2013/03/12/802/
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RE: Stalingrad is back - 3/12/2013 9:48:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why not? The name Stalingrad has become a symbol for an epic struggle which will last forever in the remembrance of Russians and Germans likewise.

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RE: Stalingrad is back - 3/12/2013 9:54:21 PM   
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RE: Stalingrad is back - 3/12/2013 10:41:28 PM   
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RE: Stalingrad is back - 3/12/2013 11:18:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Terminus

How easily people forget how evil that man was.



Indeed, those holding up his pictures and waving flags in his honour () would probably be the first ones sent to the Gulag camps.
A cruel man indeed, but like this Charles Manson guy, has his followers too (double )

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RE: Stalingrad is back - 3/12/2013 11:22:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Terminus

How easily people forget how evil that man was.


I really think this is about the city of Stalingrad and its history under that name and nothing to do with Stalin the man.

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RE: Stalingrad is back - 3/12/2013 11:25:58 PM   
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RE: Stalingrad is back - 3/13/2013 8:13:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I do think "Stalingrad" rolls of the English speaking tongue better than "Volgograd".

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RE: Stalingrad is back - 3/14/2013 11:22:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Terminus

Yes, because those two things have NOTHING to do with one another.

I understand what you're getting at Terminus, and I"ll admit I'm very uncomfortable with the idea.

However, Wolfe is also correct in that you can respect & honor what happened there *without* honoring the monster the city was named after.




It does make me wonder, though (hypothetical example): If the western Allies had won a great victory at a town that used to be called "Hitlerville", how would we feel about it...?



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RE: Stalingrad is back - 3/14/2013 11:53:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here in Germany they are having similar disputes.

Hindenburgplatz, Hindenburg Straße, they are being renamed too. Because even though Hindenburg won a great victory at Tannenberg in WW1 and was a political leader, he gave the complete power to Adolf Hitler. Now historians have brought to light, that he did know what what he was doing and what Adolf was really like. So no public streets, squares, lanes or whatsoever should bear his name. And that is 68 years after the 3rd Reich was destroyed.

Stalingrad name was changed as was Lenningrad. Was Lennin just as bad as Stalin? Or did a modern USSR want to change the names for namesake?

Anybody have any real answers?


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RE: Stalingrad is back - 3/14/2013 11:03:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		I didn't know that was happening in Germany, I think that's going a little to far to start renaming things just b/c Hindenburg was President. lets not forget that looking back in time is always 20/20. In 1933, no TV, Internet, a Gov't controlled media, citizens rarely traveled outside their own country or even their own town and a host of other issues. World War 1 was a fiasco with all sides to blame and a corrupt European system.

Kruschev wanted to wipe away everything that was Stalin including Stalingrad. Perhaps, keeping the name of Stalingrad will increase the tourism industry, prob a good move, capitalism at its best, gotta love it,

By the way, Hindenburg's son Oskar had a big role in the entire fiasco of the Hitler appointment along with Kurt von Scleicher. One of the best books on this from my book shelf THE BEST http://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Thirty-Days-Power-January/dp/B000JZBA28

If you read this book you will have a clear understanding of the entire episode and its not that simple.

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RE: Stalingrad is back - 3/14/2013 11:45:40 PM   
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RE: Stalingrad is back - 3/14/2013 11:47:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: wodin

The name change is only temp remember.
warspite1

Why are they calling it temp? I think they should leave it as Volgograd or even re-name as Stalingrad or Tsaritsyn...but temp? that's a rubbish name.

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RE: Stalingrad is back - 3/14/2013 11:50:13 PM   
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