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ORIGINAL: parusski

ckammp regurgitates American Hater talking points

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wealthy business owners

That says it all. Dear God. Do you or have you worked for a living? If so I want you to tell us, was your boss/people who paid you POOR??? I bet not. What am I implying? Duh, without wealthy business owners who the hell would pay people??

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ORIGINAL: Will_L

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ORIGINAL: parusski

I can't imagine why no one realizes that SLAAKMAN is actually George W. Bush, according to many of a certain political BENT to be the most evil human to ever live. In 1551 S. Ambrose discovered Brazilian Peanut butter and that changed history. Everyone knows that all evil is rooted in something. Evil comes from THERE. I am not ranting. Go repair my toilet, it leaks urine from Barry Goldwater and Barrack Hussein Obummer. Hey, you kids get off my damned lawn. George Bush was given the presidency on the day of his birth, by Michael Corleone. And then I discovered someone had stolen my gold eagle coins to pay for SLAAKMAN's plastic surgery. Anyway, I hate ranting conspiracy nuts.

And here I thought he was Lyndon Larouche in disguise

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ORIGINAL: ckammp

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ORIGINAL: parusski

ckammp regurgitates American Hater talking points

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wealthy business owners

That says it all. Dear God. Do you or have you worked for a living? If so I want you to tell us, was your boss/people who paid you POOR??? I bet not. What am I implying? Duh, without wealthy business owners who the hell would pay people??

Your damn right I work for a living. What the hell do you do? Judging by the amount of time you spend writing inane bullshit in these forums, I'm guessing you have a lot of time on your hands, like the typical lazy freeloaders you claim to loathe.
Those "wealthy business owners" wanted a revolution not for their workers' sake, but to have the freedom to tax themselves, rather than have a distant government tax them. And what do you think they did when they won? Set up legal exemptions for themselves and passed on the taxes to the workers. The same principle applies today. If you think whatever wealthy business owner who supposedly pays your salary really gives a damn whether or not you have a job, you are even more deluded than a Democrat.

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WOW.

But, my boss is a billionaire and he pays me for a job I do. He also employee's 8,800 other people. He deserves everything he earns.

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ORIGINAL: parusski

But, my boss is a billionaire and he pays me for a job I do. He also employee's 8,800 other people. He deserves everything he earns.

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ORIGINAL: ckammp
Your damn right I work for a living. What the hell do you do? Judging by the amount of time you spend writing inane bullshit in these forums, I'm guessing you have a lot of time on your hands, like the typical lazy freeloaders you claim to loathe.
Those "wealthy business owners" wanted a revolution not for their workers' sake, but to have the freedom to tax themselves, rather than have a distant government tax them. And what do you think they did when they won? Set up legal exemptions for themselves and passed on the taxes to the workers. The same principle applies today. If you think whatever wealthy business owner who supposedly pays your salary really gives a damn whether or not you have a job, you are even more deluded than a Democrat.

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ORIGINAL: barkorn45

We are the only country on earth where the "poor"have an obesity problem!

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ORIGINAL: MrRoadrunner

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ORIGINAL: ckammp
Your damn right I work for a living. What the hell do you do? Judging by the amount of time you spend writing inane bullshit in these forums, I'm guessing you have a lot of time on your hands, like the typical lazy freeloaders you claim to loathe.
Those "wealthy business owners" wanted a revolution not for their workers' sake, but to have the freedom to tax themselves, rather than have a distant government tax them. And what do you think they did when they won? Set up legal exemptions for themselves and passed on the taxes to the workers. The same principle applies today. If you think whatever wealthy business owner who supposedly pays your salary really gives a damn whether or not you have a job, you are even more deluded than a Democrat.

Intellectually vapid. A clear representation of socialist/progressive historical thought.

You have no knowledge of the "real history" of the American Revolution. Or, the founding principles of the country.
Do some research? When did taxes enter the picture? Especially the progressive income tax.

Politicians should be your targets. Even those who are not wealthy seem to be willing to make themselves rich and the entire country poor for the power they believe is put into their hands. (Both D's and R's).
Sadly, we have gotten so far away from where the true power resides (THE PEOPLE), and have been fed "the wealthy are the enemy" bovine excreta line so often, that our citizens have let themselves be legislated to the class of sheep. It's easy to get people on your side when you go against "them" (not just the rich but other who are not you).

Serfs lorded over by the ruling class. That is why we had a revolution in the first place?

The truth is that no poor person ever created and sustained a single job. The majority of employment comes from small business owners. Most of our poor are considered rich by world standards.

A lot of the early "wealthy" founding fathers ended up dead, their families dead, or poor. "Lives, fortunes, and sacred honor" meant something to them. Little to some today.

This discussion started off with "un-historical" "facts". It is being sustained by it too.
My two cents.

Nice discussion.

RR

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the early "wealthy" founding fathers ended up dead, their families dead, or poor. "Lives, fortunes, and sacred honor" meant something to them. Little to some today.

This discussion started off with "un-historical" "facts". It is being sustained by it too.
My two cents.

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Chickenboy, still starry eyed over warspite1 babbles:

Quite right Parusski, old bean. Now, as my loyal and faithful servant, please walk the dog and pick up the mail on your way out. Oh-put out my dinner coat and tails before you go, please.

ETA: As a term of your continued employment, please ensure that I never meet SLAAKMAN in person.

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barkorn45 attempts to confuse certain people with facts:

We are the only country on earth where the "poor"have an obesity problem!

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ORIGINAL: parusski
Excellent refutation Mr. Rr. You win one loaf of bread.

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ORIGINAL: MrRoadrunner

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ORIGINAL: ckammp
Your damn right I work for a living. What the hell do you do? Judging by the amount of time you spend writing inane bullshit in these forums, I'm guessing you have a lot of time on your hands, like the typical lazy freeloaders you claim to loathe.
Those "wealthy business owners" wanted a revolution not for their workers' sake, but to have the freedom to tax themselves, rather than have a distant government tax them. And what do you think they did when they won? Set up legal exemptions for themselves and passed on the taxes to the workers. The same principle applies today. If you think whatever wealthy business owner who supposedly pays your salary really gives a damn whether or not you have a job, you are even more deluded than a Democrat.

Intellectually vapid. A clear representation of socialist/progressive historical thought.

You have no knowledge of the "real history" of the American Revolution. Or, the founding principles of the country.
Do some research? When did taxes enter the picture? Especially the progressive income tax.

Politicians should be your targets. Even those who are not wealthy seem to be willing to make themselves rich and the entire country poor for the power they believe is put into their hands. (Both D's and R's).
Sadly, we have gotten so far away from where the true power resides (THE PEOPLE), and have been fed "the wealthy are the enemy" bovine excreta line so often, that our citizens have let themselves be legislated to the class of sheep. It's easy to get people on your side when you go against "them" (not just the rich but other who are not you).

Serfs lorded over by the ruling class. That is why we had a revolution in the first place?

The truth is that no poor person ever created and sustained a single job. The majority of employment comes from small business owners. Most of our poor are considered rich by world standards.

A lot of the early "wealthy" founding fathers ended up dead, their families dead, or poor. "Lives, fortunes, and sacred honor" meant something to them. Little to some today.

This discussion started off with "un-historical" "facts". It is being sustained by it too.
My two cents.

Nice discussion.

RR

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ORIGINAL: MrRoadrunner

I think it is you that may need to go back to the rear area for some training?

RR

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Can I ask both sides in this interesting argument for their favourite, one-volume book of choice on the subject please?

Many thanks.

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John Robison (1739–1805) was a Scottish physicist and mathematician. He was a professor of philosophy at the University of Edinburgh. A member of the Edinburgh Philosophical Society when it received its royal warrant, he was appointed as the first General Secretary to the Royal Society of Edinburgh. Robison invented the siren and also worked with James Watt on an early steam car. Following the French Revolution, Robison became disenchanted with elements of the Enlightenment. He authored Proofs of a Conspiracy in 1797—a polemic accusing Freemasonry of being infiltrated by Weishaupt's Order of the Illuminati. Robison and French priest Abbé Barruel independently developed similar views that the Illuminati had infiltrated Continental Freemasonry, leading to the excesses of the French Revolution. In 1798, the Reverend G. W. Snyder sent Robison's book to George Washington for his thoughts on the subject in which he replied to him in his Letter to the Reverend G. W. Snyder (24 October 1798). Modern conspiracy theorists like Nesta Webster and William Guy Carr believe that Robison's book described what the Illuminati may have started was the template for the subversion of otherwise benign organizations by radical groups through the 19th and 20th centuries. Spiritual Counterfeits Project editor Tal Brooke has compared the views of Proofs of a Conspiracy with those found in Carroll Quigley's Tragedy and Hope (Macmillan, 1966). Brooke suggests that the new world order, which Robison believed Adam Weishaupt (founder of the Illuminati) had in part accomplished through the infiltration of Freemasonry, will now be completed by those holding sway over the international banking system (e.g., by means of the Rothschilds' banks, Federal Reserve, IMF, and World Bank).

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ORIGINAL: SLAAKMAN

W1,

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Can I ask both sides in this interesting argument for their favourite, one-volume book of choice on the subject please?

Many thanks.

Proofs of a Conspiracy Against All the Religions and Governments of Europe Carried on in the Secret Meetings of Freemasons, Illuminati and Reading Societies (c.1798)

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John Robison (1739–1805) was a Scottish physicist and mathematician. He was a professor of philosophy at the University of Edinburgh. A member of the Edinburgh Philosophical Society when it received its royal warrant, he was appointed as the first General Secretary to the Royal Society of Edinburgh. Robison invented the siren and also worked with James Watt on an early steam car. Following the French Revolution, Robison became disenchanted with elements of the Enlightenment. He authored Proofs of a Conspiracy in 1797—a polemic accusing Freemasonry of being infiltrated by Weishaupt's Order of the Illuminati. Robison and French priest Abbé Barruel independently developed similar views that the Illuminati had infiltrated Continental Freemasonry, leading to the excesses of the French Revolution. In 1798, the Reverend G. W. Snyder sent Robison's book to George Washington for his thoughts on the subject in which he replied to him in his Letter to the Reverend G. W. Snyder (24 October 1798). Modern conspiracy theorists like Nesta Webster and William Guy Carr believe that Robison's book described what the Illuminati may have started was the template for the subversion of otherwise benign organizations by radical groups through the 19th and 20th centuries. Spiritual Counterfeits Project editor Tal Brooke has compared the views of Proofs of a Conspiracy with those found in Carroll Quigley's Tragedy and Hope (Macmillan, 1966). Brooke suggests that the new world order, which Robison believed Adam Weishaupt (founder of the Illuminati) had in part accomplished through the infiltration of Freemasonry, will now be completed by those holding sway over the international banking system (e.g., by means of the Rothschilds' banks, Federal Reserve, IMF, and World Bank).

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W1

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ORIGINAL: SLAAKMAN

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W1

Then you simply will not understand the cause of all Utopian revolutions of the past two hundred + years.

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warspite1

Okay - I'll take that chance

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ORIGINAL: MrRoadrunner

I think it is you that may need to go back to the rear area for some training?

RR

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ORIGINAL: SLAAKMAN

PS- BTW, I The Mighty Slaakman proudly own that book.

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ORIGINAL: parusski

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ORIGINAL: MrRoadrunner

I think it is you that may need to go back to the rear area for some training?

RR

Methinks he fails to appreciate our ability to just have fun. We can never, EVER, convince progressives to even consider another point of view. And facts just fly waaaaaaaaay over their heads.

No, quiet whining about your bread. I lowered myself from my castle ramparts to give you bread and you should show proper appreciation.

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Why am I not surprised.

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: rogo727

Lol! You have been eating to much popicock mr.c. We did declare War on England for impressment and illegal boarding in 1812 remember? I'm ashamed to admit this but America didn't pay back one red cent to France after the fact. I'm talking millions... Back then. It was huge and embarrassing. Without France by god we would be a British commonwealth country. Makes me up chuck in my mouth just thinking about it.....

warspite1

Good grief

Three things: a) the anti-British stuff is getting really boring b) NO.YOU.WOULDN'T. You are not really suggesting that you had a one-time, use it or lose it shot at breaking free of the UK? c) non-payment for services rendered? Read a WWII history book. The US owes France nothing - quite the reverse.

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ORIGINAL: ckammp

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ORIGINAL: rogo727

Lol! You have been eating to much popicock mr.c. We did declare War on England for impressment and illegal boarding in 1812 remember? I'm ashamed to admit this but America didn't pay back one red cent to France after the fact. I'm talking millions... Back then. It was huge and embarrassing. Without France by god we would be a British commonwealth country. Makes me up chuck in my mouth just thinking about it.....

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

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ORIGINAL: rogo727

Years of bad money management and poor crops lead to the French Revolution

Yes. Agreed.

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To say that by helping the Americans out in which they did pushed them over the edge.......they could not recover from that.

Meh. I don't believe the commitment to helping America was sufficient to 'break their backs'. It probably didn't help matters, but they had a lot of other problems simultaneously.

I'm certainly willing to consider any primary research you have that indicates their involvement with the American Revolutionary War was the root cause of their collapse though.

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I'm thinking mr. Chicken boy should go back and read a book or two on this matter.

Ummm...have. Thanks.

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We did and still do I feel owe France for helping us throw off the yoke of the tyrant king George.

I think we did owe the French a debt of gratitude for their help with the Revolutionary War and sticking a finger in the eye of the English on our behalf. Once upon a time.

Of course, Napolean's privateer wars (that preyed on American shipping off our coasts) didn't help our relations any. We would have been within our rights to declare war against him and them in the early 1800s as a result of these purely illegal piratical acts.

Our debt to the French was finally paid in full (and then some) with our involvement in France during the First and Second World Wars. Either we're even or they 'owe us one' in the international karmic ledger.

The United States government paid off all debts to the French government in 1795.

The American Revolution, contrary to the propaganda that has been endless repeated since 1776, was not a struggle of oppressed colonies held down by brutal British soldiers and subject to outrageous taxation by a tyrant, George III.
George III was not a tyrant, the tax burden of the colonists was actually less than that of citizens living in Britain, and the soldiers were the colonists best (in some cases only) defense against attacks by Indians.

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ORIGINAL: rogo727

Simply not true. Wait yes it was the lottery that paid them ..

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ORIGINAL: ckammp

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ORIGINAL: rogo727

Lol! You have been eating to much popicock mr.c. We did declare War on England for impressment and illegal boarding in 1812 remember? I'm ashamed to admit this but America didn't pay back one red cent to France after the fact. I'm talking millions... Back then. It was huge and embarrassing. Without France by god we would be a British commonwealth country. Makes me up chuck in my mouth just thinking about it.....

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

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ORIGINAL: rogo727

Years of bad money management and poor crops lead to the French Revolution

Yes. Agreed.

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To say that by helping the Americans out in which they did pushed them over the edge.......they could not recover from that.

Meh. I don't believe the commitment to helping America was sufficient to 'break their backs'. It probably didn't help matters, but they had a lot of other problems simultaneously.

I'm certainly willing to consider any primary research you have that indicates their involvement with the American Revolutionary War was the root cause of their collapse though.

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I'm thinking mr. Chicken boy should go back and read a book or two on this matter.

Ummm...have. Thanks.

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We did and still do I feel owe France for helping us throw off the yoke of the tyrant king George.

I think we did owe the French a debt of gratitude for their help with the Revolutionary War and sticking a finger in the eye of the English on our behalf. Once upon a time.

Of course, Napolean's privateer wars (that preyed on American shipping off our coasts) didn't help our relations any. We would have been within our rights to declare war against him and them in the early 1800s as a result of these purely illegal piratical acts.

Our debt to the French was finally paid in full (and then some) with our involvement in France during the First and Second World Wars. Either we're even or they 'owe us one' in the international karmic ledger.

The United States government paid off all debts to the French government in 1795.

The American Revolution, contrary to the propaganda that has been endless repeated since 1776, was not a struggle of oppressed colonies held down by brutal British soldiers and subject to outrageous taxation by a tyrant, George III.
George III was not a tyrant, the tax burden of the colonists was actually less than that of citizens living in Britain, and the soldiers were the colonists best (in some cases only) defense against attacks by Indians.