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BIZARRE COINCIDENCE- JUNE 20 1941 - 2/20/2013 5:34:32 AM   
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RE: BIZARRE COINCIDENCE- JUNE 20 1941 - 2/20/2013 5:48:00 AM   
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It gets even weirder-


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RE: BIZARRE COINCIDENCE- JUNE 20 1941 - 2/20/2013 5:51:20 AM   
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RE: BIZARRE COINCIDENCE- JUNE 20 1941 - 2/20/2013 5:52:09 AM   
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RE: BIZARRE COINCIDENCE- JUNE 20 1941 - 2/20/2013 6:59:59 AM   
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It gets even weirder-

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Which shows that Hitler learned nothing from history...oh and they were born 120 years apart..and they were defeated 130 years apart.

Oh well 2 out of 4 ain't bad.

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RE: BIZARRE COINCIDENCE- JUNE 20 1941 - 2/20/2013 7:10:04 AM   
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Everything can be blamed on us Americans . We bankrupted France which lead to the French Revolution which gave rise to napoleon who created a whole bunch of German mini states which gave rise to German nationalism which gave rise to a European power struggle which gave rise to WW1 which gave rise to hitler in which caused WW2. So you see in a way the U.S gave rise to both leaders. Yeah sorry about that.
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It gets even weirder-

warspite1

Which shows that Hitler learned nothing from history...oh and they were born 120 years apart..and they were defeated 130 years apart.

Oh well 2 out of 4 ain't bad.



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RE: BIZARRE COINCIDENCE- JUNE 20 1941 - 2/20/2013 7:10:05 AM   
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Well, Nappy first lost his throne in 1814. Hitler 131 years later. Not to put too fine a point on it.

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RE: BIZARRE COINCIDENCE- JUNE 20 1941 - 2/20/2013 7:15:24 AM   
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Everything can be blamed on us Americans . We bankrupted France which lead to the French Revolution which gave rise to napoleon who created a whole bunch of German mini states which gave rise to German nationalism which gave rise to a European power struggle which gave rise to WW1 which gave rise to hitler in which caused WW2. So you see in a way the U.S gave rise to both leaders. Yeah sorry about that.
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ORIGINAL: SLAAKMAN

It gets even weirder-

warspite1

Which shows that Hitler learned nothing from history...oh and they were born 120 years apart..and they were defeated 130 years apart.

Oh well 2 out of 4 ain't bad.


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I think you will find there was a European power struggle going on long before the war of independence



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RE: BIZARRE COINCIDENCE- JUNE 20 1941 - 2/20/2013 7:16:22 AM   
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Well, Nappy first lost his throne in 1814. Hitler 131 years later. Not to put too fine a point on it.
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Yes, so whether you take 1814 or 1815..... its sloblocks!!

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RE: BIZARRE COINCIDENCE- JUNE 20 1941 - 2/20/2013 10:36:34 AM   
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Everything can be blamed on us Americans . We bankrupted France which lead to the French Revolution which gave rise to napoleon who created a whole bunch of German mini states which gave rise to German nationalism which gave rise to a European power struggle which gave rise to WW1 which gave rise to hitler in which caused WW2. So you see in a way the U.S gave rise to both leaders. Yeah sorry about that.
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ORIGINAL: SLAAKMAN

It gets even weirder-

warspite1

Which shows that Hitler learned nothing from history...oh and they were born 120 years apart..and they were defeated 130 years apart.

Oh well 2 out of 4 ain't bad.


warspite1

I think you will find there was a European power struggle going on long before the war of independence




LOL! I agree.
Like the new math being taught in American schools, History is being taught with an interesting twist. (Slaakman seems to have published something using new math and history.)

Rogo727 must have learned it too?
Thus, part of the blame America for everything crowd.

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RE: BIZARRE COINCIDENCE- JUNE 20 1941 - 2/20/2013 11:29:26 AM   
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Of course, both of them had the blueprint written by Charles XII.

Bad roads, no food ( from a willingness to use a scorched earth policy ) and the Russian winter. Which wasn't that bad in 1812 or 1941 but was beyond belief in 1709. 1812 might have been worse than written about ( in comparision to others at the time ) because it was at the tail end of the " little ice age " and all the winters were not pleasant at all. The Russians greatest asset is being able to give up space for time.

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RE: BIZARRE COINCIDENCE- JUNE 20 1941 - 2/20/2013 12:23:30 PM   
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Are any of these actually true? AFAIK no one has even found Genghis's tomb.

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RE: BIZARRE COINCIDENCE- JUNE 20 1941 - 2/20/2013 3:28:06 PM   
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We are talking about Tamerlane the greatest conqueror the world has ever known, not his predecessor.

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RE: BIZARRE COINCIDENCE- JUNE 20 1941 - 2/20/2013 5:08:27 PM   
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Which shows that Hitler learned nothing from history...oh and they were born 120 years apart..and they were defeated 130 years apart.

Oh well 2 out of 4 ain't bad.


HITLER learned nothing from history? What about Napolean? You'd think one failed campaign for world domination would have suited any man. Shoulda taken his 'retirement' package when he had the chance.

As for the American driving France into bankruptcy...blah, blah blah. They had that revolution thing going on right about then that didn't do much for their economy. Maybe that (unrelated to the Americans) was more important than some extraneous variable like the US? It's like saying that the Indians (and their requirements for British oversight) were the downfall of the British Empire. Not hardly.

So, 1 out of 4 then? But still, you've got to admit that that one tangible fact is pretty telling! I mean, n=1 of anything is sufficient for people to draw some conclusive and universal precepts from, idnit? If you don't have n=1, then just opt for a convenient conspiracy of some sort or other.

"Cracked.com" SLAAK? Really? I grew up on "Cracked" magazine (I even had a subscription once, back in the day). "Mad" Magazine was OK too. "Crazy" was another underappreciated one. Perhaps you subscribe to "Crazy" still?

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RE: BIZARRE COINCIDENCE- JUNE 20 1941 - 2/20/2013 6:30:58 PM   
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Silly Newblettes. The Illuminati caused the wars of the past 200+ years:

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Iluminati Defector Details
Pervasive Conspiracy


Satanic Cult Plans 'Fourth Reich'
By Henry Makow, Ph.D
10-14-2

If you detect the devil's hand in current events, you may be closer to the truth than you think.

A woman who was raised in the Illuminati cult describes a powerful secret organization comprising 1% of the U.S. population that has infiltrated all social institutions and is covertly preparing a military takeover. Her revelations cast "the war on terror" and "homeland security" in a new light.

"Svali" is the pseudonym of a woman, age 45, who was a mind "programmer" for the cult until 1996. She was the sixth head trainer in the San Diego branch and had 30 trainers reporting to her. She has risked her life to warn humanity of the Illuminati's covert power and agenda.

She describes a sadistic Satanic cult led by the richest and most powerful people in the world. It is largely homosexual and pedophile, practices animal sacrifice and ritual murder. It works "hand in glove" with the CIA and Freemasonry. It is Aryan supremacist (German is spoken at the top) but welcomes Jewish apostates. It controls the world traffic in drugs, guns, pornography and prostitution. (http://www.suite10 1.com/article.cfm/ritual_abuse/40931) It may be behind political assassination, and "terrorism," including Sept. 11, the Maryland sniper and the Bali bomb blast.

It has infiltrated government on a local, state and national level; education and financial institutions; religion and the media. Based in Europe, it plans a "world order" that will make its earlier attempts, Nazism and Communism, look like picnics. One other detail: these people are not very happy.

Svali's courageous testimony explains why our children are no longer taught civic values, why they are being habituated to homosexuality and violence, and why our "culture" is descending into nihilism and sexual depravity. It raises the possibility that George W. Bush and his Administration are Illuminists, and suggests that much of the world "elite" may be engaged in a mind-boggling criminal conspiracy.

In March 2000, Svali began writing a monthly column for survivors of Illuminati ritual abuse at Suite101.com. (http://www.suite101.com /articles.cfm/ritual_abuse) In December 2000, H.J. Springer, the editor of CentrExNews,com contacted Svali and conducted an extended 18-part interview with her by email, which is reproduced on line and is copyrighted. (http://www.centr exnews.com/columnists/Svali/archive.html)

"I am convinced she is the real McCoy," Springer wrote to me. "I have personally relayed numerous email messages to her from other members ritually abused, brainwashed, raped, sexually abused people & you name it-- some of them confirming to me her story. So I have absolutely no doubt that Svali has been part of the Illuminati since childhood."

I also trust Svali's testimony because it confirms my intuition and research. Everything fits: from the dead hand that seems to suppress humanity to why Clinton gave secret technology to the Chinese to reports of concentration camps in the US. It explains why certain people I know behave in a conspiratorial way. I thank Svali for giving me a frightening but incredible key to understanding the world.

A friend warned me to be skeptical of a hoax and offered to help me confirm her personal story. I accepted his offer. I urge you to read her entire testimony and make up your own mind. Read "Part One" to "Part 18" first, starting at the middle of the list and working up.

With their permission, here are highlights of Svali's correspondence with CentrExnews.com's H.J. Springer. I have also included material from her article "Are the Illuminati Taking Over the World?" (http://www.suite10 1.com/article.cfm/ritual_abuse/53556)

Pervasive Presence

Svali: "The Illuminati are present in every major metropolitan center in the United States. The Illuminati believe in controlling an area through its: banks and financial institutions (guess how many sit on banking boards? You'd be surprised) Local government: guess how many get elected to local city councils? Law: children are encouraged to go to law school and medical school. Media: others are encouraged to go to journalism school, and members help fund local papers.

Beliefs

Svali: "The Illuminati is a group that practices a form of faith known as "enlightenment". It is Luciferian, and they teach their followers that their roots go back to the ancient mystery religions of Babylon, Egypt, and Celtic druidism. They have taken what they consider the "best" of each, the foundational practices, and joined them together into a strongly occult discipline. Many groups at the local level worship ancient deities such as "El", "Baal", and "Ashtarte", as well as "Isis and Osiris" and "Set".... I do know that these people teach and practice evil."

Weishaupt

Svali: "Weishaupt did not create the Illuminati, they chose him as a figurehead and told him what to write about. The financiers, dating back to the bankers during the times of the Templar Knights who financed the early kings in Europe, created the Illuminati. Weishaupt was their "go fer", who did their bidding."

Military Takeover

Svali: "Briefly, each region of the United States has "nerve centres" or power bases for regional activity. The United States has been divided up into seven major geographical regions. Each region has localities within it that contain military compounds and bases that are hidden in remote, isolated areas or on large private estates.

These bases are used intermittently to teach and train generational Illuminati in military techniques, hand- to- hand combat, crowd control, use of arms, and all aspects of military warfare. Why? Because the Illuminists believe that our government, as we know it, as well as the governments of most nations around the world, are destined to collapse. These will be planned collapses, and they will occur in the following ways:

The Illuminati has planned first for a financial collapse that will make the great depression look like a picnic. This will occur through the maneuvering of the great banks and financial institutions of the world, through stock manipulation, and interest rate changes. Most people will be indebted to the federal government through bank and credit card debt, etc. The governments will recall all debts immediately, but most people will be unable to pay and will be bankrupted. This will cause generalized financial panic, which will occur simultaneously worldwide, as the Illuminists firmly believe in controlling people through finances.

Doesn't sound pleasant, does it? I don't know the exact time frame for all of this, and wouldn't want to even guess. The good news is that if a person is debt-free, owes nothing to the government or credit debt, and can live self sufficiently, they may do better than others. I would invest in gold, not stocks, if I had the income. Gold will once again be the world standard, and dollars will be pretty useless (remember after the Civil War? Our money will be worth about what confederate money was after the collapse).

Next there will be a military takeover, region by region, as the government declares a state of emergency and martial law. People will have panicked, there will be an anarchical state in most localities, and the government will justify its move as being necessary to control panicked citizens. The cult trained military leaders and people under their direction will use arms as well as crowd control techniques to implement this new state of affairs. ...Military bases will be set up, in each locality (actually, they are already here, but are covert). In the next few years, they will go above ground and be revealed. Each locality will have regional bases and leaders to which they are accountable. The hierarchy will closely reflect the current covert hierarchy.

About five years ago, when I left the Illuminati, approximately 1% of the US population was either part of the Illuminati, sympathetic to it, or a victim of Mind Control (and therefore considered useable). While this may not sound like many, imagine 1% of the population highly trained in the use of armaments, crowd control, psychological and behavioral techniques, armed with weapons and linked to paramilitary groups."

Leadership

Svali: "The national council [consists of] influential bankers with OLD money such as: The Rockefellers, the Mellon family, the Carnegie family, the Rothschild family etc. I know I shouldn't name names, but I will.

The "Supreme World Council" is already set up as a prototype of the one that will rule when the NWO comes into being. It meets on a regular basis to discuss finances, direction, policy, etc. and to problem-solve difficulties that come up. Once again, these leaders are heads in the financial world, OLD banking money. The Rothschild family in England, and in France, have ruling seats. A descendant of the Hapsburg dynasty has a generational seat. A descendant of the ruling families of England and France have a generational seat. The Rockefeller family in the US holds a seat.

This is one reason that the Illuminati have been pretty "untouchable" over the years. The ruling members are very, very, very wealthy and powerful. I hope this information is helpful. How do I know this? I was on a local leadership council (a head trainer), but I talked to those on regional. Also, every Illuminati child is taught who their "leaders" are, and told to take an oath of allegiance to them and the "New Order to come"."

Royalty

Svali: "The Illuminati leadership state that they are descended from royal bloodlines, as well as unbroken occult heritage. See, there were two definitions of "royalty" used. Open royalty that is currently seen now, and "hidden royalty" of royal lineage and extreme occult power. Sometimes the two were concurrent, such as with the Prince of Wales.

I never thought of which country/line held the most power, since I was just a peon busily doing my job. But my understanding was: The Hanoverian / Hapsburg descendants rule in Germany over the Bruderheist. They are considered one of the strongest lines for occult as well. The British line is just under them, with the royal family. Definitely, they rule the UK branch under the Rothschilds in the occult realm, even though parliament rules the country openly. In France, again, descendants of the royal families are also in power in the occult realm, but the French Rothschilds hold the reigns over all of them."

Rank of the US

Svali: "The U.S. is considered lower, and younger, than the European branches. Germany, France, and the UK form a triumvirate that rules in the European cult. The USSR is considered important, and has the strongest military groups. The USSR has been promised fourth position in the New World Order, BEFORE the role the U.S. would have, because the USSR has been more helpful and cooperative over the years with furthering the agenda.

The descendants of the former ruling families there are also involved in the occult leadership, along with the newer ones. There is no Marxism in the cult. China will be ranked after the USSR, then the U.S.. But a lot of the current U.S. leadership will be in Europe when the change occurs, and many have homes there. They will be "changing nationalities" overnight, as it were. This is the little that I do remember. Wish I had been a better student of this stuff, but I was too busy trying to stay alive when I was in it.

Russia will be the military base and powerhouse of the group, since their military commanders (Illuminist) are considered the best in the world, and very, very disciplined. China, because of its roots in oriental occultism, and its large population, will also be considered a higher power than the US. But again, the real power will reside in Europe, according to what I was taught when part of the group.

The United Nations

Svali: "The UN was created early in this century in order to help overcome one of the biggest barriers to a one-world government ...That barrier is the one of nationalism, or pride in one's country. This is why it was NOT a popular concept when first introduced, it took years of country bashing in the media and the destruction of any sense of national pride by a (not so subtle) media campaign over the years. The UN is a preparation, but it is not the real power in the world, and will be relatively unimportant when the NWO comes into being. The real councils will then step forward. But as a means of getting the general public to accept the idea of a "global community" and the "one world community" the UN is a stepping stone in their working towards the NWO."

Israel

Svali: "The conflict in the Middle East is only to the advantage of the Illuminists. They HATE Israel, and hope one day to see it destroyed, and are biding their time. One of the olive branches offered by the UN when it takes over is that they will prevent war in the Middle East, and this will be greeted with joy by many.

At the same time, the Illuminati covertly supply guns and funds to BOTH sides to keep the conflict fuelled. They are very duplicitous people. They used to funnel guns through the USSR to Palestine, for example, in the name of promoting "friendliness" between the USSR and this state and other Arab nations. Then, the US Illuminists would help funnel guns to Israel, for the same reason.

These people love the game of chess, and see warfare between nations as creating an order out of chaos. The USSR is going to get stronger again. It has too strong a military both openly, and covertly (ALL Illuminati military trainers have visited Russia to learn from them) to sit quietly and quiescently to the side. In the NWO, they will be stronger than us."

Is the Illuminati a JEWISH conspiracy?

Svali: "Absolutely not. In fact, Hitler and his people (especially Himmler and Goebbels) were top Illuminists. The Illuminati are racist in the extreme, and as a child, I was forced to play "concentration camp" both on my farm in Virginia, and also in Europe in isolated camps in Germany.

The Jews historically fought against the occult (see Deuteronomy and the Old Testament for how God through the Jewish people tried to cleanse the land of the occult groups that were operating there, such as those who worshipped Baal, Ashtarte, and other Canaanite and Babylonian gods.

(from an email to Henry Makow) Yes, there are some very powerful Jewish people in this group. For instance, the Rothschild family literally runs the financial empire in Europe (and indirectly the States), and are a well-known Jewish family. I have also known people whose parents were Jewish diamond merchants in the group, and at every level. But to rise to power in the Illuminati, a Jewish person at night would be forced to renounce their faith, and to give their first allegiance to Lucifer and the beliefs of the Illuminati. In return for this betrayal, they believe that power (financial) and rewards come; and in one sense they do, but at too high a price (losing their eternal soul).

The nazi/concentration camp mentality is very strong, though, and I was told that Hitler, Himmler, Goebel, and others were high-ranking German members of the group (Himmler was higher than the other two), and Mengele their paid puppet as well, who later worked as a high trainer of the American branch between his periods of hiding in South America. They honestly believed that they were acting as agents of their 'gods' to exterminate the Jewish race, and I am so, so sorry that this group has enacted so many horrors on the earth (and so, so glad that I left it).

I hope this helps you. I have always wondered this, though, why some of the highest ranking financial families in the group (baron Rothschild of France is one of the 13 European lords, or "kings" that run the group in Europe, and sits on the World Council) are Jewish, yet the group espouses hatred of their own race."

ARE THEY RACIST?

Svali: "Lots of Illuminists have Fourth Reich programming inside....The Illuminati are racist, and have a very "Aryan" outlook. They believe strongly in the rule of the "pure" and "intelligent" by their definitions, and in their ceremonies, there will occasionally be minorities killed in ceremonies.

They are trying to breed a "genetically superior" race to rule, with their children and descendants. They are also followers of Plato's Republic, and believe that they will be the ones to usher in this "Utopian" rule with the NWO in their opinion. In their Utopia, the intelligentsia will rule, and the sheep like masses will follow their leaders (that is their view of the world; that the occult leaders are "enlightened' and intelligent, while the average person is a "sheep" to be led by the nose)."

FREEMASONRY

Svali: "The Freemasons and the Illuminati are hand in glove. I don't care if this steps on any toes, it's a fact. The Masonic temple at Alexandria, Virginia (the city itself was named after Alexandria, Egypt, and is a hotbed of Illuminati activity) is a centre in the Washington, DC area for Illuminati scholarship and teaching. I was taken there at intervals for testing, to step up a level, for scholarship, and high ceremonies. The leaders in this Masonic group were also Illuminists.

This has been true of every large city I have lived in. The top Freemasons were also top Illuminists. My maternal grandparents were both high ranking Masons in the city of Pittsburgh, Pa. (president of the Eastern Star and 33rd degree Mason) and they both were also leaders in the Illuminati in that area.

Are all Masons Illuminati? No, especially at the lower levels, I believe they know nothing of the practices that occur in the middle of the night in the larger temples. Many are probably fine businessmen and Christians. But I have never known a 32 degree or above who wasn't Illuminati, and the group helped create Freemasonry as a "front" for their activities." CIA FBI are all infiltrated. So are Mormons etc.

Svali: "Many of the administrators and directors at the FBI are also Illuminists. The CIA helped bring over German scientists after WWII. Many of these were also Illuminati leaders in their own country, and they were welcomed with open arms by the U.S. group. They also funneled all information they were learning to the Illuminati. The Mormons affiliated years ago in a meeting with Illuminati leadership in the 1950s. The same with the Jehovah's Witnesses.

The Cold War

Svali: "Russia was never really a threat to us. Marxism was funded by the Illuminati, and espoused as a counterbalance to capitalism. The Illluminati believe strongly in balancing opposing forces, in the pull between opposites. They see history as a complex chess game, and they will fund one side, then another, while ultimately out of the chaos and division ... they are laughing because they are ultimately beyond political parties. A top western financier will secretly meet with an eastern or Russian "adversary" during those years, and have a good laugh at how the "sheep" were being deluded. I am sharing here what I was taught, and also observed. They are truly an international group, and the group's agenda supersedes any nationalistic feelings. There is also a lot of trading back and forth of members in these groups. A Russian trainer might come to the US for awhile, complete a job, then go back, or vice-versa."

Assassin Training

Svali: "Here is how it is done (how it was done to me):

[1] When the child is 2 years old, place them in a metal cage with electrodes attached. Shock the child severely.

[2] Take the child out, and place a kitten in its hands. Tell the child to wring the kitten's neck. The child will cry and refuse.

[3] Put the child into the cage, and shock them until they are dazed and cannot scream any more.

[4] Take the child out, and tell them again to wring the kitten's neck. This time the child will shake all over, cry, but do it, afraid of the torture. The child will then go into the corner and vomit afterwards, while the adult praises them for "doing such a good job".

This is the first step. The animals get bigger over time, as the child gets older. They will be forced to kill an infant at some point, either a set up or VR, or in reality. They will be taught by age 9 to put together a gun, to aim, and fire on target and on command. They will then practice on realistic manikins. They will then practice on animals. They will then practice on "expendables" or in VR. They will be highly praised if they do well, and tortured if they don't comply.

The older the child or teen, the more advanced the training. By age 15, most children will also be forced to do hand to hand combat in front of spectators (high people who come to watch the "games" much as the ancient gladiators performed). These matches are rarely done to the death, usually until one child goes down. They use every type of weapon imaginable, and learn to fight for their lives. If a child loses a fight, they are heavily punished by their trainer, who loses "face". If they win, they are again praised for being "strong' and adept with weapons. By the time they are 21, they are well trained combat/killing machines with command codes to kill and they have been tested over and over to prove that they WILL obey on command. This is how children in the German Illuminati are brought up, I went through it myself."

Trust in Family

Svali: "They tell their children as they are torturing them, "I am doing this because I love you." To them, the greatest love is to make a child strong, and fit to lead or to move higher in the group, by whatever means it takes.

If a leader sees a child, and wants it as a prostitute, the loving parents will give it away, happy that their child will rise in status. Also, again, they view betrayal as the greatest good. They will do set up after set up to teach their children to never openly trust others.

I remember hundreds of agonizing set ups and betrayals, and hearing when I was betrayed or wounded, "And such is the heart of man." Those doing this to me thought they were teaching me something of value, that would help me. And because of the vicious and political nature of the group, in one sense they were right; the naive get stepped on and wounded. I have known parents who tried to spare their children some of this out of love, but often they were overruled by other family members, who viewed these parents as "weak" and "unfit" to teach their child."

Morale

Svali: "Most of them are wounded, abused victims, who don't realize that it is possible to leave the group. There is a lot of discontent in the ranks, and there would be a mass exodus if the members believed it were really possible to get out (and live). Many of the trainers I knew (I know, wicked, torturing pedophiles) were NOT happy with what they did. They would whisper quietly, or give a look, to show that they disagreed with what they had to do. They would resignedly do their jobs, in the hope of advancement.

Know what one of the biggest carrots offered to those who advance up in the group is? That you don't have to hurt people anymore, and that you can't be abused (it's true: only those higher than you in the group can abuse you, so everyone wants to move up, where the pool of candidates becomes smaller). Of course, people can choose to abuse anyone beneath them, and that motivates.

The Illuminati are a very political and back stabbing group, a "dog eat dog" mentality; everyone wants to move up. These are NOT nice people and they use and manipulate others viciously. They cut their eyeteeth on status, power, and money.

They never openly disclose their agenda, or their cult activities, as often they are amnesic to them. These are well-respected, "Christian" appearing business leaders in the community. The image in the community is all-important to an Illuminist; they will do anything to maintain a normal, respected facade, and DESPISE exposure. ....

None of the Illuminists that I have known, had unkind, or evil appearing, persona in their daytime lives, although some were dysfunctional, such as being alcoholics. The dissociation that drives the Illuminists is their greatest cover ... Many, if not most, of these people are completely unaware of the great evil that they are involved in, during the night."

TV

Also, remember those studies that stated that "TV violence doesn't affect children's behavior" years ago? Guess who funded them? They are a bunch of bullcrud. What a person watches DOES influence them, and this is well known by the behaviorists in the group. In fact, they know that TV is a tool that they purposely use to influence "the masses". It cannot create a total personality change in the average citizen, but it can desensitize us increasingly to violence, pornography and the occult, and influence the perceptions of young children.

Rock Music

I believe that Brittany Spears, Eminem, and others are being used by them to sing lyrics they like (ever notice that he wears a Neo-Nazi look and sings hate lyrics? This is NOT by chance). In fact, many of the top pop singers come from an internship with the "Mickey Mouse club" (yep, good old Walt the Illuminist's Empire) and I believe they are offered stardom in exchange for allegiance or mind control. How many lyrics advocate suicide, violence, despair, or New Age spirituality in pop/rock today? Or just get a copy of the words and read (but be aware that many are possibly triggering to survivors of mind control).

Illuminati Weaknesses

Svali: "1. Their arrogance (I think I mentioned this before) is their weakness. These people think they are untouchable, and this could make them careless. 2. If by a miracle, enough people took this SERIOUSLY and started organizing in some way to stop the Illuminati take over, with prayer and God's guidance, perhaps they could be stopped. I hope so, with all of my heart.

3. Stopping pornography and child prostitution and drug smuggling and gun running would take out a huge chunk of their profits. Maybe they would slow down. But honestly, stopping the above would be as difficult as stopping the group."

Public's Denial Mechanism

Svali: The evidence is there, but in my opinion, the average person does NOT want to know, and even when confronted with it, will look the other way.

The Franklin case is a point. How much evidence has come out? Or the MK-Ultra documents that have been declassified, shown as real, and people ignore it.

Okay, I'll get off my soapbox. But I believe that the media that downplays ritual abuse is feeding into a deep need in the average person to NOT know the reality. In fact, how can a person face the fact of great evil in mankind, unless they have either a strong faith in God, or are faced with insurmountable evidence? We as human beings want to believe the BEST of our race, not the worst, IMHO.

I really don't believe people will do anything about the Illuminati even if they know. Sorry for the cynicism, but it is based on a lifetime of experience.

The Illuminists don't care who prints this stuff, or if they are "exposed" because they are counting on the majority not believing it, having done a pretty good job with a media blitz campaign (seen any articles in Newsweek or Time lately that addresses this other than as a laughable conspiracy theory? Guess who owns Time-Warner?).

I have heard them laughing about this very thing in leadership meetings five years ago, and I doubt their attitude has changed much since then. If people DID believe this, if action could be taken, then I would be very surprised and quite happy."

"Svali" is a registered nurse and freelance writer living in Texas.

Henry Makow Ph.D. is the inventor of the board game Scruples and the author of "A Long Way to go for a Date." His past articles on feminism and the New World Order can be found at www.savethemales.ca He welcomes comments at henrym@mts.net


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RE: BIZARRE COINCIDENCE- JUNE 20 1941 - 2/20/2013 6:41:15 PM   
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That's just some totally unverified bullshit right there AND the date is wrong. His tomb was opened two days prior to the invasion.

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RE: BIZARRE COINCIDENCE- JUNE 20 1941 - 2/20/2013 7:36:04 PM   
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That's just some totally unverified bullshit right there AND the date is wrong. His tomb was opened two days prior to the invasion.

June 20 is two days prior to Barbarossa. What is unverified other than your skepticism?


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RE: BIZARRE COINCIDENCE- JUNE 20 1941 - 2/20/2013 8:19:04 PM   
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Which shows that Hitler learned nothing from history...oh and they were born 120 years apart..and they were defeated 130 years apart.

Oh well 2 out of 4 ain't bad.


HITLER learned nothing from history? What about Napolean? You'd think one failed campaign for world domination would have suited any man. Shoulda taken his 'retirement' package when he had the chance.

As for the American driving France into bankruptcy...blah, blah blah. They had that revolution thing going on right about then that didn't do much for their economy. Maybe that (unrelated to the Americans) was more important than some extraneous variable like the US? It's like saying that the Indians (and their requirements for British oversight) were the downfall of the British Empire. Not hardly.

So, 1 out of 4 then? But still, you've got to admit that that one tangible fact is pretty telling! I mean, n=1 of anything is sufficient for people to draw some conclusive and universal precepts from, idnit? If you don't have n=1, then just opt for a convenient conspiracy of some sort or other.

"Cracked.com" SLAAK? Really? I grew up on "Cracked" magazine (I even had a subscription once, back in the day). "Mad" Magazine was OK too. "Crazy" was another underappreciated one. Perhaps you subscribe to "Crazy" still?
warspite1

Two things:

a) I think the French went bust as a result of fighting the British in North America (and the revolution followed from that)

b) I didn't understand the 1 out of 4 comment. I think 2 of those 4 statements are correct, aren't they?

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RE: BIZARRE COINCIDENCE- JUNE 20 1941 - 2/20/2013 10:36:30 PM   
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I blame the Yanks for our defeat.

Without lend-lease it had been a safe run.

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RE: BIZARRE COINCIDENCE- JUNE 20 1941 - 2/21/2013 12:00:19 AM   
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Years of bad money management and poor crops lead to the French Revolution come on mr.w this is your realm of history. To say that by helping the Americans out in which they did pushed them over the edge.......they could not recover from that. America broke the back of France make no mistake. I'm thinking mr. Chicken boy should go back and read a book or two on this matter. We did and still do I feel owe France for helping us throw off the yoke of the tyrant king George.
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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy


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ORIGINAL: warspite1
Which shows that Hitler learned nothing from history...oh and they were born 120 years apart..and they were defeated 130 years apart.

Oh well 2 out of 4 ain't bad.


HITLER learned nothing from history? What about Napolean? You'd think one failed campaign for world domination would have suited any man. Shoulda taken his 'retirement' package when he had the chance.

As for the American driving France into bankruptcy...blah, blah blah. They had that revolution thing going on right about then that didn't do much for their economy. Maybe that (unrelated to the Americans) was more important than some extraneous variable like the US? It's like saying that the Indians (and their requirements for British oversight) were the downfall of the British Empire. Not hardly.

So, 1 out of 4 then? But still, you've got to admit that that one tangible fact is pretty telling! I mean, n=1 of anything is sufficient for people to draw some conclusive and universal precepts from, idnit? If you don't have n=1, then just opt for a convenient conspiracy of some sort or other.

"Cracked.com" SLAAK? Really? I grew up on "Cracked" magazine (I even had a subscription once, back in the day). "Mad" Magazine was OK too. "Crazy" was another underappreciated one. Perhaps you subscribe to "Crazy" still?
warspite1

Two things:

a) I think the French went bust as a result of fighting the British in North America (and the revolution followed from that)

b) I didn't understand the 1 out of 4 comment. I think 2 of those 4 statements are correct, aren't they?



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RE: BIZARRE COINCIDENCE- JUNE 20 1941 - 2/21/2013 1:54:32 AM   
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I can't imagine why no one realizes that SLAAKMAN is actually George W. Bush, according to many of a certain political BENT to be the most evil human to ever live. In 1551 S. Ambrose discovered Brazilian Peanut butter and that changed history. Everyone knows that all evil is rooted in something. Evil comes from THERE. I am not ranting. Go repair my toilet, it leaks urine from Barry Goldwater and Barrack Hussein Obummer. Hey, you kids get off my damned lawn. George Bush was given the presidency on the day of his birth, by Michael Corleone. And then I discovered someone had stolen my gold eagle coins to pay for SLAAKMAN's plastic surgery. Anyway, I hate ranting conspiracy nuts.



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RE: BIZARRE COINCIDENCE- JUNE 20 1941 - 2/21/2013 2:00:22 AM   
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Bruder Lützow,
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I blame the Yanks for our defeat.

Without lend-lease it had been a safe run.


Wahre Mein Herr. In der Zukunft wird es Wiedergutmachung für die Sünden und Verbrechen, die von allen und alle Täter in dieser katastrophalen Verrat der westlichen Zivilisation begangen bezahlt werden. Gott wird nichts unversucht lassen und den Tod aller Unschuldigen von allen Seiten Opfer wird gerächt werden! Er wird die Illuminati und deren Anti-Christ Schergen vor Gericht zu bringen! Hosianna in der Höhe.





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RE: BIZARRE COINCIDENCE- JUNE 20 1941 - 2/21/2013 2:11:04 AM   
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Years of bad money management and poor crops lead to the French Revolution come on mr.w this is your realm of history. To say that by helping the Americans out in which they did pushed them over the edge.......they could not recover from that. America broke the back of France make no mistake. I'm thinking mr. Chicken boy should go back and read a book or two on this matter. We did and still do I feel owe France for helping us throw off the yoke of the tyrant king George.

Silly parruski-Newblette is confused Mr Rogo. We need to get help for him since he attributes historical events such as the Illuminati's infiltration & provocateuring behind the French Revolution with some kind of silly so-called, "conspiracy theory". Isnt that preoposterous & silly to claim that their methods were only an illusion?! After all we know for certain that human beings are inherently transparent & nobody would ever try to incite rebellion covertly.
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France Didn't Have a Revolution

July 14, 2011

(left, July 14, Happy Bastille Day!)

The French Revolution was part of the long-term Illuminati banker plan to reshape mankind to serve them and their god Lucifer.

" The Illuminati operating in the guise of the Jacobins forced the regime change historians call the French Revolution."


by Andrew Smith
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The value of history lies primarily in appreciating what's happening today. We have a sense that events are driven by the past and that history repeats itself.

But why? Perhaps, the hidden planners of historical events have a limited repertoire of dirty tricks. They suppress the history of the deceptions practiced on our great grandparents, so they can mislead, maim and mutilate us and later generations.

Only when we see that the French Revolution of 1789 was planned and financed from abroad (just like the Russian Revolution of 1917) can we suspect that the current "unrest" and "revolutions" in Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Bahrain, Thailand, Yemen, Syria and now Malaysia are not truly popular revolts but irregular warfare coups. Of course, in the case of Libya where Qadaffi came close to eradicating the rebels, the foreign coup has become a regular military operation supported by NATO air strikes. But they still call it a revolution.

The dictionary defines "revolution" as a "sudden and violent change in government or in the political constitution of a country, mainly brought about by internal causes; as the French Revolution of 1789." But subversive elements in London working with French and European revolutionaries--NOT INTERNAL CAUSES--engineered the Paris bloodbaths historians call a revolution.

Before 1919 when Nesta B. Webster published her history of the French tragedy, there was nothing in English except Thomas Carlyle's The French Revolution (1837). In her preface to The French Revolution: A Study in Democracy (1919) she expressed shock. "So far, in England, the truth is not known; we have not even been told what really happened.

BASTILLE-Sans-culotte.jpgHistories still teach that before the French Revolution the French aristocracy kept the peasantry hungry and desperate without any real hope or direction for the future. In her work, Webster explodes these notions regarding peasant misery before 1789 with the letters of Dr. Rigby who traveled through the French countryside in 1789 and who described "its extraordinary fertility" and its "state of the highest cultivation."

"The crops are beyond any conception I could have had of them ,,, tens of thousands of acres of wheat superior to any that can be produced in England..." He described the French people as happy, prosperous and contented. (pp. 4-5)

Yet in the midst of this abundance there was famine. It triggered the French Revolution just like the unrest today in the Middle East. And we are still taught that upon hearing of the starving French peasantry, Louis XVI's wife, Queen Marie Antoinette remarked,"Let them eat cake." This bogus quotation is used to color the French aristocrats as out of touch. In fact Marie Antoinette blamed England. She knew what was happening.

And Americans today like Webster, have blinders on when it came to their own government's dishonorable foreign policy. Webster refused to hold her English Government responsible notwithstanding the overwhelmingly damning evidence.

"What, then, is the explanation of the belief in English cooperation with the revolutionary movement? Of the English guineas found on the rioters? Of the Englishmen mingling in the mobs of Paris during popular agitations? Of the seditious pamphlets printed in London? Of the traffic in letters, messages, and money maintained between England and the revolutionary leaders? Many of these leaders were constantly in England both before and during the Revolution... These facts admit of no denial: to suppose, however, any complicity on the part of the English Government is illogical and absurd." pp.30-31

A Royalist historian and contemporary of the worst atrocities, Felix Louis Montjoie, copiously documented the role of French King Louis XVI's cousin, the Freemason Duc d'Orleans, who bought up large portions of the French grain in 1789. This role backfired on him as he was guillotined in Nov. 1793.

Later historians document the role of Pitt, the English Parliament and the King's Privy Counsel in hoarding French grain with the aid of the Illuminati British East India Company in warehouses on the English Channel Islands of Guernsey and Jersey. ("Why the French Did Not Have an American Revolution," by Pierre Beaudry, p. 5.)

England was a mere pawn in the Illuminati game of pseudo-revolutions that overturn governments and give credit to democratic/communist freedom fighting homeboys and eventually even train the conquered population to celebrate the destruction of their history and culture. So today the French ironically celebrate their disgrace with Bastille Day, July 14

In the words of John Robison in his Proofs of a Conspiracy (1797)

"The earlier revolutionary leaders were, as we have seen, the disciples of the German Illuminati, and it was they who initiated them into the art of forming political committees " to carry through the great plan of a general overturning of religion and government . . . .These committees arose from the Illuminati in Bavaria . . . and these committees produced the Jacobin Club."

The chief lesson," Robison goes on to observe, that the revolutionary leaders took from Germany, " was the method of doing business, of managing their own correspondence, and of procuring and training pupils." pp. 190-191

The Illuminati operating in the guise of the Jacobins forced the regime change historians call the French Revolution. During the Russian Revolution they masqueraded as the Bolsheviks. Today they brag they are behind the Middle East revolutions. So maybe we should believe them.

http://www.henrymakow.com/french_revolution_wasnt_a_revo.html
http://www.reformation.org/wall-st-bolshevik-rev.html

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RE: BIZARRE COINCIDENCE- JUNE 20 1941 - 2/21/2013 2:15:02 AM   
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And then I discovered someone had stolen my gold eagle coins to pay for SLAAKMAN's plastic surgery. Anyway, I hate ranting conspiracy nuts.

All the gold that I can eat!




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RE: BIZARRE COINCIDENCE- JUNE 20 1941 - 2/21/2013 2:55:41 AM   
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And then I discovered someone had stolen my gold eagle coins to pay for SLAAKMAN's plastic surgery. Anyway, I hate ranting conspiracy nuts.

All the gold that I can eat!





Holy prancing Brits Batman, I never would have guessed the SLAAKER stole parusskis gold eagles.


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RE: BIZARRE COINCIDENCE- JUNE 20 1941 - 2/21/2013 4:25:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy


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ORIGINAL: warspite1
Which shows that Hitler learned nothing from history...oh and they were born 120 years apart..and they were defeated 130 years apart.

Oh well 2 out of 4 ain't bad.


HITLER learned nothing from history? What about Napolean? You'd think one failed campaign for world domination would have suited any man. Shoulda taken his 'retirement' package when he had the chance.

As for the American driving France into bankruptcy...blah, blah blah. They had that revolution thing going on right about then that didn't do much for their economy. Maybe that (unrelated to the Americans) was more important than some extraneous variable like the US? It's like saying that the Indians (and their requirements for British oversight) were the downfall of the British Empire. Not hardly.

So, 1 out of 4 then? But still, you've got to admit that that one tangible fact is pretty telling! I mean, n=1 of anything is sufficient for people to draw some conclusive and universal precepts from, idnit? If you don't have n=1, then just opt for a convenient conspiracy of some sort or other.

"Cracked.com" SLAAK? Really? I grew up on "Cracked" magazine (I even had a subscription once, back in the day). "Mad" Magazine was OK too. "Crazy" was another underappreciated one. Perhaps you subscribe to "Crazy" still?
warspite1

Two things:

a) I think the French went bust as a result of fighting the British in North America (and the revolution followed from that)

b) I didn't understand the 1 out of 4 comment. I think 2 of those 4 statements are correct, aren't they?


Two things:

a. I don't think the French went bust as a result of fighting the British in North America. I'm sure it didn't help matters, but it wasn't a proximate cause.

b. I miscounted. 2 of 4. 50% bull****, which for Slaak is a monumental improvement.

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RE: BIZARRE COINCIDENCE- JUNE 20 1941 - 2/21/2013 4:35:01 AM   
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Years of bad money management and poor crops lead to the French Revolution


Yes. Agreed.

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To say that by helping the Americans out in which they did pushed them over the edge.......they could not recover from that.


Meh. I don't believe the commitment to helping America was sufficient to 'break their backs'. It probably didn't help matters, but they had a lot of other problems simultaneously.

I'm certainly willing to consider any primary research you have that indicates their involvement with the American Revolutionary War was the root cause of their collapse though.

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I'm thinking mr. Chicken boy should go back and read a book or two on this matter.


Ummm...have. Thanks.

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We did and still do I feel owe France for helping us throw off the yoke of the tyrant king George.


I think we did owe the French a debt of gratitude for their help with the Revolutionary War and sticking a finger in the eye of the English on our behalf. Once upon a time.

Of course, Napolean's privateer wars (that preyed on American shipping off our coasts) didn't help our relations any. We would have been within our rights to declare war against him and them in the early 1800s as a result of these purely illegal piratical acts.

Our debt to the French was finally paid in full (and then some) with our involvement in France during the First and Second World Wars. Either we're even or they 'owe us one' in the international karmic ledger.

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RE: BIZARRE COINCIDENCE- JUNE 20 1941 - 2/21/2013 5:30:15 AM   
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Holy prancing Brits Batman, I never would have guessed the SLAAKER stole parusskis gold eagles.

ANOTHER BIZARRE COINCIDENCE- PARRUSKI'S GOLDEN EAGLES TURN UP AT SLAAKS COIN SHOP IN ARUBA INSIDE OF "PIMP-JUICE BALLOON". UNKNOWN AS TO HOW OR WHY THEY WERE DEPLOYED THERE. SILLY PARRUSKI IS BAFFLED BUT DECLINES COMMENT AS CATWOMAN OFFERS HIM A REACH-AROUND.


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RE: BIZARRE COINCIDENCE- JUNE 20 1941 - 2/21/2013 5:30:54 AM   
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I blame the Yanks for our defeat.

Without lend-lease it had been a safe run.
warspite1

Wow. You sound disappointed you lost ......

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RE: BIZARRE COINCIDENCE- JUNE 20 1941 - 2/21/2013 5:32:27 AM   
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Wow. You sound disappointed you lost

We didnt "lose"...we're merely taking lunch.

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