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RE: Richard Briers RIP - 2/24/2013 6:41:50 PM   
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Hmmm. I can see where some feminists might not like the way women are portrayed in the shows but banning them seems a bit extreme.
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Shame the lefty sisterhood don't get properly angry at your average Rihanna video or Bratz dolls, because of course they are perfectly acceptable......



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RE: Richard Briers RIP - 2/24/2013 6:54:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Gary Childress

Hmmm. I can see where some feminists might not like the way women are portrayed in the shows but banning them seems a bit extreme.
warspite1

Shame the lefty sisterhood don't get properly angry at your average Rihanna video or Bratz dolls, because of course they are perfectly acceptable......




Had to look up what a "Bratz doll" was, but this is something I found regarding them:

quote:

New concerns over the body image and lifestyle the Bratz dolls allegedly promote were raised by the American Psychological Association when they established their "Task Force on the Sexualization of Girls" in February 2007. In their published report, they cited concern over the adult-like sexuality the Bratz dolls allegedly portray.[2]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bratz

I'm sure there are feminists out there somewhere complaining about Bratz dolls. If not then they probably just slipped "under the radar" so to speak.

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RE: Richard Briers RIP - 2/24/2013 7:09:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Gary Childress

Hmmm. I can see where some feminists might not like the way women are portrayed in the shows but banning them seems a bit extreme.
warspite1

Shame the lefty sisterhood don't get properly angry at your average Rihanna video or Bratz dolls, because of course they are perfectly acceptable......




Had to look up what a "Bratz doll" was, but this is something I found regarding them:

quote:

New concerns over the body image and lifestyle the Bratz dolls allegedly promote were raised by the American Psychological Association when they established their "Task Force on the Sexualization of Girls" in February 2007. In their published report, they cited concern over the adult-like sexuality the Bratz dolls allegedly portray.[2]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bratz

I'm sure there are feminists out there somewhere complaining about Bratz dolls. If not then they probably just slipped "under the radar" so to speak.
warspite1

NO they have NOT just slipped under the radar - they have been selling, in large numbers, to little girls for years thanks to those "parents" to whom this sort of thing does not register as being damaging to their offspring.

Politicians go for the easy victories, the cheap wins. Attacking the likes of Benny Hill is easy - taking a stand on something like Bratz dolls is another matter - its not popular, you risk being seen as a prude, its all too damn difficult..... and not a vote winner, so why bother?

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RE: Richard Briers RIP - 2/24/2013 7:26:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: warspite1


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quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1


quote:

ORIGINAL: Gary Childress

Hmmm. I can see where some feminists might not like the way women are portrayed in the shows but banning them seems a bit extreme.
warspite1

Shame the lefty sisterhood don't get properly angry at your average Rihanna video or Bratz dolls, because of course they are perfectly acceptable......




Had to look up what a "Bratz doll" was, but this is something I found regarding them:

quote:

New concerns over the body image and lifestyle the Bratz dolls allegedly promote were raised by the American Psychological Association when they established their "Task Force on the Sexualization of Girls" in February 2007. In their published report, they cited concern over the adult-like sexuality the Bratz dolls allegedly portray.[2]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bratz

I'm sure there are feminists out there somewhere complaining about Bratz dolls. If not then they probably just slipped "under the radar" so to speak.
warspite1

NO they have NOT just slipped under the radar - they have been selling, in large numbers, to little girls for years thanks to those "parents" to whom this sort of thing does register as being damaging to their offspring.

Politicians go for the easy victories, the cheap wins. Attacking the likes of Benny Hill is easy - taking a stand on something like Bratz dolls is another matter - its not popular, you risk being seen as a prude, its all too damn difficult..... and not a vote winner, so why bother?


In all fairness to feminists, it sounds like you're confusing politics now with feminism. I would bet there are serious feminists out there who object to Bratz dolls. I don't think feminism is some homogenous movement where everyone believes in the exact same things anyway. I'm sure there are some vocal self proclaimed "feminists" out there who think teen girls flaunting sexuality is a great thing, but most of the serious feminists I've ever encountered personally have been against such things that would encourage sexualization of young girls.

Of course Bratz dolls sound like a pretty booming business right now and money usually talks loudest. Benny Hill and Faulty Towers are probably low hanging fruit because they aren't booming mult-imillion dollor businesses. But that's pretty much the way many cheesy politicians work. They go with whoever can get them the most in campaign donations. But I wouldn't blame feminism for that.

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RE: Richard Briers RIP - 2/24/2013 7:27:45 PM   
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One other thing while we are talking about warped values. As wargamers, we cannot officially play games showing the Swastika in case we all turn into neo-Nazis. However, you CAN buy Grand Theft Auto and steal cars, kill people blah blah blah...

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RE: Richard Briers RIP - 2/24/2013 7:33:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Gary Childress


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1


quote:

ORIGINAL: Gary Childress


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1


quote:

ORIGINAL: Gary Childress

Hmmm. I can see where some feminists might not like the way women are portrayed in the shows but banning them seems a bit extreme.
warspite1

Shame the lefty sisterhood don't get properly angry at your average Rihanna video or Bratz dolls, because of course they are perfectly acceptable......




Had to look up what a "Bratz doll" was, but this is something I found regarding them:

quote:

New concerns over the body image and lifestyle the Bratz dolls allegedly promote were raised by the American Psychological Association when they established their "Task Force on the Sexualization of Girls" in February 2007. In their published report, they cited concern over the adult-like sexuality the Bratz dolls allegedly portray.[2]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bratz

I'm sure there are feminists out there somewhere complaining about Bratz dolls. If not then they probably just slipped "under the radar" so to speak.
warspite1

NO they have NOT just slipped under the radar - they have been selling, in large numbers, to little girls for years thanks to those "parents" to whom this sort of thing does register as being damaging to their offspring.

Politicians go for the easy victories, the cheap wins. Attacking the likes of Benny Hill is easy - taking a stand on something like Bratz dolls is another matter - its not popular, you risk being seen as a prude, its all too damn difficult..... and not a vote winner, so why bother?


In all fairness to feminists, it sounds like you're confusing politics now with feminism. I would bet there are serious feminists out there who object to Bratz dolls. I don't think feminism is some homogenous movement where everyone believes in the exact same things anyway. I'm sure there are some vocal self proclaimed "feminists" out there who think teen girls flaunting sexuality is a great thing, but most of the serious feminists I've ever encountered personally have been against such things that would encourage sexualization of young girls.

Of course Bratz dolls sound like a pretty booming business right now and money usually talks loudest. Benny Hill and Faulty Towers are probably low hanging fruit because they aren't booming mult-imillion dollor businesses. But that's pretty much the way many cheesy politicians work. They go with whoever can get them the most in campaign donations. But I wouldn't blame feminism for that.
warspite1

No, no confusion - its all part of the same problem. You have high profile feminists like Germaine Greer. She should be shouting from the rooftops about mysoginistic rap lyrics, about female "pop" stars dressing as sluts, about the sexualisation of young girls through dolls like bratz. But I never hear her utter a word. Why? Because its too difficult, she doesn't want to lose her street cred. She is no different to the local spineless politician.


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RE: Richard Briers RIP - 2/24/2013 7:53:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: warspite1


quote:

ORIGINAL: Gary Childress


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1


quote:

ORIGINAL: Gary Childress


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1


quote:

ORIGINAL: Gary Childress

Hmmm. I can see where some feminists might not like the way women are portrayed in the shows but banning them seems a bit extreme.
warspite1

Shame the lefty sisterhood don't get properly angry at your average Rihanna video or Bratz dolls, because of course they are perfectly acceptable......




Had to look up what a "Bratz doll" was, but this is something I found regarding them:

quote:

New concerns over the body image and lifestyle the Bratz dolls allegedly promote were raised by the American Psychological Association when they established their "Task Force on the Sexualization of Girls" in February 2007. In their published report, they cited concern over the adult-like sexuality the Bratz dolls allegedly portray.[2]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bratz

I'm sure there are feminists out there somewhere complaining about Bratz dolls. If not then they probably just slipped "under the radar" so to speak.
warspite1

NO they have NOT just slipped under the radar - they have been selling, in large numbers, to little girls for years thanks to those "parents" to whom this sort of thing does register as being damaging to their offspring.

Politicians go for the easy victories, the cheap wins. Attacking the likes of Benny Hill is easy - taking a stand on something like Bratz dolls is another matter - its not popular, you risk being seen as a prude, its all too damn difficult..... and not a vote winner, so why bother?


In all fairness to feminists, it sounds like you're confusing politics now with feminism. I would bet there are serious feminists out there who object to Bratz dolls. I don't think feminism is some homogenous movement where everyone believes in the exact same things anyway. I'm sure there are some vocal self proclaimed "feminists" out there who think teen girls flaunting sexuality is a great thing, but most of the serious feminists I've ever encountered personally have been against such things that would encourage sexualization of young girls.

Of course Bratz dolls sound like a pretty booming business right now and money usually talks loudest. Benny Hill and Faulty Towers are probably low hanging fruit because they aren't booming mult-imillion dollor businesses. But that's pretty much the way many cheesy politicians work. They go with whoever can get them the most in campaign donations. But I wouldn't blame feminism for that.
warspite1

No, no confusion - its all part of the same problem. You have high profile feminists like Germaine Greer. She should be shouting from the rooftops about mysoginistic rap lyrics, about female "pop" stars dressing as sluts, about the sexualisation of young girls through dolls like bratz. But I never hear her utter a word. Why? Because its too difficult, she doesn't want to lose her street cred. She is no different to the local spineless politician.



Sounds like Greer is maybe more political opportunist than some. Again, to be fair to Feminists, Feminism isn't necessarily a homogenous movement where everyone believes the exact same thing on particular issues. Feminists argue with each other and critique each other's positions on issues just like all academics do. That Benny Hill is banned and Bratz dolls aren't probably has more to do with who has more or less political clout. Banning an old TV show for sexism is probably an easy way to say, "see I support feminism", banning Bratz dolls probably takes a bit more political gutz.

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RE: Richard Briers RIP - 2/24/2013 8:00:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: warspite1


quote:

ORIGINAL: Gary Childress


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1


quote:

ORIGINAL: Gary Childress


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1


quote:

ORIGINAL: Gary Childress

Hmmm. I can see where some feminists might not like the way women are portrayed in the shows but banning them seems a bit extreme.
warspite1

Shame the lefty sisterhood don't get properly angry at your average Rihanna video or Bratz dolls, because of course they are perfectly acceptable......




Had to look up what a "Bratz doll" was, but this is something I found regarding them:

quote:

New concerns over the body image and lifestyle the Bratz dolls allegedly promote were raised by the American Psychological Association when they established their "Task Force on the Sexualization of Girls" in February 2007. In their published report, they cited concern over the adult-like sexuality the Bratz dolls allegedly portray.[2]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bratz

I'm sure there are feminists out there somewhere complaining about Bratz dolls. If not then they probably just slipped "under the radar" so to speak.
warspite1

NO they have NOT just slipped under the radar - they have been selling, in large numbers, to little girls for years thanks to those "parents" to whom this sort of thing does register as being damaging to their offspring.

Politicians go for the easy victories, the cheap wins. Attacking the likes of Benny Hill is easy - taking a stand on something like Bratz dolls is another matter - its not popular, you risk being seen as a prude, its all too damn difficult..... and not a vote winner, so why bother?


In all fairness to feminists, it sounds like you're confusing politics now with feminism. I would bet there are serious feminists out there who object to Bratz dolls. I don't think feminism is some homogenous movement where everyone believes in the exact same things anyway. I'm sure there are some vocal self proclaimed "feminists" out there who think teen girls flaunting sexuality is a great thing, but most of the serious feminists I've ever encountered personally have been against such things that would encourage sexualization of young girls.

Of course Bratz dolls sound like a pretty booming business right now and money usually talks loudest. Benny Hill and Faulty Towers are probably low hanging fruit because they aren't booming mult-imillion dollor businesses. But that's pretty much the way many cheesy politicians work. They go with whoever can get them the most in campaign donations. But I wouldn't blame feminism for that.
warspite1

No, no confusion - its all part of the same problem. You have high profile feminists like Germaine Greer. She should be shouting from the rooftops about mysoginistic rap lyrics, about female "pop" stars dressing as sluts, about the sexualisation of young girls through dolls like bratz. But I never hear her utter a word. Why? Because its too difficult, she doesn't want to lose her street cred. She is no different to the local spineless politician.



Sounds like Greer is maybe more political opportunist than some. Again, to be fair to Feminists, Feminism isn't necessarily a homogenous movement where everyone believes the exact same thing on particular issues. Feminists argue with each other and critique each other's positions on issues just like all academics do. That Benny Hill is banned and Bratz dolls aren't probably has more to do with who has more or less political clout. Banning an old TV show for sexism is probably an easy way to say, "see I support feminism", banning Bratz dolls probably takes a bit more political gutz.
warspite1

Exactement


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RE: Richard Briers RIP - 2/24/2013 8:39:26 PM   
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One other thing while we are talking about warped values. As wargamers, we cannot officially play games showing the Swastika in case we all turn into neo-Nazis. However, you CAN buy Grand Theft Auto and steal cars, kill people blah blah blah...


Very good counter point war.

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RE: Richard Briers RIP - 2/24/2013 8:46:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Gary Childress


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ORIGINAL: warspite1


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ORIGINAL: Gary Childress


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1


quote:

ORIGINAL: Gary Childress


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1


quote:

ORIGINAL: Gary Childress

Hmmm. I can see where some feminists might not like the way women are portrayed in the shows but banning them seems a bit extreme.
warspite1

Shame the lefty sisterhood don't get properly angry at your average Rihanna video or Bratz dolls, because of course they are perfectly acceptable......




Had to look up what a "Bratz doll" was, but this is something I found regarding them:

quote:

New concerns over the body image and lifestyle the Bratz dolls allegedly promote were raised by the American Psychological Association when they established their "Task Force on the Sexualization of Girls" in February 2007. In their published report, they cited concern over the adult-like sexuality the Bratz dolls allegedly portray.[2]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bratz

I'm sure there are feminists out there somewhere complaining about Bratz dolls. If not then they probably just slipped "under the radar" so to speak.
warspite1

NO they have NOT just slipped under the radar - they have been selling, in large numbers, to little girls for years thanks to those "parents" to whom this sort of thing does register as being damaging to their offspring.

Politicians go for the easy victories, the cheap wins. Attacking the likes of Benny Hill is easy - taking a stand on something like Bratz dolls is another matter - its not popular, you risk being seen as a prude, its all too damn difficult..... and not a vote winner, so why bother?


In all fairness to feminists, it sounds like you're confusing politics now with feminism. I would bet there are serious feminists out there who object to Bratz dolls. I don't think feminism is some homogenous movement where everyone believes in the exact same things anyway. I'm sure there are some vocal self proclaimed "feminists" out there who think teen girls flaunting sexuality is a great thing, but most of the serious feminists I've ever encountered personally have been against such things that would encourage sexualization of young girls.

Of course Bratz dolls sound like a pretty booming business right now and money usually talks loudest. Benny Hill and Faulty Towers are probably low hanging fruit because they aren't booming mult-imillion dollor businesses. But that's pretty much the way many cheesy politicians work. They go with whoever can get them the most in campaign donations. But I wouldn't blame feminism for that.
warspite1

No, no confusion - its all part of the same problem. You have high profile feminists like Germaine Greer. She should be shouting from the rooftops about mysoginistic rap lyrics, about female "pop" stars dressing as sluts, about the sexualisation of young girls through dolls like bratz. But I never hear her utter a word. Why? Because its too difficult, she doesn't want to lose her street cred. She is no different to the local spineless politician.



Sounds like Greer is maybe more political opportunist than some. Again, to be fair to Feminists, Feminism isn't necessarily a homogenous movement where everyone believes the exact same thing on particular issues. Feminists argue with each other and critique each other's positions on issues just like all academics do. That Benny Hill is banned and Bratz dolls aren't probably has more to do with who has more or less political clout. Banning an old TV show for sexism is probably an easy way to say, "see I support feminism", banning Bratz dolls probably takes a bit more political gutz.
warspite1

Exactement





But yeah, I thought the Benny Hill show and Are You Being Served were first rate. Those are the ones I mostly watched (other than Dr. Who which I love also). So those are the shows I most know about and cherish. Personally I think if everything were ever sorted out, in the end, Benny Hill would closely rank up there with Shakespeare on the issue of sexuality. As you say the joke was always on Benny and the boys. Now a couple of the Benny Hill epilsodes seemed a bit gratuituous, like troupes of females in lingerie dancing on stage to music (which I personally enjoyed BTW ). But that was probably more like the show "jumping the shark" than anything else. Scantily clad females usually gathers a big audience easily. But I agree, Bratz appears to be a bit more serious to worry about. Doesn't look like a very good image for young girls to live up to. "Passion for fasion" (the words of the Bratz publicity folks), what a waste of brain cells.

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RE: Richard Briers RIP - 2/25/2013 12:34:33 AM   
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I remember him as Bardolph in Branagh's Henry V, of which I cannot find a picture. Dr. Who will have to suffice.




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RE: Richard Briers RIP - 2/25/2013 3:24:21 AM   
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Damn...talk about a coincidence....I just watched Henry V last night!




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RE: Richard Briers RIP - 3/18/2013 11:56:16 PM   
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Thanks Wodin..I think Frank Thorton and Nicholas Smith are the only two surviving cast members from Are You Being Served? I always enjoyed Thorton's work...
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Sadly no longer.....

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RE: Richard Briers RIP - 3/19/2013 12:40:19 AM   
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Yes, I just saw that in the news.

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