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ORIGINAL: John Lansford

Any troops that enter the hex SE of Pegu from Pegu itself should trigger a shock attack since you're crossing the river, unless the Allies control the hex. If you control the hex, then any Japanese reinforcements from Moulmein will trigger a shock attack. If the first case is what's going on, I would not cross directly into that hex from Pegu. a 5000 AV vs 3000 AV advantage is not enough to dislodge the defenders even with air and naval assistance IMO. Unless you are certain those troops are badly disorganized or out of supply from being thrown out of Pegu, it's not worth it; a bad shock attack result can stall an advance for months.

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I could send in one corp w/ 1500AV then cross w/ all other troops 2 days later.

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ORIGINAL: bigred

Too bad I cant invade a nonbase hex.

• it is direcctly in the path of most enemy resistance
  
• after you force the river crossing, you still have another river to cross to get into Moulmein
  
• are you troops better prepared than the enemy for battle over Moulmein. I suspect the enemy will beat you in the PP race for Moulmein
  

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

Just because there are 10 Japanese divisions across the river is not, per se, a reason to not cross the river yourself. It depends on several factors.

1. Apparenty half the enemy force is in very poor condition. Plus they will not be dug in. That state of affairs won't necessarily show up in AV but will impact adversely in the fire phase.

2. It therefore very much depends on how combat effective is the pursuing Allied force. The immediate concern is how fatigue and disrupted the Allied units are. The medium concern is the apparent lack of supply at both Rangoon and Pegu. If the Allied force is in good condition and a large amount of supply is incoming to Rangoon, the river crossing is a valid option.

3. The Allies must cross the river in a single bound. Sending over a part of the force on day 1 and the rest on subsequent days is not good.

4. It seems to me that the Allied airforce is capable of maintaining the enemy disrupted whereas the enemy is incapable of disrupting the Allies.

5. Taking into account the preceding points, bearing in mind that the shock attack will accentuate the firepower impact (hence the importance of the Allies being in good shape and Japan being in poor shape), there is a chance that a 2:1 result will ensue and the unfortified enemy divisions forced to retreat. However this is where the importance of incoming supply is seen as at the very least the entire Allied army will secure a lodgement and with good supply will recover quicker than the already beat up enemy.

6. If those preconditions don't exist, a pause will be in order as you

(a) get supply in, and
(b) move directly east in order to avoid the river crossing

This would not be a problem provided the airforce can keep the enemy disrupted.

However, this raises a new issue. If the objective is to march on Bangkok, you are using the wrong axis. The Japanese bases in Thailand appear to be lightly held. If you swing a portion of your army to them you

(a) deprive the enemy of airfields, whih in turn will make Moulmein indefensible,
(b) directly threaten to march on Bangkok

The problem with the current axis is that

• it is direcctly in the path of most enemy resistance
  
• after you force the river crossing, you still have another river to cross to get into Moulmein
  
• are you troops better prepared than the enemy for battle over Moulmein. I suspect the enemy will beat you in the PP race for Moulmein
  

At some stage you are going to have to pause to get the logistics right. On your current axis that pause will be either now or in the next hex, or at the very latest when you get into Moulmein. If you change axis you can take advantage of the inevitable pause to outmaneouvre your opponent.

Alfred

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You have a sh*tload of tanks. In that event, take the unit you have with the most tanks, plot across the river, and set everything to follow and push off.

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ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon

You're forgeting the rule witpqs mentioned above. Unless your armoured unit's AV equals 1/3 of the defenders unadjusted AV level, any follow up troops will need to shock attack to cross the river. You must force a crossing with troops totalling a minimum of 1/3 of the defender's AV to meet this rule and allow follow up troops to move freely into the hex. I see a trashed armoured unit and a disastrous river crossing in store for you if you follow through on what you propose. As Alfred suggested, you either cross with everything at once or not, going in piecemeal is generally not a good idea, especially if you don't meet the initial river crossing requirments.

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ORIGINAL: bigred

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ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon

You're forgeting the rule witpqs mentioned above. Unless your armoured unit's AV equals 1/3 of the defenders unadjusted AV level, any follow up troops will need to shock attack to cross the river. You must force a crossing with troops totalling a minimum of 1/3 of the defender's AV to meet this rule and allow follow up troops to move freely into the hex. I see a trashed armoured unit and a disastrous river crossing in store for you if you follow through on what you propose. As Alfred suggested, you either cross with everything at once or not, going in piecemeal is generally not a good idea, especially if you don't meet the initial river crossing requirments.

Thanks sqz...so a recap:
1. If you make a cross river move w/ greater than 1/3 the defenders unadjusted AV then no shock attack.
2. If less than 1/3rd of the defenders AV then a shock attack will occur.
3. To minimize all worst case senarios the whole army should cross all at one time in combat mode(if in move mode then the army will shock attack(if needed)with a move mode AV value ).