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Minimize captured fuel? - 2/6/2013 2:58:24 AM   
guytipton41


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Hi AFB types,

Reading AARs and looking forward to my next game, I was wondering. Are there any specific actions you take to minimize the amount of fuel captured by the advancing Japanese. In my game I loaded up every tanker and AK leaving the SRA. Had a bunch of engineers in Palenbang. Are there any other actions that are worthwhile?

Cheers,
Guy




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RE: Minimize captured fuel? - 2/6/2013 3:32:48 AM   
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Instead of putting engineers in Palembang, evacuate it completely and let the partisans damage it?

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RE: Minimize captured fuel? - 2/6/2013 3:51:41 AM   
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Instead of putting engineers in Palembang, evacuate it completely and let the partisans damage it?


This won't work if you're playing the AI-- the computer doesn't have to worry about garrisons, so there's no danger to the AI from partisans.

My suggestion: turn off your refineries. That makes the Japanese have to refine the oil to get the fuel.

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RE: Minimize captured fuel? - 2/6/2013 11:57:56 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Capt Hornblower

quote:

ORIGINAL: gradenko_2000
Instead of putting engineers in Palembang, evacuate it completely and let the partisans damage it?


This won't work if you're playing the AI-- the computer doesn't have to worry about garrisons, so there's no danger to the AI from partisans.

My suggestion: turn off your refineries. That makes the Japanese have to refine the oil to get the fuel.



The refineries will be damaged from between the time you evacuate and the time the Jap AI takes the place - you also take a VP hit I think, but its minimal.

I like the idea of truning off the reineries though.

B

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RE: Minimize captured fuel? - 2/6/2013 5:32:14 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Gunner98


quote:

ORIGINAL: Capt Hornblower

quote:

ORIGINAL: gradenko_2000
Instead of putting engineers in Palembang, evacuate it completely and let the partisans damage it?


This won't work if you're playing the AI-- the computer doesn't have to worry about garrisons, so there's no danger to the AI from partisans.

My suggestion: turn off your refineries. That makes the Japanese have to refine the oil to get the fuel.



The refineries will be damaged from between the time you evacuate and the time the Jap AI takes the place - you also take a VP hit I think, but its minimal.

I like the idea of truning off the reineries though.

B


Turning off the refineries is the first thing I do when I begin doing orders in the SRA for allies on turn 1. You just don't need the fuel, and you don't need to give it to Japan.

On the other hand, fuel spoils and oil doesn't.

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RE: Minimize captured fuel? - 2/7/2013 2:42:45 AM   
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Turning off the refineries makes no difference looking back from the perspective of 1945.

Unless the Japanese have some very strange die rolls, there will always be more refining capacity than oil production capacity even after you repair every oil center (if you can, the cost is awful and a fully damaged Palumbang will take most of the war to repair as in real life)

So if the Allies turn off the refineries before losing them to the Japanese it simply means that the Japanese refineries will start running short of oil to refine in 45 instead of 44.

Also note that this is the reason that (in most cases barring really strange die rolls) it is a waste of supply points to repair any refineries.

Also note that in Scen2 the Japanese will run out of supplies before they run out of fuel unless they expand factories; then they will run out of resources if they don't run out of fuel first, followed by running out of supplies anyway. All those extra Scen2 goodies cost more supply then you will have unless you are "lucky" enough to lose them early or your opponent is nice enough to let you sit without moving, flying or fighting for a couple of years.

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RE: Minimize captured fuel? - 2/7/2013 3:22:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: pompack

Turning off the refineries makes no difference looking back from the perspective of 1945.

Unless the Japanese have some very strange die rolls, there will always be more refining capacity than oil production capacity even after you repair every oil center (if you can, the cost is awful and a fully damaged Palumbang will take most of the war to repair as in real life)

So if the Allies turn off the refineries before losing them to the Japanese it simply means that the Japanese refineries will start running short of oil to refine in 45 instead of 44.

Also note that this is the reason that (in most cases barring really strange die rolls) it is a waste of supply points to repair any refineries.

Also note that in Scen2 the Japanese will run out of supplies before they run out of fuel unless they expand factories; then they will run out of resources if they don't run out of fuel first, followed by running out of supplies anyway. All those extra Scen2 goodies cost more supply then you will have unless you are "lucky" enough to lose them early or your opponent is nice enough to let you sit without moving, flying or fighting for a couple of years.


Wow,

That is some good stuff to know if I play Japan in my next PBEM. Thanx for the insight.

Cheers,
Guy

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RE: Minimize captured fuel? - 2/7/2013 5:39:52 AM   
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Yeah, Scen 2 is very much a mixed bag. More early power, but you burn out sooner as well.

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