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RE: Formations - Progress - 2/14/2013 4:20:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		In my history studies, when I get to wars as the exclamation points of historical change, I tend to focus first on the strategic positions of the opponents, their requirements to win a war, and the campaigns, decisive battles in those campaigns toward the war's conclusion. As part of the study of the campaigns, I focus on the the generals who conduct the campaigns / battles.

Leads toward me paying attention to the larger scenarios when I want to mimic the command and control dynamics those generals faced.



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RE: Formations - Progress - 2/14/2013 6:12:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		In the manual it states that static units stand and fight until they surrender or are destroyed. I was not aware they even do rout...

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RE: Formations - Progress - 2/14/2013 10:11:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		They do rout but they rout "in place" - ie they cower in their fox holes.

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RE: Formations - Progress - 2/14/2013 10:56:33 PM   
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They do rout but they rout "in place" - ie they cower in their fox holes.


That's basically why static units are so infuriating under the release version - the low casualty rate means they effectively become unshakable fanatics.

Isn't a more realistic behaviour that when they rout the unit discards the heavy weapons that can't be limbered and everyone just runs for it with what they can carry?

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RE: Formations - Progress - 2/14/2013 11:21:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		If they're so suppressed they cower in fox holes to rout, they aren't firing their weapons.

If they aren't firing their weapons, they aren't inflicting casualties on your troops.


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RE: Formations - Progress - 2/14/2013 11:29:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		As far as I've observed once the static units 'rout' my units just pass straight over, as if it weren't there. If my units stay on top of it then usually it surrenders shortly afterwards. Happens often with static units guarding bridges in HTTR scenarios.

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RE: Formations - Progress - 2/14/2013 11:43:31 PM   
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As far as I've observed once the static units 'rout' my units just pass straight over, as if it weren't there. If my units stay on top of it then usually it surrenders shortly afterwards. Happens often with static units guarding bridges in HTTR scenarios.


That sounds like a nice "overrun" move/attack, that I´d wish for seeing not just on static units. In those cases, where an armored unit moves "through" a neutralized (routing in place/cowering) enemy unit, that anyway can´t deal with the armor for lack of any AT weaponry. The armor unit then should keep moving on, instead of shooting and let the cowering unit to be dealt with by following infantry.

That would be a big step forward, with regard to Blitzkrieg tactics (LOTB and Chir) and in general.

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RE: Formations - Progress - 2/15/2013 1:42:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		On Peiper's race for the Meuse, I have gotten a LOT of the overruns you referred to... sometimes so much so that I have had to direct infantry specifically to mop up, in order to keep the LOC cleared behind panzer units that still blitz effectively a'la '40-'41. The only thing I have really played with in this, is jumping up some of the unit stats in a few of the German units..morale, training, and determination.

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RE: Formations - Progress - 2/15/2013 5:12:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		The default behaviour for moving units is to ignore routers. There is a chance they may fire at them but by and larege they don't react to them.

In any event I am in the process of compiling a new build. Hopefully I will get this out to Matri later tonight or early tomorrow. Probably too late for them to do anything this week. But they should be able to release a public beta next week. This will have the combat, reaction and formation overhauls. So how about leaving discussion of build 256 combat and reaction behaviour till after then.

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RE: Formations - Progress - 2/15/2013 5:48:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks Dave.. you are really on top of things sir.. Thank you for supporting your product so well... here is one long term customer you have earned by that now.

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