Matrix Games Forums

Deal of the Week Battle Academy Battle Academy 2 Out now!Legions of Steel ready for betaBattle Academy 2 gets trailers and Steam page!Deal of the Week Germany at WarSlitherine Group acquires Shenandoah StudioNew information and screenshots for Pike & ShotDeal of the Week Pride of NationsTo End All Wars Releasing on Steam! Slitherine is recruiting: Programmers required
Forums  Register  Login  Photo Gallery  Member List  Search  Calendars  FAQ 

My Profile  Inbox  Address Book  My Subscription  My Forums  Log Out

Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake

 
View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
Users viewing this topic: none
  Printable Version
All Forums >> [General] >> General Discussion >> Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake Page: [1] 2 3   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 2:45:58 AM   
Neilster


Posts: 2257
Joined: 10/27/2003
From: Hobart, Tasmania, Australia
Status: offline
I've worked on fighters and this thing doesn't look right. The overall shape is reasonable for a low observables aircraft but it seems too small and lacks the details I would expect even of a prototype. The cockpit looks totally wrong and it doesn't seem to have enough mass. In short, it looks like a fairly shoddy mock-up and the supposed in-flight footage probably a RC model.

And the name even sounds like Queer, which this appears to be

Edit: I've just seen some more photos and added them to this post and...oh boy...this looks like the prop from a high school stage show.

Cheers, Neilster










Attachment (3)

< Message edited by Neilster -- 2/3/2013 4:46:50 AM >
Post #: 1
RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 4:08:57 AM   
Neilster


Posts: 2257
Joined: 10/27/2003
From: Hobart, Tasmania, Australia
Status: offline
Check out that clear-view canopy, that ultra smooth low-observables surface finish and the high-tech and super stealthy back of the cockpit instruments

Cheers, Neilster

(in reply to Neilster)
Post #: 2
RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 4:37:35 AM   
Neilster


Posts: 2257
Joined: 10/27/2003
From: Hobart, Tasmania, Australia
Status: offline
They probably should have picked a shorter "pilot" as this one doesn't appear to fit. Amazing attention to detail where the lavishly appointed cockpit meets the canopy (which seems not to have a seal). What's that hokey box plugged into the "jet"? The sheepish looks...I could go on...

Cheers, Neilster




Attachment (1)

(in reply to Neilster)
Post #: 3
RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 4:41:10 AM   
vonRocko

 

Posts: 1196
Joined: 11/4/2008
Status: offline
Looks like a build it yourself airplane kit. Doesn't anyone shave over there?

(in reply to Neilster)
Post #: 4
RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 4:50:59 AM   
Missouri_Rebel


Posts: 2584
Joined: 6/19/2006
From: Southern Missouri
Status: offline
Go on to youtube and take a good look at all the people living in western countries applauding Iran.

There is a cancer in America and the West. She is very sick.



< Message edited by Missouri_Rebel -- 2/3/2013 4:51:43 AM >


_____________________________

**Those who rob Peter to pay Paul can always count on the support of Paul
**A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have-Gerald Ford

(in reply to vonRocko)
Post #: 5
RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 4:56:52 AM   
Chickenboy


Posts: 18104
Joined: 6/29/2002
From: Twin Cities, MN
Status: offline
I totally agree. Fakey hokum all the way. Hey-that cockpit wire? THAT is the wire in 'fly by wire', idnit? Keep us posted, Neilster.

_____________________________


(in reply to vonRocko)
Post #: 6
RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 5:00:28 AM   
Missouri_Rebel


Posts: 2584
Joined: 6/19/2006
From: Southern Missouri
Status: offline
Where are the latches for the cockpit?

Yes. Please keep us posted.

_____________________________

**Those who rob Peter to pay Paul can always count on the support of Paul
**A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have-Gerald Ford

(in reply to Chickenboy)
Post #: 7
RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 5:11:22 AM   
Chickenboy


Posts: 18104
Joined: 6/29/2002
From: Twin Cities, MN
Status: offline
Video from the Iranian news agency. Note after about 4:30 in the segment when they fly this thing off a runway. It looks about the size of a small dog compared to the runway:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkHNLV7Peww

Also, note the undershots of the a/c. With the exception of the landing gear, totally smooth. Umm...doods? Shouldn't you have some weapons hardpoints under the wings or body for...umm...you know...missiles or something? Either that or (ala F-22) an internal weapons bay? But nope-a perfectly smooth underwing and underbody.

Faker'n fake.

_____________________________


(in reply to Missouri_Rebel)
Post #: 8
RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 6:25:38 AM   
Neilster


Posts: 2257
Joined: 10/27/2003
From: Hobart, Tasmania, Australia
Status: offline
I built a more authentic stealth aircraft in about 1989. The hypothetical Mig-37 Ferret E. At the time the F-19 Stealth Fighter model was all the rage but people in the know said that if you really wanted to know what the F-19 (or F-117 as it turned out) looked like, look at the Ferret E model.

Cheers, Neilster





Attachment (1)

(in reply to Chickenboy)
Post #: 9
RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 6:29:10 AM   
warspite1


Posts: 18534
Joined: 2/2/2008
From: England
Status: offline
It looks like Firefox...where's Clint Eastwood?

_____________________________

England expects that every man will do his duty - Horatio Nelson 1805.




(in reply to Neilster)
Post #: 10
RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 6:39:32 AM   
Southern_land


Posts: 2280
Joined: 11/19/2007
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: vonRocko

Doesn't anyone shave over there?



Didn't you know beards breaks down the face profile allowing the pilot to be more stealthy

(in reply to vonRocko)
Post #: 11
RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 7:18:50 AM   
Neilster


Posts: 2257
Joined: 10/27/2003
From: Hobart, Tasmania, Australia
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1

It looks like Firefox...where's Clint Eastwood?

I think you'll find the Firefox prop was much better built

Cheers, Neilster

(in reply to warspite1)
Post #: 12
RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 10:20:34 AM   
Josh

 

Posts: 2293
Joined: 5/9/2000
From: Leeuwarden, Netherlands
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1

It looks like Firefox...where's Clint Eastwood?


He must be on his way as we speak.

(in reply to warspite1)
Post #: 13
RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 10:23:49 AM   
Orm


Posts: 6087
Joined: 5/3/2008
From: Sweden
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Neilster


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1

It looks like Firefox...where's Clint Eastwood?

I think you'll find the Firefox prop was much better built

Cheers, Neilster


Of course it was since you built it.

_____________________________

Ladies and Gentlemen, this is your Captain speaking. We have a small problem. All four engines have stopped. We are doing our damnedest to get them going again. I trust you are not in too much distress. - Captain Eric Moody

(in reply to Neilster)
Post #: 14
RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 11:15:20 AM   
Neilster


Posts: 2257
Joined: 10/27/2003
From: Hobart, Tasmania, Australia
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Orm


quote:

ORIGINAL: Neilster


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1

It looks like Firefox...where's Clint Eastwood?

I think you'll find the Firefox prop was much better built

Cheers, Neilster


Of course it was since you built it.

Err...no...the one(s) in the 1982 movie... :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0BmrPrEm7g

It's an adaptation of the Craig Thomas novel and the first half is a pretty good espionage thriller but the flying action lacks all credibility and the John Dykstra special effects that worked so well in Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back didn't with aircraft.

Whoever designed the movie Mig-31 Firefox obviously knew a bit about fighter design and low-observables but the massive intakes and turbo-ramjet powerplants are completely unstealthy. I guess they were included to explain the supposed hypersonic performance of the aircraft.

BTW, the Ferret E I built looked better than the one above. I was really into aircraft modelling in those days. That design was well researched in that rather than being a fighter, the Mig-37 was a hypothetical electronic warfare and stealthy ground attack aircraft with internal (stealth) weapons carriage. It was assumed the Soviets would need to use faceting as they didn't have the computer power to design a stealth aircraft with curved surfaces. The hypothetical F-19 was well researched as well and it was decided that an American design would use these. They didn't realise how long the F-117 had been flying for and as a result it turned out to use faceting.

Cheers, Neilster





Attachment (1)

< Message edited by Neilster -- 2/3/2013 11:36:08 AM >

(in reply to Orm)
Post #: 15
RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 12:25:04 PM   
redcoat


Posts: 644
Joined: 8/31/2005
From: UK
Status: offline



They've just installed one of these childrens' rides in my local supermarket. Only 20p a go.

(in reply to Neilster)
Post #: 16
RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 12:36:29 PM   
Neilster


Posts: 2257
Joined: 10/27/2003
From: Hobart, Tasmania, Australia
Status: offline
Why is the "pilot" wearing a helmet? Is he about to actually go flying? No. Pilots put their helmet on after they are strapped into the seat on real missions. And how bad is that canopy?

Cheers, Neilster

(in reply to redcoat)
Post #: 17
RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 12:48:29 PM   
Dixie


Posts: 10193
Joined: 3/10/2006
From: UK
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: redcoat




They've just installed one of these childrens' rides in my local supermarket. Only 20p a go.



Probably goes higher, faster and further as well.

(in reply to redcoat)
Post #: 18
RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 1:01:32 PM   
Dixie


Posts: 10193
Joined: 3/10/2006
From: UK
Status: offline
Is that an analogue dial in the third picture? I love the retro feeling that they've given this aircraft. Not a MFD screen anywhere, make those pilots work out what's going on in their aircraft And think of the weight savings gained by making this out of plastic, and it's not as though Iran are short of oil to make plastics so that's a definite win. I'm not sure how they're planning to stop it though, there don't appear to be any hydraulic pipes down the undercarriage legs. Unless they use the canopy as a brake chute.

Would there me some sort of reason that all the markings etc are in English rather than Persian?

(in reply to Dixie)
Post #: 19
RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 1:51:22 PM   
vonRocko

 

Posts: 1196
Joined: 11/4/2008
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Dixie
Would there me some sort of reason that all the markings etc are in English rather than Persian?


Yeah, what's up with that? English is satans' language.

(in reply to Dixie)
Post #: 20
RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 2:29:29 PM   
Chickenboy


Posts: 18104
Joined: 6/29/2002
From: Twin Cities, MN
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Neilster

And how bad is that canopy?



Neilster, is the 'low visibility' with this design visibility out of the cockpit or visibility of the aircraft? It'd make sense with the former. Maybe Amadinthehead just got the mission profiles wrong.

_____________________________


(in reply to Neilster)
Post #: 21
RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 2:32:55 PM   
Neilster


Posts: 2257
Joined: 10/27/2003
From: Hobart, Tasmania, Australia
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Dixie

Is that an analogue dial in the third picture? I love the retro feeling that they've given this aircraft. Not a MFD screen anywhere, make those pilots work out what's going on in their aircraft And think of the weight savings gained by making this out of plastic, and it's not as though Iran are short of oil to make plastics so that's a definite win. I'm not sure how they're planning to stop it though, there don't appear to be any hydraulic pipes down the undercarriage legs. Unless they use the canopy as a brake chute.

Would there me some sort of reason that all the markings etc are in English rather than Persian?


I don't have a good picture of it but the "instrument panel" is truly comical. No HUD but it does have flat screens that are apparently from about 2006. Experts have spotted a Garmin GPS, instruments from light aircraft and an airspeed indicator that maxes out at 250 knots Not very high performance then.

The markings are probably just copied from their pre-revolution US aircraft...or the internet

Cheers, Neilster


(in reply to Dixie)
Post #: 22
RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 2:34:03 PM   
Chickenboy


Posts: 18104
Joined: 6/29/2002
From: Twin Cities, MN
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Dixie

Is that an analogue dial in the third picture? I love the retro feeling that they've given this aircraft. Not a MFD screen anywhere, make those pilots work out what's going on in their aircraft And think of the weight savings gained by making this out of plastic, and it's not as though Iran are short of oil to make plastics so that's a definite win. I'm not sure how they're planning to stop it though, there don't appear to be any hydraulic pipes down the undercarriage legs. Unless they use the canopy as a brake chute.

Would there me some sort of reason that all the markings etc are in English rather than Persian?


Dixie, I've got one word for you about the future: "Plastics". Of course that's where the future is on this, you infidel!

Neilster, any idea where I can "will and acquire" () a model of the Firefox?



_____________________________


(in reply to Dixie)
Post #: 23
RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 2:39:44 PM   
Neilster


Posts: 2257
Joined: 10/27/2003
From: Hobart, Tasmania, Australia
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Neilster

And how bad is that canopy?



Neilster, is the 'low visibility' with this design visibility out of the cockpit or visibility of the aircraft? It'd make sense with the former. Maybe Amadinthehead just got the mission profiles wrong.

I think he knows what he's doing

Cheers, Neilster




Attachment (1)

(in reply to Chickenboy)
Post #: 24
RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 2:42:17 PM   
Neilster


Posts: 2257
Joined: 10/27/2003
From: Hobart, Tasmania, Australia
Status: offline
quote:

Neilster, any idea where I can "will and acquire" () a model of the Firefox?


Found one. Not cheap at 60 quid but

http://www.comet-miniatures.co.uk/search.php?xsid=2315de860c0e6f90e1103e57def44c91&s_for=firefox

Cheers, Neilster


< Message edited by Neilster -- 2/3/2013 2:47:57 PM >

(in reply to Neilster)
Post #: 25
RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 2:45:00 PM   
Yogi the Great


Posts: 1099
Joined: 4/10/2007
From: Wisconsin
Status: offline



Wow this is clearly an advanced system!!! It flys and plays in 3D

(in reply to Neilster)
Post #: 26
RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 2:47:31 PM   
Chickenboy


Posts: 18104
Joined: 6/29/2002
From: Twin Cities, MN
Status: offline
Makes me wonder if they ALSO fabricated that USAF drone last year that they allegedly shot down completely intact.

_____________________________


(in reply to Yogi the Great)
Post #: 27
RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 2:50:19 PM   
Neilster


Posts: 2257
Joined: 10/27/2003
From: Hobart, Tasmania, Australia
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Makes me wonder if they ALSO fabricated that USAF drone last year that they allegedly shot down completely intact.

There were suspicious elements to that. Bits of it were hidden from the media etc. Can't remember the details though.

Cheers, Neilster

(in reply to Chickenboy)
Post #: 28
RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 2:53:12 PM   
Dixie


Posts: 10193
Joined: 3/10/2006
From: UK
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy



Dixie, I've got one word for you about the future: "Plastics". Of course that's where the future is on this, you infidel!

Neilster, any idea where I can "will and acquire" () a model of the Firefox?





Hang on a moment old boy. One of 'my' aircraft is covered in fabric and has wooden framework and the others use some new fangled semi-monocoque construction.

(in reply to Chickenboy)
Post #: 29
RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 2:53:25 PM   
Chickenboy


Posts: 18104
Joined: 6/29/2002
From: Twin Cities, MN
Status: offline
Well, talk about obscuring the relationship between the government and media. Try this on for size-pronounce this guy's name. Just once. I dare you. Can't do it? A-ha! That's because you're an infidel!

“How can we trust President Obama for talks if he sends his drones into our airspace?” the former commission member, Heshmatollah Falahatpisheh, said in an interview. “This move is counterproductive for any détente.”

_____________________________


(in reply to Neilster)
Post #: 30
Page:   [1] 2 3   next >   >>
All Forums >> [General] >> General Discussion >> Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake Page: [1] 2 3   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts


Forum Software © ASPPlayground.NET Advanced Edition 2.4.5 ANSI

0.107