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Nemo looked at this extensively maybe 2 years ago, I think his threads are in the War Room but maybe in the Mod folder. Anyway, his conclusion was that bomber guns were treated about equal to that of fighters. He came up with some alternative specs for the bomber guns (created a separate device number with substantially lower accuracy). They have never been incorporated into the stock game.

In my mod, I took his results and use his concept (separate devices for bomber guns), but not his proposed specs. His proposal basically nerfed the accuracy of the bomber guns. My solution decreases the accuracy, but not as much as Nemo proposed. I then also decrease the effect of the bomber guns. This causes a fair amount of damage on the defending fighters, but doesn't create very many bomber aces. For me, this better mimics my interpretation of the RL results. I'm fairly satisfied with my results thus far.

You may want to review those threads. The discussions were quite lively, especially the parts about bomber gunner accuracy. I'm a bit fortunate in that a good friend was a B24 belly turrent gunner in Africa and Italy. So I have some first hand accounts of how it was. When the discussion was going on, I would forward some of the posts to him for his thoughts. I never posted them here as Gene is a little blunt. The short of it is that 4E gunners were not aces ... the shooting solutions were far more difficult than the fighter pilots ... the 4E gunners were far more exposed and took heavy losses. Remember, fighter pilot had an engine block between him and what he shot at. 4E gunners had aluminum or glass. Gene survived his 20 missions. Belly gunners were one of the higher casualty positions in the B24 ...

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Obvert,

I remember a discussion on this subject a long time ago (2011 or something) but for the life of me can't find the thread.. I did find this in the patch notes as change 5.19:

"Facing of forward armament of all multi-engined level bombers set to Front"

That already has reduced the accuracy (used to be centerline guns). I remember attack bombers being way more effective vs fighters compared to your example.

Is it possible for you to go back to the combat replay and check on attack vectors? Fighters tend to attack level bombers in formation from low/high front or low/high rear with a few side attacks mixed in. Attacking 32 attack bombers (misidentified as level bombers) could lead to issues for the fighters.

If I was a fighter leader I would try to make a side attack on these monsters...