obvert
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We're in Jan 44 and I've been noticing for some time that the B25D1 seems awfully strong when attacked by fighters. I have more fighters shot down than bombers in the current attack, and these are among the better interceptors in Japan's arsenal, including Georges, Franks, Tojo IIc and Jacks. They generally do much better against 4E than this B25 variant. There were 28 fighters engaging immediately, Franks and Tojo IIc. Even though the times for all planes to engage were long, some of each made it for sure, (I watched the numbers build at various points and then get whittled away in the replay) as some of each are listed shot down. These groups had virtually no fatigue and moral for all was in the high 90s. Most pilots of Franks, Georges, Jacks and Tojo IIc are in the 6075 experience range, air and defensive skills averaging about 70. So here is what I wonder. Is the calculation for the defensive fire using the static forward facing guns as well as the turrets? Seems like it shouldn't because those guns are statically mounted for strafing. It's very frustrating to get the bombers unescorted and then have my interceptors completely chewed apart by them, much more so than if the same planes met the latest B24Js in equal numbers. The ones attacking the unescorted bombers did much worse than those attacking the Hellcat escorted planes. Something seems fishy about all of this. Here is the combat report. Please let me know if you need a save. I have just watched the replay but can send the turn file tomorrow.  Afternoon Air attack on 55th Field AA Battalion, at 99,129 (Buna) Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid detected at 58 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 16 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M3a Zero x 9 J2M3 Jack x 8 N1K1J George x 13 Ki43IIb Oscar x 15 Ki44IIc Tojo x 21 Ki84a Frank x 17 Allied aircraft B25D1 Mitchell x 32 Japanese aircraft losses A6M3a Zero: 1 destroyed J2M3 Jack: 1 destroyed N1K1J George: 1 destroyed Ki43IIb Oscar: 2 destroyed Ki44IIc Tojo: 2 destroyed Ki84a Frank: 2 destroyed Allied aircraft losses B25D1 Mitchell: 9 destroyed, 8 damaged Aircraft Attacking: 10 x B25D1 Mitchell bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb 7 x B25D1 Mitchell bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb CAP engaged: 201 Ku S1 with N1K1J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 9 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 6000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 14 minutes Akagi1 with J2M3 Jack (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 8 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 6000 , scrambling fighters to 6000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 144 minutes Hiyo1 with N1K1J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 6000 , scrambling fighters to 6000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 9 minutes 958 Ku T2 with A6M3a Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 9 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 6000 , scrambling fighters to 7000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 237 minutes 11th Sentai with Ki43IIb Oscar (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 6 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 6000 , scrambling fighters to 6000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 192 minutes 26th Sentai with Ki44IIc Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 10 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 12000 , scrambling fighters to 6000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 79 minutes 68th Sentai with Ki43IIb Oscar (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 9 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 6000 , scrambling fighters to 6000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 29 minutes 70th Sentai with Ki84a Frank (17 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 17 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 6000 Raid is overhead 203rd Sentai with Ki44IIc Tojo (11 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 11 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 6000 Raid is overhead  And here is rest of the battle. Although it feels like we should have got to more of them, these results are at least positive. On the day I end up with more planes destroyed than the Allies (~45 Allied and 55 IJ ), and this was the only action in the air!! Attacking mostly unescorted bombers in numbers and at the same altitude they're coming in on.  Afternoon Air attack on 3rd Garrison Unit , at 99,129 (Buna) Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid detected at 68 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 20 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M3a Zero x 22 J2M3 Jack x 10 N1K1J George x 14 Ki43IIb Oscar x 23 Ki44IIc Tojo x 26 Ki84a Frank x 17 Allied aircraft Mitchell II x 35 B25C Mitchell x 64 B25D1 Mitchell x 76 F6F3 Hellcat x 13 Japanese aircraft losses Ki43IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed Ki44IIc Tojo: 2 destroyed Allied aircraft losses Mitchell II: 5 damaged B25C Mitchell: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged B25D1 Mitchell: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged F6F3 Hellcat: 4 destroyed Japanese ground losses: 101 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Aircraft Attacking: 18 x Mitchell II bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb 17 x Mitchell II bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb 14 x B25D1 Mitchell bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb 15 x B25D1 Mitchell bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb 15 x B25D1 Mitchell bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb 15 x B25D1 Mitchell bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb 16 x B25D1 Mitchell bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb 16 x B25C Mitchell bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb 16 x B25C Mitchell bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb 15 x B25C Mitchell bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb 14 x B25C Mitchell bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb CAP engaged: 201 Ku S1 with N1K1J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 9 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 6000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes Akagi1 with J2M3 Jack (10 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 10 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 6000 Raid is overhead Hiyo1 with N1K1J George (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 5 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 6000 Raid is overhead 958 Ku T2 with A6M3a Zero (22 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 22 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 6000 Raid is overhead 11th Sentai with Ki43IIb Oscar (11 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 11 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 6000 Raid is overhead 26th Sentai with Ki44IIc Tojo (15 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 15 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 12000 Raid is overhead 68th Sentai with Ki43IIb Oscar (12 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 12 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 6000 Raid is overhead 12 planes vectored on to bombers 70th Sentai with Ki84a Frank (17 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 17 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 6000 Raid is overhead 203rd Sentai with Ki44IIc Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 11 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 6000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 21 minutes Banzai!  Makino D. in a Ki44IIc Tojo rams a B25D1 Mitchell for the Emperor  Morning Air attack on 22nd Division, at 99,129 (Buna) Weather in hex: Heavy cloud Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 27 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M3a Zero x 22 J2M3 Jack x 13 N1K1J George x 15 Ki43IIb Oscar x 26 Ki44IIc Tojo x 26 Ki84a Frank x 17 Allied aircraft B17E Fortress x 21 B24D Liberator x 20 B24D1 Liberator x 97 B24J Liberator x 38 PB4Y1 Liberator x 30 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses B24D1 Liberator: 2 damaged B24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged Japanese ground losses: 80 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Guns lost 6 (2 destroyed, 4 disabled) Aircraft Attacking: 12 x PB4Y1 Liberator bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb 9 x PB4Y1 Liberator bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb 9 x PB4Y1 Liberator bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb 10 x B24D1 Liberator bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb 10 x B24D1 Liberator bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb 11 x B24D1 Liberator bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb 11 x B24D1 Liberator bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb 9 x B24D1 Liberator bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb 12 x B24D Liberator bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb 12 x B17E Fortress bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb 9 x B24J Liberator bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb 12 x B24D1 Liberator bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb 9 x B24J Liberator bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb 9 x B24D1 Liberator bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb 8 x B24J Liberator bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb 7 x B24J Liberator bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb 8 x B24D Liberator bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb 9 x B17E Fortress bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb 9 x B24D1 Liberator bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb 9 x B24D1 Liberator bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb 3 x B24J Liberator bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb 7 x B24D1 Liberator bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb CAP engaged: 201 Ku S1 with N1K1J George (10 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 10 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 6000 Raid is overhead Akagi1 with J2M3 Jack (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 13 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 6000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 5 minutes Hiyo1 with N1K1J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 5 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 6000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 21 minutes 958 Ku T2 with A6M3a Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 22 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 6000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 4 minutes 11th Sentai with Ki43IIb Oscar (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 13 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 6000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 5 minutes 26th Sentai with Ki44IIc Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 15 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 12000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 7 minutes 68th Sentai with Ki43IIb Oscar (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 13 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 6000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 12 minutes 70th Sentai with Ki84a Frank (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 17 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 6000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 3 minutes 203rd Sentai with Ki44IIc Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 11 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 6000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes Also attacking Kure 7th SNLF ... Also attacking 3rd Garrison Unit ... Also attacking 91st Infantry Regiment ... Also attacking 14th Garrison Unit ... Also attacking 22nd JNAF AF Unit ... Also attacking 47th Engineer Regiment ... Also attacking 22nd Division ... Also attacking 57th Field AA Battalion ... Also attacking 55th Field AA Battalion ... Also attacking 39th Road Const Co ... Also attacking Kure 7th SNLF ... Also attacking 16th AA Regiment ... Also attacking 3rd Garrison Unit ... Also attacking 22nd Division ... Also attacking 3rd Garrison Unit ... Also attacking 22nd Division ... Also attacking 3rd Garrison Unit ... Also attacking Kure 7th SNLF ... Also attacking 22nd Division ... Also attacking 55th Field AA Battalion ... Also attacking 22nd Division ... Also attacking Kure 7th SNLF ... Also attacking 3rd Garrison Unit ... Also attacking 91st Infantry Regiment ... Also attacking 14th Garrison Unit ... Also attacking 22nd JNAF AF Unit ... Also attacking 47th Engineer Regiment ... Also attacking 57th Field AA Battalion ... Also attacking 39th Road Const Co ... Also attacking Kure 7th SNLF ... Also attacking 3rd Garrison Unit ... Also attacking 22nd Division ... Also attacking 3rd Garrison Unit ... Also attacking 22nd Division ... Also attacking 55th Field AA Battalion ...  Morning Air attack on 3rd Garrison Unit , at 99,129 (Buna) Weather in hex: Heavy cloud Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 4 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M3a Zero x 16 J2M3 Jack x 9 N1K1J George x 8 Ki43IIb Oscar x 18 Ki44IIc Tojo x 19 Ki84a Frank x 8 Allied aircraft B24J Liberator x 6 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses B24J Liberator: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged Aircraft Attacking: 3 x B24J Liberator bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb CAP engaged: 201 Ku S1 with N1K1J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 5 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 6000 , scrambling fighters to 6000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 262 minutes Akagi1 with J2M3 Jack (9 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 9 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 6000 Raid is overhead Hiyo1 with N1K1J George (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 3 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 6000 Raid is overhead 958 Ku T2 with A6M3a Zero (16 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 16 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 6000 Raid is overhead 11th Sentai with Ki43IIb Oscar (9 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 9 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 6000 Raid is overhead 26th Sentai with Ki44IIc Tojo (11 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 11 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 12000 Raid is overhead 68th Sentai with Ki43IIb Oscar (9 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 9 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 6000 Raid is overhead 70th Sentai with Ki84a Frank (8 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 8 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 6000 Raid is overhead 203rd Sentai with Ki44IIc Tojo (8 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 8 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 6000 Raid is overhead
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