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Standalone.. - 1/30/2013 7:57:31 PM   
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Wish I'd have known that all the future games where going to be standalone. I wouldn't have bought AJE and would have waited for an era I was more into. I do understand there cheap..but would have been good to know.

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RE: Standalone.. - 1/31/2013 3:12:11 PM   
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Exactly. I was thinking from what I read on the various product pages that future scenarios would just install under the original AJE game. I would have waited also, and for the same reason as Wodin.

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RE: Standalone.. - 2/1/2013 10:53:48 AM   
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I am not going to buy it because i am not interested in all scens AND buying them as separate DLCs are cheaper (WTF AGEOD release DLCs to now release a new stand alone game)... i am very disapointed with AGEOD and i am not the only one, i buy AJE to have a base game where add the scens I WANT and now this???

PD: and i have ALL their games except first BOA and Great invasions.

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RE: Standalone.. - 2/1/2013 1:53:29 PM   
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Well I'm not alone then.

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RE: Standalone.. - 2/1/2013 2:06:42 PM   
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No. Not alone.

But the publishers can do whatever they want to do. I don't care anymore.

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RE: Standalone.. - 2/2/2013 4:45:37 PM   
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The price of BOR is the same as when it was planned by Ageod as an extension, anyhow...


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RE: Standalone.. - 2/2/2013 9:07:07 PM   
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Wierd complaint - pay 20 bucks for it standalone or 20 bucks as DLC. Whats the difference? If you only wanted the DLC and had no interest in the original game but bought it for the DLC - why didnt you just wait for the DLC to come out and then buy the original. After all ...

1. How did you know what the DLC was going to be that it would make you buy the original just for that reason ?
2. The original would likely have been cheaper then.
3. You wouldnt have had anything to complain about when they switched to standalone.

This is the digital age ... they are not going to "run out" of copies.

Smacks of someone getting a bit prissy after the fact over the cost of an original he didnt play.

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RE: Standalone.. - 2/2/2013 9:49:23 PM   
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Because I wouldn't have bought AJE in the first place and spent the money on a period I wanted..thats the problem. I only bought it under he assumption I'd need it for future AJE games. So we have spent erm £19 without needing too..so yes it does matter really. We bought a game we didn't really want because we thought we'd need it for later releases.

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RE: Standalone.. - 2/3/2013 6:45:51 AM   
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+1 Wodin.
I feel ripped off.
I wanted later battles against goths, gauls, and celts.
Had I known DLC would be stand alone AJE would not be on my laptop.

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RE: Standalone.. - 2/3/2013 7:13:31 AM   
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What? You guys were already thinking DLC when Alea came out?

Besides, it might have something to do with Matrix acquiring AGEOD. Just a guess.

I'm more concerned with seeing the ageod engine updated really. I hope that is something they will be working on. Give the players more tactical choices.

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RE: Standalone.. - 2/3/2013 11:31:57 AM   
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Eeee buying the 5 scens as DLCs is a lot cheaper, a DLC from AGEOD cost 3 euros 5x3= 15 that in my country is less than 20 AND these 5 scens i buy as DLCs have as extra that they are the 5 scens I WANT not the 5 scens that AGEOD wants... for me in ROR only 2 scens attract my interest... as DLCs i only need pay 6 euros to have them as stand alone need pay 20

AGEOD for me do a bad movement here... if you want have all punic wars you need have 2-3 games and i think is a lot better buy one and use DLC over it... i never was a fan of DLC system but here is a lot better buy a game and put on it the scens you want than the standalone system

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RE: Standalone.. - 2/3/2013 11:57:31 AM   
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Eeee buying the 5 scens as DLCs is a lot cheaper, a DLC from AGEOD cost 3 euros 5x3= 15 that in my country is less than 20 AND these 5 scens i buy as DLCs have as extra that they are the 5 scens I WANT not the 5 scens that AGEOD wants... for me in ROR only 2 scens attract my interest... as DLCs i only need pay 6 euros to have them as stand alone need pay 20

AGEOD for me do a bad movement here... if you want have all punic wars you need have 2-3 games and i think is a lot better buy one and use DLC over it... i never was a fan of DLC system but here is a lot better buy a game and put on it the scens you want than the standalone system


thats ridiculous. following that model combat mission would allow you to purchase only the individual scenarios you want. And any other game would have to divide up their content into individual packs so you only pay for what YOU want. That may work for you but I doubt its any sensible way they can run their development.

you also seem to presume they would have priced the individual DLC that would have made it cheaper to buy them individually than as the game they have now done. What about us that wanted all of the content in RoR ? I suspect following your model they would have had to price the DLC at a rate thet would have led to RoR being considerably more expensive for all the content. But I guess if YOU get what YOU want thats ok..?

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RE: Standalone.. - 2/3/2013 12:00:20 PM   
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Because I wouldn't have bought AJE in the first place and spent the money on a period I wanted..thats the problem. I only bought it under he assumption I'd need it for future AJE games. So we have spent erm £19 without needing too..so yes it does matter really. We bought a game we didn't really want because we thought we'd need it for later releases.


did you not read what I said ? You "thought" you would need it. If there was nothing in the original you wanted there was nothing at all compelling you to buy it when you did for content you "thought" might arrive. what if the game had bombed and they didnt produce anything else for it ? you would be complaining about that then ?

Its your assumption that was the problem not the way they are selling their game. And thats not even accounting for the fact as to why you though all the games in the ancient series would simply be DLC for one original and not separate games in themselves. Who told you that would be the case ? Was RoP DLC for WiA ?

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RE: Standalone.. - 2/3/2013 12:43:37 PM   
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Well it wasn't just a thought..at no time was it mentioned the future games would be standalone..also it was always said AJE would have expansions covering other eras to make it the ultimate Rome wargame...so we weren't told exactly what would be happening. Infact it was read by many I think that expansions would be integrated into AJE..only when AGEOD was bought out by Slitherine did it suddenly change to it being a standalone.

Hoebstly I'm not sure we can be held to blame for this when something was chnaged at some point. If it was the case all along that they would be standalone then GEOD should have come out and said all future games will be standalone so if your not into AJE era then wait..but they didn't, it was pretty much said it would get expansions.

Anyway it's not worth arguing about..I'm not seething or anything, just think something chnaged and we weren't given all the info. AJE was good but I can live without future games to be honest. As I feel something abit underhand went on here I will not buy anymore in the series. You and others may say I'm wrong , fair enough if you show me where it says all future games will be standalone BEFORE AJE came out I will say sorry.

Lets say I really wanted the BoR era but bought AJE thinking like many others you need it o play that era..now I find I didn't have to buy AJE..so instead of paying around £19 for it..I'd have paid £38!

I'm sure they will do OK without me and any others who feel the same way. Maybe next time they will be upfront about their products and how they will be sold.

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RE: Standalone.. - 2/3/2013 2:15:59 PM   
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Because I wouldn't have bought AJE in the first place and spent the money on a period I wanted..thats the problem. I only bought it under he assumption I'd need it for future AJE games. So we have spent erm £19 without needing too..so yes it does matter really. We bought a game we didn't really want because we thought we'd need it for later releases.


did you not read what I said ? You "thought" you would need it. If there was nothing in the original you wanted there was nothing at all compelling you to buy it when you did for content you "thought" might arrive. what if the game had bombed and they didnt produce anything else for it ? you would be complaining about that then ?

Its your assumption that was the problem not the way they are selling their game. And thats not even accounting for the fact as to why you though all the games in the ancient series would simply be DLC for one original and not separate games in themselves. Who told you that would be the case ? Was RoP DLC for WiA ?

At first it was going to be a dlc. I'm not going to go through the ageod forums, but I know dlc was the plan. This standalone release was a surprise to most of us. His assumption was not wrong. Doesn't make much difference to me, but let's get the facts straight.

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RE: Standalone.. - 2/3/2013 3:50:57 PM   
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Because I wouldn't have bought AJE in the first place and spent the money on a period I wanted..thats the problem. I only bought it under he assumption I'd need it for future AJE games. So we have spent erm £19 without needing too..so yes it does matter really. We bought a game we didn't really want because we thought we'd need it for later releases.


did you not read what I said ? You "thought" you would need it. If there was nothing in the original you wanted there was nothing at all compelling you to buy it when you did for content you "thought" might arrive. what if the game had bombed and they didnt produce anything else for it ? you would be complaining about that then ?

Its your assumption that was the problem not the way they are selling their game. And thats not even accounting for the fact as to why you though all the games in the ancient series would simply be DLC for one original and not separate games in themselves. Who told you that would be the case ? Was RoP DLC for WiA ?

At first it was going to be a dlc. I'm not going to go through the ageod forums, but I know dlc was the plan. This standalone release was a surprise to most of us. His assumption was not wrong. Doesn't make much difference to me, but let's get the facts straight.



In fact, a post about the expansion from the Ageod forum that states AJE WOULD BE REQUIRED. http://www.ageod-forum.com/showthread.php?27208-New-scenerios-or-DLC

Yes, now, we can confirm the fact that Birth of Rome is the next AJE extension !

BIRTH OF ROME is the first of the expansion packs that the AJE team is preparing for this historical strategy title that should cover ultimately all the Roman era. It shall be available on January 2013, at the price of de 19,99 €. The AJE team is working intensely to allow you simulating the following new wars :

-The 3rd Samnite War opposing Rome and the Etruscan and Samnite tribes between 298 and 291 BC, that will bring Roman control of central Italy.

-The Senones War (284 to 282 BC), a violent Gallic tribe in Northern Italy at war against Rome. Victory against those powerful Celtic warriors allows the Romans to take their revenge against those who plundered Rome en 390 BC.

-Pyrrhic Victories (280 BC to 272 BC) where the Senate of Rome finally manages to capture Tarentum and southern Italt after having repulsed one of the greatest ancient warrior king, Pyrrhus of Epirus.

-The First Punic War, a very long campaign between 264 and 241 BC, pitting Rome versus Carthage for the control of Sicily. A balanced struggle, focusing on naval operations. A shorter version starts in 256 BC.

-The Mercenary War (241 BC to 238 BC), a fight between an exhausted Carthage and her own rebelled mercenaries in Africa. Not suited for sensitive minds…

BIRTH OF ROME requires ownership of the ALEA JACTA EST game, as it is not a standalone product.

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RE: Standalone.. - 2/3/2013 4:17:10 PM   
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Well that settles it..they changed the goal posts so i think we have a right to moan about it.

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RE: Standalone.. - 2/3/2013 4:44:11 PM   
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Well that settles it..they changed the goal posts so i think we have a right to moan about it.


Well, yes an no you would have a right to moan about it.

Yes, you would have a right to moan if you bought into the series thinking that the base module and all future expansions (at least BOR) would be combined into a single install on your computer. That is all that is really mentioned. It guarantees no specific content/DLC in the future.

However, I believe you indicated your main reason for not liking the decision of having separate installs is because you didn't like the content with the base AJE game, but only bought it because you felt it would be necessary to have the base game to play the future content you thought would eventually be available. If this was the case for people, then I don't believe you have any reason to complain since no specific content has ever been promised nor can it be guaranteed since who knows how sales/interest will drive this series.

If you were under the impression the AJE was required for all future expansions, you should have held off buying the base AJE game until the moment the content/expansion you really wanted was available. This way you wouldn't have been stuck with content you didn't want if the game never ended up providing the content you were hoping would be available in the future. There was no reason to rush and buy the base AJE version right away since it still would have been available when expansions were released.


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RE: Standalone.. - 2/3/2013 6:13:09 PM   
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erm..no my problem is I bought AJE under the assumption you need it for future games in the series..I know they'd at some point be made i.e Britain\Gaul and Germanic tribes. That is my issue..not that I don't like AJE but that I was told I'd need it for any future game. Your nit picking.

Why should I hold off? It's obvious the era's I like will be done..at some point and I was willing to take that "risk"..I wouldn't take the "risk" if I knew I didn't need it.

They said one thing and did another.

This forum can be very tiresome.

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RE: Standalone.. - 2/3/2013 6:23:23 PM   
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erm..no my problem is I bought AJE under the assumption you need it for future games in the series..I know they'd at some point be made i.e Britain\Gaul and Germanic tribes. That is my issue..not that I don't like AJE but that I was told I'd need it for any future game. Your nit picking.

Why should I hold off? It's obvious the era's I like will be done..at some point and I was willing to take that "risk"..I wouldn't take the "risk" if I knew I didn't need it.

They said one thing and did another.



As you mentioned you took the risk and with risk comes uncertainty. There is absolutely no guarantee the era you like will be done unless you have some kind of insider information. What if sales are bad, do you think the game will be expanded? What if ageod decides tomorrow they want to stop making games? Many factors could happen that could prevent them from getting to the era you want.

If you wanted the safest bet, it would have been the best option to not buy the base game until the era you wanted was available. Anything short of that was a risk that was accepted the moment you purchased the game. In this case it worked against you, in other cases you might have beaten the odds.


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RE: Standalone.. - 2/4/2013 11:31:47 AM   
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Well that settles it..they changed the goal posts so i think we have a right to moan about it.


Well - I stand corrected they said that (about rise of rome at least). But given that would have been posted long after you bought the original game and you were even then completely unaware of its existence until someone else posted it it still doesnt alter the fact that there was no reason for you to have bought the game when you did - and it was entirely an assumption you were making. And if anyone is being underhanded it is you with your professed reason as to why the AJE game is superfluous to your requirements ... which would actually be what you said in a different post.

No mate..got AJE..never given it the time it deserves though to be honest..until the Germanic tribes\Brits and Gauls come along I think I will hold off..I found with AJE having little Ancient Warfare and historcial Knowledge meant I never really knew what I was supposed to be doing or how to do it with no reference point in my mind to go by.

So - what I am saying is if you are going to bounce around accusations of underhandedness you should at least start from a point of honesty yourself.

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RE: Standalone.. - 2/4/2013 12:01:24 PM   
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DBeves that you dont know what AGEOD said about the plans to use AJE as base game doesnt made the movement fun for guys that know what AGEOD says and buy AJe under false information if i know that they plan release stand alone games not DLCs I DONT BUY AJE, is easy understand this for you??? and i am not the only one that buy AJE to have the game as base for more interesting scens.

Now for example i read that they are planing scens for ROR... AGEOD plan do again the same move??? say they work in more scens for ROR to release them as stand alone???

For me AGEOD lose all his value for me, their words has the same value as a 1.50 euros coin

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RE: Standalone.. - 2/4/2013 12:35:20 PM   
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DBeves that you dont know what AGEOD said about the plans to use AJE as base game doesnt made the movement fun for guys that know what AGEOD says and buy AJe under false information if i know that they plan release stand alone games not DLCs I DONT BUY AJE, is easy understand this for you??? and i am not the only one that buy AJE to have the game as base for more interesting scens.

Now for example i read that they are planing scens for ROR... AGEOD plan do again the same move??? say they work in more scens for ROR to release them as stand alone???

For me AGEOD lose all his value for me, their words has the same value as a 1.50 euros coin

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all his value for me, their words has the


Stupid logic. So you can say that as I didnt know for certain whether the future content would be DLC or standalone I cannot critisize people who made that assumption and were wrong - but it is ok for you , making an assumption from an equally ignorant position as to their intentions, to critisize AGEOD because you were wrong ?

I am not stating this is the case for people who bought after seeing the advertisement for rise of rome - then you have fair comment. I am Criticisizing Wodin because he is being disengenuous after the fact about his reasons for not wanting the AJE game - and the fact that he could easily have waited and bought the game when he knew for certain - or after the rise of rome details were published and then had a GENUINE complaint.

In any event - their plans changed - **** happens - get over it. Why the immediate presumption of dishonesty - rather than a genuine change of plans for business / development reasons ? The way some of you people talk about these things is as if they have commited the most heinous crime against humanity.

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RE: Standalone.. - 2/4/2013 2:57:50 PM   
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DBeves you are a fun troll, fun and ignorant

From AJE oficial info in AGEOD forum
http://www.ageod-forum.com/showthread.php?24497-AGEOD-s-New-Game-ALEA-JACTA-EST

"First Expansion Pack
After the AJE release, the team developing the game has pledged to commit to its first Expansion Pack (Birth of Rome 312 to 236 BC, with many new scenarios and campaigns in the beginnings of the Republic), which will become available in a date to be announced after the game's release, the first of a series of planned expansions aimed at covering most of the Roman Empire history."

Expansion is NOT the same as a game because ROR is a GAME not an expansion of a game.

Then AGEOD provide customers FALSE info and is customer fault asume what??? dont talk **** when you dont have **** idea what are you talking about

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RE: Standalone.. - 2/4/2013 3:22:47 PM   
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Who really cares? They priced the game at the same price point as the expansion?? It's just a game, not life....

So they had a change in marketing plans. People are allowed to make changes to their plans! This route apparently fits into their line of games better. Who knows. Give them some slack. It's not a conspiracy against us! They are trying to make a living doing something that they love.

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RE: Standalone.. - 2/4/2013 3:39:14 PM   
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Yep, they are free to change all they want in the same way i am free to change my buy politic for AGEOD games BUT is a little diference, i can change it without problems when they provide "false information"... if i take it "seriously" i can go to guys who know about laws and leave them decide if their free is or not legal but i take the easy way, dont buy more AGEOD games in release date and i can say that i am not the only one in other wargamer forum people is complaining a lot to and they WANT the scens but not at all cost.

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RE: Standalone.. - 2/4/2013 3:44:41 PM   
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DBeves you are a fun troll, fun and ignorant

From AJE oficial info in AGEOD forum
http://www.ageod-forum.com/showthread.php?24497-AGEOD-s-New-Game-ALEA-JACTA-EST

"First Expansion Pack
After the AJE release, the team developing the game has pledged to commit to its first Expansion Pack (Birth of Rome 312 to 236 BC, with many new scenarios and campaigns in the beginnings of the Republic), which will become available in a date to be announced after the game's release, the first of a series of planned expansions aimed at covering most of the Roman Empire history."

Expansion is NOT the same as a game because ROR is a GAME not an expansion of a game.

Then AGEOD provide customers FALSE info and is customer fault asume what??? dont talk **** when you dont have **** idea what are you talking about

DBeves




LOL - so they dont use the words DLC or standalone anywhere in what you posted and you are still saying it was their dishonesty rather than your mistaken presumption ? And so a troll is anyone with a contrary opinion to you ? There have been LOTS of games in all genres that have been termed expansions but are standalone. And a troll is someone who says things deliberately to get a rise out of you. I just dont agree with you. there is a difference even if you are too ignorant to know it. The simple fact is they did not say in that post anything about how it would be delivered but you still insist they have been underhand. thats a troll friend.

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RE: Standalone.. - 2/4/2013 3:55:18 PM   
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And a guy that with 0 arguments insist in same facts that are false.

And yes, the use of the word EXPANSION is very important if you are unable to understand it... expect that you never have problems in your life with words that made you take wrong decisions when they are used to confuse you.

AGEOD has lots of games and ihave practically ALL buyed first days of release BUT in none of them they say or use the words EXPANSION PACKS, they do all fine until AJE because they dont use false info with their customers... your argument is like i say "a killer is inocent because before his kill he was a legal guy, we cant judge him"

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RE: Standalone.. - 2/4/2013 4:39:56 PM   
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Putting all of that aside, how is BOR? Is it playable? I found AJE to be too hard for me to manage such a vast map and keep track of all my units! It looks like BOR is in a more concentrated area?

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Putting all of that aside, how is BOR? Is it playable? I found AJE to be too hard for me to manage such a vast map and keep track of all my units! It looks like BOR is in a more concentrated area?

I suck at all AGEOD games but in Birth Of Rome Third Samnite War scenario, I'm holding my own as the Romans and I think I will gain the upper hand. It's the only scenario I've played so far but it is quite manageable because it only covers Italy.

As for DLC or standalone...I think we have to keep in mind that sometimes reality has a habit of smacking you right in the face. We don't know the reasons why the decision was made but we can't automatically assume dishonesty. It may well have been a decision made for perfectly good business reasons, and it may well be that when initially announced as DLC that it was a sincere statement at the time and not meant to con anybody at a later date. At least they didn't try and charge any more than they were intending in the first place. I think that says something positive about them as a company.

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