From: Jackson Tn
What we are witnessing is the pansiefication of the american male
If women are our total equals why then are the olympics devided into male and female categories?
These same creatures that we open doors for,stand up for if were sitting and they approuched
we're now going to throw a weapon and tell them"stand too soldier and act like a man"
Yea thats real lady-like behavior!But i forget we men want our women to be more like men and we be metrosexual
a kinder gentler WIMP!
Honestly, we're talking about a small minority of women here who want the right to qualify for combat roles. I think you can rest assured that there will be plenty of us around who still want to have doors opened for us and other courtesies.
I don't want all men to become WIMPs but I also have no problem with the minority that are kinder and gentler. It takes all kinds of people to make a world and we need to respect everyone's right to be their own person. All gender attributes, both physical and mental reside on a wide spectrum between very masculine to very feminine. Males and females come down all over that spectrum... strong, masculine women and weak, effeminate males. We've all known people who deviate from the average male and female roles. There are strong women out there who will make great soldiers, just as there are weak males who have no business being anywhere close to combat.
I'll stand by my prediction that five years from now this will be a forgotten issue. It will work for some women and not for others. Standards will be adjusted as appropriate based upon experience with women in combat. We may very well discover that women make a significant contribution based on their gender differences and not despite them. If women are better shots as Gunny suggested, perhaps they will make excellent snipers. I've already suggested that women may be stealthier for infiltration and recon. We won't know till we try it.
Just as an aside, I watched "The Front Line" for the 2nd time last night and reflected on this discussion as the North Korean female sniper "2 second" killed one man after another. She wasn't carrying a 65 pound pack either, just her rifle and a rucksack. I would suggest that a woman in a combat unit doesn't necessarily have to carry the same load as the men as long as she has skills that compensate. For example, being able to act as a translator, special weapon skills, or maybe just being really, smart, or a natural leader.
It will be interesting whatever happens. I still say let's meet back here in five years and evaluate. In the meantime, the world isn't going to come to an end if some women get a combat MOS or even end up being a company commander (or higher). We have women commanding fighter squadrons now, so why not female infantry commanders. We can also discuss whether the Army collapsed due to the repeal of DADT (another hot button issue).
Great thoughts on the issue rhonda. I would hold a door open for you anytime. Since the barn door has been opened we will get to see how this social experiment goes. I still think it is a mistake to do this. Politicians do things in baby steps that chip away from our basic freedoms, and yes, traditions. This is like a dripping faucet, it does not seem so bad as it drips, but overall it adds up.
Still, you posted the best, reasoned response to the pro-side we have had here.
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