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Admiral WitP vs boardgames - 1/2/2013 1:15:14 PM   
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I am really enjoying the game but sometimes I feel I miss to have a clear view of the operations. I do not like the fact that you cant decide to launch the air attacks for example, but it is minor issue.

What I liked for old style boardgames was that you have on the table a clear view of your map and units from the beginning. The drawback is obviously the playability in solitaire games. With computer you can play all scenarios.

Does someone else miss or have any favorite pacific based board war game that matches WitP ?

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RE: Admiral WitP vs boardgames - 1/2/2013 2:11:18 PM   
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I miss those days but it is totally impossible for most of us with families. Especially wargamers with cats scattering pieces everywhere.

What's nice about computer games is that wargames are not graphic intensive so you can play them on a cheap laptop for when you are on the go.

I know you are asking about Pacific War games but I do miss playing table top Starfleet Battles.

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RE: Admiral WitP vs boardgames - 1/2/2013 3:26:55 PM   
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No, I find I miss the face to face interaction with my buddies but that is about all. I played enough monster board games to know that you really never get the chance to go far in them. Combine that with the space and time they demand and it just never was practicable to play them. I bought more than I ever played. A game such as AE would be unplayable as an old fashioned board game.

One day I will tell you the story about the pot roast that was dropped on a massive board game....That should cure you of any nostalgia for a while.

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RE: Admiral WitP vs boardgames - 1/2/2013 4:24:07 PM   
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I miss those days but it is totally impossible for most of us with families. Especially wargamers with cats scattering pieces everywhere.

What's nice about computer games is that wargames are not graphic intensive so you can play them on a cheap laptop for when you are on the go.

I know you are asking about Pacific War games but I do miss playing table top Starfleet Battles.


You might be interested in a little gem I discovered on Steam, called Faster than Light or FTL, that's only a couple dollars while it's on sale. I'm not sure if it still is now or not. Its an Indie game with basic graphics, but its right in line with Starfleet Battles for your computer. I love it...

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RE: Admiral WitP vs boardgames - 1/2/2013 4:24:25 PM   
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To me a big advantage of WITP over the boardgame versions is the fact that you cannot see all the units on the board. Computer versions of boardgames (which is, in effect, what WITP provides) do a much better job of providing Fog of War - the nasty surprise that you receive when your enemy shows up in an entirely unexpected location.

The best boardgame covering any portion of the Pacific Theater was Flattop, IMO.

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RE: Admiral WitP vs boardgames - 1/2/2013 5:45:48 PM   
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As a kid I never had the space to keep Flat Top set up.  The dining room table (special events only) was simply a cat magnet.

When UV came along, the desire to even try it again just faded away.  Lots more under the hood. 

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RE: Admiral WitP vs boardgames - 1/2/2013 6:59:51 PM   
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HA! You've hit upon a great passion I have for naval boardgames So I'm going to shamelessly plug a great boardgame series from http://www.avalanchepress.com/ called Second World War at Sea http://www.avalanchepress.com/line_WWIISea.php

These are top line games that weave into them a good naval and air feel to them. You have to have orders for your fleets so it kinda of a double blind system that adds some suspense to the game.

Of course the kitty's will still cause havoc on them but they sure are fun to play to this day

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RE: Admiral WitP vs boardgames - 1/2/2013 7:57:20 PM   
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I love the old board games but they are unplayable once you have a job, wife and kids. Had great times with Star Fleet Battles, Empires in Arms, Flat Top, WWII ETO/PTO, etc. I remember we opened up the truly massive and complex AH game Vietnam just after getting a real job and quickly realized there was no way any of us could finish it. Haven't played a board game since, but such fond memories!

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RE: Admiral WitP vs boardgames - 1/2/2013 9:04:34 PM   
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There are something is missing from the boardgame and somethings are missing from the WitP:AE, only things i wasnt happy with it that doesnt show truely tactical battles, esp for naval engagements. The boardgame (WitP 2nd by DG) is pricey and got mine from ebay for 250USD, retail is 420. Noticed it had alot of useless counters and lovely Pacific Map. Also need more rooms for display sheets, etcs. So i simply write them down on text books instead.

I manage to get my map on the wall in the Family or Den room with wooden panel along with metal sheets for magnet counters, it would be alot, alot better than having it on the table or floor. Noticed i have two sugargliders in that room playing time to time and wont bother the map at all. Also put clear packing tape over the map to protect it and looks even better with it.



Also been working on new set of rules, some says they loved it. So i dont want to show it yet til i get it copyrighted and still trying to get in touch with DG's Publisher if they are interesting in my project or another company. The rulesets is mixed with Strategy, Tactical and Roleplaying and it is interesting game i have here. Hopefully i have it up and ready within six to twelve months, depending on publisher situations.

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RE: Admiral WitP vs boardgames - 1/2/2013 10:44:05 PM   
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You guys are aware that you can play board games in PBEM, on-line in real time and offline (keeping the map with setup counters away from the dogs/cats/kids etc) using Vassal and Cyberboard?

http://cyberboard.brainiac.com/index.html - Cyberboard
http://www.limeyyankgames.co.uk - Cyberboard modules
http://www.vassalengine.org/ - Vassal and modules

Note that a wide range of game modules are available but at least one player needs to own a physical copy the game.






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RE: Admiral WitP vs boardgames - 1/3/2013 2:39:26 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ilovestrategy



I know you are asking about Pacific War games but I do miss playing table top Starfleet Battles.


+1

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RE: Admiral WitP vs boardgames - 1/3/2013 4:15:06 AM   
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My all time favorite is Victory Games' "Pacific War" by Mark Herman, currently being reworked up for a new release by Mark. I own 3 copies, the one I ruined in 1990, the one I bought to play again, and a mint for my collection.

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RE: Admiral WitP vs boardgames - 1/3/2013 4:38:40 AM   
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quote:

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I know you are asking about Pacific War games but I do miss playing table top Starfleet Battles.


+1


With Minitures! Did one about a month ago...


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RE: Admiral WitP vs boardgames - 1/3/2013 4:40:16 AM   
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Also, I love monster games! Some think a game with 2000 counters is a lot. Not me. I own one that I have over 50,000 counters for. Ask rjopel, he has almost as much in his copy!

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RE: Admiral WitP vs boardgames - 1/3/2013 4:45:03 AM   
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Also, I love monster games! Some think a game with 2000 counters is a lot. Not me. I own one that I have over 50,000 counters for. Ask rjopel, he has almost as much in his copy!



50,000 might be an understatement. Between the two of us the count is north of 100K.

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RE: Admiral WitP vs boardgames - 1/3/2013 4:46:23 AM   
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I know you are asking about Pacific War games but I do miss playing table top Starfleet Battles.


Heya, did you ever play Starfleet Command? It's about 10 years old, was basically SFB on computer.

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RE: Admiral WitP vs boardgames - 1/3/2013 5:46:22 AM   
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My local group is starting WiF next saturday, dec12th.

Room for one more player, just book your plane ticket for every other weekend...

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RE: Admiral WitP vs boardgames - 1/3/2013 12:45:10 PM   
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My all time favorite is Victory Games' "Pacific War" by Mark Herman, currently being reworked up for a new release by Mark. I own 3 copies, the one I ruined in 1990, the one I bought to play again, and a mint for my collection.


This was my favorite as well. However board games were totally frustrating to me as I never was able to link up with folks to PLAY them! I had ONE game of Pacific War in all the years I've had it. Now I have a game going electronically of WitPAE all the time! So to me, there is no looking back, as the frustration is gone, and I'm glad to see it go! Hal

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RE: Admiral WitP vs boardgames - 1/3/2013 3:12:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: fulcrum28

I am really enjoying the game but sometimes I feel I miss to have a clear view of the operations. I do not like the fact that you cant decide to launch the air attacks for example, but it is minor issue.

What I liked for old style boardgames was that you have on the table a clear view of your map and units from the beginning. The drawback is obviously the playability in solitaire games. With computer you can play all scenarios.

Does someone else miss or have any favorite pacific based board war game that matches WitP ?




I play one of the A&A board games once a week with one of my two brothers. Between the three of us, we have all of the current A&A games, minus miniatures.

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RE: Admiral WitP vs boardgames - 1/3/2013 7:38:50 PM   
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There are something is missing from the boardgame and somethings are missing from the WitP:AE, only things i wasnt happy with it that doesnt show truely tactical battles, esp for naval engagements. The boardgame (WitP 2nd by DG) is pricey and got mine from ebay for 250USD, retail is 420. Noticed it had alot of useless counters and lovely Pacific Map. Also need more rooms for display sheets, etcs. So i simply write them down on text books instead.

I manage to get my map on the wall in the Family or Den room with wooden panel along with metal sheets for magnet counters, it would be alot, alot better than having it on the table or floor. Noticed i have two sugargliders in that room playing time to time and wont bother the map at all. Also put clear packing tape over the map to protect it and looks even better with it.



Also been working on new set of rules, some says they loved it. So i dont want to show it yet til i get it copyrighted and still trying to get in touch with DG's Publisher if they are interesting in my project or another company. The rulesets is mixed with Strategy, Tactical and Roleplaying and it is interesting game i have here. Hopefully i have it up and ready within six to twelve months, depending on publisher situations.



I have FOUR copies of this map. When we move into our new house, one will go up on the wall.


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RE: Admiral WitP vs boardgames - 1/3/2013 8:03:25 PM   
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I was wondering if the DG or any other companies are selling replacable map like this one on the wall. With my project, if others are interesting and might need to buy the map seperate.

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RE: Admiral WitP vs boardgames - 1/3/2013 10:31:01 PM   
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Don't miss my board games, they are gathering dust in the garage. I see them on the rack occasionally, and think only of little crawling babies, along with cats and dogs.

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RE: Admiral WitP vs boardgames - 1/4/2013 9:08:23 PM   
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I don't miss the wargames as much as I miss being with my best friend while playing them (in case that's misleading, he's alive -- we just live in different states now). Since my tastes have evolved to the larger games, which tend to take a full day just to set up, the computer has been a godsend!

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RE: Admiral WitP vs boardgames - 1/4/2013 9:55:00 PM   
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I have a stack of nearly mint condition war games in my closet - mostly Avalon Hill, but a scattering of others.  I played a few against my dad when I was a teenager (mainly AH's "Midway"), but most of the games were too time consuming or complex to play.  I just never came across another soul who enjoyed these games.  There were only two that I would occassionally play solo - "Terrible Swift Sword" (a regiment-level Gettysburg game) and "Civil War."

After my parents divorced when I was a senior in high school, my mother moved the "survivors" into an apartment complex (that's a sad way for a family to come to and end, come to think of it!).  One night, while walking along a sidewalk, I glanced inside a neighbor's sliding glass door and noticed a monster boardgame sprawled out on the dining room table!  It was some kind of NATO/Warsaw Pact game.  I figured I'd finally found somebody who might have similar tastes.  Then I decided not to even approach the occupant of that room.  It kind of gave me the willies to think about some "old guys" (probably in his 30s) who had nothing better to do in life than to sit in a smoke-filled room and play games.


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RE: Admiral WitP vs boardgames - 1/5/2013 5:49:16 AM   
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thank you all, very nice comments.
impressive map Rising Sun

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RE: Admiral WitP vs boardgames - 1/5/2013 5:55:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: AcePylut


quote:

ORIGINAL: ilovestrategy

I know you are asking about Pacific War games but I do miss playing table top Starfleet Battles.


Heya, did you ever play Starfleet Command? It's about 10 years old, was basically SFB on computer.


Yes, I had a lot of fun with it.

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RE: Admiral WitP vs boardgames - 1/5/2013 8:34:05 AM   
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thank you all, very nice comments.
impressive map Rising Sun


Thank you, it took me alittle over 200USD to setup the map on the wall. Wooden panel, liquid nails, metal sheets and of course alot of magnets. Also took two people to lift it on the wall while i bolt it down. Be awhile before i can use it, have to work on the rulesets first.

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RE: Admiral WitP vs boardgames - 1/5/2013 9:09:41 AM   
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I loved the old SPI board and magazine games. I would set up a game, leave the room for a few minutes and come back to find our budgie walking over the map, flipping over the stacks of counters. I'm sure my sister use to do that on purpose.

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RE: Admiral WitP vs boardgames - 1/5/2013 10:28:38 PM   
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Ah...Board games, cats and kids.

After losing many efforts to defend my games with their oh-so-fascinating counters from the depredations of cats and kids, I solved the problem with a purpose built game room in the basement. It had only one door, great lighting, and a built in L-shaped gaming table that was just big enough to lay out the four maps needed for SPI's Highway To The Reich. (I used thin plexiglass to hold the maps flat.) Heaven! I played with delight and kept a fine journal of the events of the game. I was one month of real time into the game and agonizing over the situation with the British Red Devils when my cat suddenly fell through the ceiling and landed right on the mass of units in Arnhem. The ceiling tile followed with predictable results. The terrified cat added to the joy as she scrambled madly to get off the table and into a corner. The last entry in the journal was unprintable.

Today's computers still suffer from our cat's interest in keyboards, but even she hasn't figured out how to delete saved turns. Hard drives and electrons are a great substitute for paper maps and counters.

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RE: Admiral WitP vs boardgames - 1/6/2013 8:47:15 AM   
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yeah cats or even dogs can make a mess, best thing to do is have a room with a door to keep pests and women out lol. Even if you have stock up on drinks, snacks, etcs then lock your door! Might need a bottle to pee in, unless you bring a key to lock the door behind you while using the restroom.

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