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RE: The Hobbit (OT) - 1/8/2013 8:03:56 PM   
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RE: The Hobbit (OT) - 1/9/2013 5:02:21 AM   
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To everyone except Hal, Get some time up newbies...

I first read The Hobbit in third grade back in 1971 and was forever captivated by the magic. I have been reading and low profile collecting ever since. I've seen Bakshi (a valiant attempt but just far too ambitious for the technology at the time..), read Bored with the Rings, Silmarillion, Lost Tales etc so with my bookshelf I think I would classify as a fan or at least knowledgeable on the subject. You just gotta admire John Howe's and Alan Lee's works on the topic.

I do like the LOTR movies but though I think they do the novels justice, I cannot say they are a substitute for the books. There is just so much in the written word that just cannot be conveyed in the visual format. Fran and Philippa wrote an excellent screenplay version of the story though it does deviate from the original work in so many key ways (Legolas and the Mûmakil, the role of the Corsairs of Umbra, and whats with the skulls in the extended version, etc etc)

I haven't had a chance to see The Hobbit movie yet (curses to the Boxing day release in Australia ) but I will keep an open mind. My major concern is the amount of material required to fill so many movies so I hope Jackson just fills in the gaps and doesn't get too carried away in his horror film roots (avalanche of skulls anyone??).

Looking forward to it.



I was in Form 1 in 1971 so go a bit further down the queue!

Apart from that I've probably done the same and have the same books in the bookshelf.

Echoing others, I love the books and like the LOTR movies, of course it could have been better and I cant wait for some one else to try.

Saw The Hobbit one night when it was still 30degC when I left the Cinema at midnight.
3D is a waste of time, might be my aging computer ravaged eyes but the only good bit was ducking when they were throwing the pinecones at the wolves.
The movie didnt quite grab me, there were some great bits, but they went on too long, again I could be getting old and easily bored. The leader of the Dwares (Thorin??) needs to be heavily edited, doesnt do much for the movie (but is part of the book)

Have we had the part where they cut Tom Bombadil or is that missing from the next bit??

IMVHO, instead of 3 parts it should have been 2 parts.

Of course things could really amaze at the next 2 parts and we will be clamouring for a fourth!

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RE: The Hobbit (OT) - 1/9/2013 5:04:31 AM   
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The Hobbit is good, but IMHO Les Miserables is spectacular.  Any of the rest of you seen that yet?  What are your thoughts?

You haven't mentioned Lincoln, yet you've seen The Hobbit twice? Is this because of the subject matter? I think it was Shelby Foote that wryly stated that "We never did much care for Lincoln in my home, growing up."


Saw the trailer, kept waiting for him to turn into a Vampire killer!!

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RE: The Hobbit (OT) - 1/10/2013 3:38:57 AM   
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I'm one of those dastardly southerners who loves Lincoln.  Actually, I think many southerners do, so I'm no rarity.

I have not seen Lincoln.  I am very reluctant to go to any historical movies because it drives me nuts when a "historic" movie takes liberties.  (The same thing applies to books - I was not very impressed with O'Reilley's Killing Lincoln.)  I've heard the Lincoln movie was pretty good, but I haven't heard that from folks who know history.  So, what did you think?

P.S.  In 2003, my young family went on our first vacation "up north."  We homeschooled our children and, as part of this trip, we assembled at the cemetery in Gettysburg to read the "Gettysburg Address."  For obvious reasons, this seemed like it would be a momentous - almost sacred - thing to do.  But I'll never forget that morning because the entire family, for some reason, was just flat out of sorts.  A bigger bunch of "ill pills" I had never seen.


I've seen Lincoln. I highly recommend it. The movie does take historical liberties -- but few out-and-out "untruths." There are many gross simplifications of complex issues and motivations, and caricatures of individuals, but for me, at least, these were mostly forgivable simplifications to keep the movie moving at a brisk pace. Just one example: in order to highlight the political tension between pro-emancipation Lincoln and the conservative Republican faction, the movie skips over the warm personal friendship that actually existed between the Blair family (portrayed, accurately but simplisticly as the faction leaders) and Lincoln. The discussion during Lincoln's meeting with the Confederate Commissioners in the movie was, IMHO, the most egregious departure from actual events.

Enjoy it for the acting, if not the historicacy (a new word!). Daniel Day Lewis is superb as Lincoln, and Tommie Lee Jones pretty much takes over the movie as Thaddeus Stevens. And there are plenty of nice historical flourishes thrown in -- such as Secretary of War Stanton running out of the room in frustration as Lincoln starts in to tell yet another story.

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RE: The Hobbit (OT) - 1/11/2013 1:12:49 AM   
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The Hobbit is good, but IMHO Les Miserables is spectacular.  Any of the rest of you seen that yet?  What are your thoughts?

You haven't mentioned Lincoln, yet you've seen The Hobbit twice? Is this because of the subject matter? I think it was Shelby Foote that wryly stated that "We never did much care for Lincoln in my home, growing up."


Saw the trailer, kept waiting for him to turn into a Vampire killer!!





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RE: The Hobbit (OT) - 1/17/2013 10:17:13 PM   
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Thought of you when I saw this review of Crowe in Les Miserables.

http://www.theonion.com/video/russell-crowe-praised-for-stunning-portrayal-of-ma,30839/

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RE: The Hobbit (OT) - 1/17/2013 10:23:38 PM   
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I loved Les Miserables, which is unusual because I'm not a big fan of musicals.  Well, that's not entirely true.  There are a few I enjoy, particularly Sound of Music and Singing in the Rain.  IMHO, Les Mis is in their class. 

I've seen the movie twice, once accompanied by a professional singer who was equally impressed.  On the other occasion, I attended with my wife and daughter, who also loved it.  In particular, my 20-year-old daughter thought Russell Crowe's performance was stellar.  I know the women in my family have good taste and judgment even if I don't.

Anybody else see Les Mis?  What did you think of it? 

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RE: The Hobbit (OT) - 1/18/2013 2:02:22 PM   
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RE: The Hobbit (OT) - 1/18/2013 5:54:05 PM   
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RE: The Hobbit (OT) - 1/18/2013 6:06:01 PM   
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Anybody else see Les Mis?  What did you think of it? 


Saw the play. Twice. Loved it. Cried both times too.

Won't see the movie (even as a rental), as I would like to remember Inspector Javear's wonderful, deep resonant baritone in my mind. He was my favorite character and voice. Hearing Russell Crowe's screeching would ruin this pleasant memory for me and is just unnecessary.

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RE: The Hobbit (OT) - 1/18/2013 6:06:47 PM   
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I just saw this last night in IMAX 3-D. VERY well done, they expanded considerably on the book, going into areas that the book lightly mentioned.

Enjoyed the 2-D version very much. Did you (or your companions) have any complaints regarding motion sickness on the 3-D version?

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RE: The Hobbit (OT) - 1/18/2013 7:21:36 PM   
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I suppose I should surrender my ill-advised effort in asking for impressions about Les Miserables in a thead devoted to The Hobbit. 


That would be logical. To persist in such behavior might be considered "Thread-jacking".

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RE: The Hobbit (OT) - 1/18/2013 7:24:23 PM   
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I just saw this last night in IMAX 3-D. VERY well done, they expanded considerably on the book, going into areas that the book lightly mentioned.

Enjoyed the 2-D version very much. Did you (or your companions) have any complaints regarding motion sickness on the 3-D version?


Nope , but with the exception of a former USAF guy and a female Army major, everybody was current or former USN. It would have been disgraceful to admit it, even if they were.

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