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BabesLite '42 Scenario - 11/30/2012 8:38:33 PM   
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Everything is done for Japan and for US Army, Navy, and Marines. Mike Osterhaut is after me to do the Dutch anyway, even though they go away for the '42 scenario. That makes the Dutch and Br/Aus/NZ the last things left to do. Did the changes so everything is BigBabes but everything stays in its slot so it can be played with the stock AI!! How bout them apples!! Sent my latest files up to the bosses and they came back with flying colors. Things just keep falling into place, thanks to Mike, Matt and John.

Just need to do the Dutch and Br/Aus/NZ TO&Es and OOBs, and then do a fast-forward to April/May 1942. Feeling good and feeling confident. The more I work with the system the faster I get with it. Should have a BabesLite update done in a week. The '42 scenario should be finished by Christmas or new Years.



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RE: BabesLite '42 Scenario - 12/2/2012 12:42:13 AM   
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Great work Natali, looking very much forward to the Scenario

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RE: BabesLite '42 Scenario - 12/2/2012 3:18:29 PM   
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This is an enormous project, thanks so much for everything.

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RE: BabesLite '42 Scenario - 12/4/2012 7:46:03 PM   
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This is an enormous project, thanks so much for everything.

Yes. It is enormous. We told him and told him, and he didn't believe. But he's into it now and is doing it righteous. He's even taking me to school on some things. God loves the youngsters. Their wives might not, so much, but any gal with her own Browning, who goes duck hunting, can't be all that bad.

Keep bringing it, Sam. Ciao. John

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RE: BabesLite '42 Scenario - 12/6/2012 7:21:38 PM   
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quote:

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ORIGINAL: oldman45
This is an enormous project, thanks so much for everything.

Yes. It is enormous. We told him and told him, and he didn't believe. But he's into it now and is doing it righteous. He's even taking me to school on some things. God loves the youngsters. Their wives might not, so much, but any gal with her own Browning, who goes duck hunting, can't be all that bad.

Keep bringing it, Sam. Ciao. John

Ok bringing it. Thank you all.

Regards. Sam.

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RE: Andy Question - 12/8/2012 8:37:25 PM   
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Looking through the AI and only see a few BFs in the scripts. Does the AI hunt for BF tagged units and move them to Air bases? Does it marrter if the units are not tagged as BF? How does the AI work with this? If you can't say, please pm JWE (Symon). he won't violate anything but he'll give some honest hints.

Regards. Sam.

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RE: Andy Question - 12/9/2012 6:59:33 PM   
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quote:

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Looking through the AI and only see a few BFs in the scripts. Does the AI hunt for BF tagged units and move them to Air bases? Does it marrter if the units are not tagged as BF? How does the AI work with this? If you can't say, please pm JWE (Symon). he won't violate anything but he'll give some honest hints.

Regards. Sam.

Thanks for the pms. Understand now how the BF things work inside the AI.

@Erion, understand the land bridge concept, but there's no way to identify units in the AI script. We need JWE's AI editor for that.

Will redo things by your suggestions. Posted this, but will copy you.

Regards. Sam.

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RE: Andy Question - 12/9/2012 8:22:42 PM   
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Ai takes a slot number irrespective of the typ of unit so you need to make sure for the ai that you have balanced base forces with a little bit of everything or the ai will lack something

Or adjust the ai to add more units if going down the full babes approach

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RE: Andy Question - 12/10/2012 7:15:47 PM   
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Ai takes a slot number irrespective of the typ of unit so you need to make sure for the ai that you have balanced base forces with a little bit of everything or the ai will lack something

Or adjust the ai to add more units if going down the full babes approach

I don't want to adjust the AI. I don't know how. I am not moving any kind of unit from the stock slots so the AI script will find something in the slot where it looks. But....

There's a lot of BF units that I turned into Eng units with the a lot of the same device things and where the AI can find them where they live regular. But....

DOES THE AI LOOK FOR UNITS TAGGED AS TYPE 10 (ENG) AND WITH SUFFIX 109 (BF) AND USE THEM ????? Or is it just what units is in the scripts? Inquiring minds wanna know.

Regards. Sami.

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RE: Andy Question - 12/10/2012 9:42:54 PM   
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AI doesnt think it does what you tell it so it takes exactly whats in the slot and uses it which is why the AI needs balanced base force type units with a bit of everything

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RE: Andy Question - 12/21/2012 5:48:25 PM   
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Of possible interest:

http://www.airforcehistoryindex.org/data/000/468/021.xml

Note - not free.

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RE: BabesLite '42 Scenario - 1/10/2013 4:44:02 PM   
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"Unaccustomed as I am to public speaking ..."
"Far be it for me to question ..."

How's the BabesLite and BigBabes thingy coming?

untalented but interested
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RE: BabesLite '42 Scenario - 1/10/2013 7:50:51 PM   
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quote:

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"Unaccustomed as I am to public speaking ..."
"Far be it for me to question ..."

How's the BabesLite and BigBabes thingy coming?

untalented but interested
Ol Dog

It is going slow. Only because I keep wanting to change the OOB and get slapped down every time because of how it will hurt the AI . I learned the lesson and have a big red mark on my butt to prove it , so it will go quicker now, I hope

Sami

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RE: Andy Question - 1/11/2013 11:42:25 AM   
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Of possible interest:

http://www.airforcehistoryindex.org/data/000/468/021.xml

Note - not free.



I have a feeling a field trip is in my future. Reading their mission page and the data they have available I want to spend a couple of weeks there. Thanks Don.

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RE: Andy Question - 1/11/2013 4:23:00 PM   
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quote:

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Of possible interest:

http://www.airforcehistoryindex.org/data/000/468/021.xml

Note - not free.



I have a feeling a field trip is in my future. Reading their mission page and the data they have available I want to spend a couple of weeks there. Thanks Don.


Will you be sharing any goodies you may find with your pals on the forum?

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RE: Andy Question - 1/12/2013 9:20:57 PM   
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If course, just have to convince the fantasy goddess that I need to go away for a week to look at books and micro film. If it pans out I will more than likely go in the fall.

I will alert you all when I leave so you can put in special requests for me to look for.

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RE: Andy Question - 1/13/2013 8:48:28 PM   
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This is for JeffK because I know he will get all over it. Puzzling about the Australians I made an executive decision. I know I might get apanked for it but I can’t help it. Too many brigades got swapped around and some went overseas, and some didn’t, and it’s too easy now. Making the Australians a brigade oob helps a lot because some can be restricted and some can be deployable. It helps too with the cavalry.

I fudged a little and swapped the 15th motor for the 7th LH and made the 4th Cav brigade the 4th Motor brigade. They all get disbanded kinda so I thought that abstraction and simplification wouldn’t hurt none. That lets me put 7, 12, and 24 LH in play. Good because 7 and 24 were db, while 12 became a later war A/C Rgt. This lets the LH have a two branch tree of toes, with most going to Recce units and a couple going to AC units.

Found some disconnects in Niehorster. With all due respect, I used my own thoughts. There never was a 1st motor MG Bn and a 1st AC Bn from what I get from email contacts from Australia. 1st LH converted to 1st LHMG and then to 1st Motor and then to 1st AC in the period 1937 to 1941 and then to 1st Tank Bn. 2nd LH is crazy because there was so many 2nds and even the Aussie Armored Corps can’t keep them all strait.

So I’m going to do the best I can do and keep the brigades in the same slots where they were and use some opne slots for my nut-job mods. Oh please, oh, please, let this work.

Comments enthusiastically welcome. Butt smackings, not so much so.

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RE: Andy Question - 2/26/2013 8:49:31 PM   
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OMG...this is the one I've been dying to see. Was always curious as to why the April/May 42 start scenario was never an assured stock scenario from the get go. From a human Allies vs Japanese AI scenario, I've also always thought a post Midway scenario would be best as the AI could/would be purely defensive in nature (simpler to programme the AI?), perhaps a Watchtower Aug 42 start and a post Watchtower Feb 43 start.

Anyway, I'm babbling...lol. Thanks for all the amazing effort guys!!!

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RE: Andy Question - 2/26/2013 11:25:46 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Natali

This is for JeffK because I know he will get all over it. Puzzling about the Australians I made an executive decision. I know I might get apanked for it but I can’t help it. Too many brigades got swapped around and some went overseas, and some didn’t, and it’s too easy now. Making the Australians a brigade oob helps a lot because some can be restricted and some can be deployable. It helps too with the cavalry.

I fudged a little and swapped the 15th motor for the 7th LH and made the 4th Cav brigade the 4th Motor brigade. They all get disbanded kinda so I thought that abstraction and simplification wouldn’t hurt none. That lets me put 7, 12, and 24 LH in play. Good because 7 and 24 were db, while 12 became a later war A/C Rgt. This lets the LH have a two branch tree of toes, with most going to Recce units and a couple going to AC units.

Found some disconnects in Niehorster. With all due respect, I used my own thoughts. There never was a 1st motor MG Bn and a 1st AC Bn from what I get from email contacts from Australia. 1st LH converted to 1st LHMG and then to 1st Motor and then to 1st AC in the period 1937 to 1941 and then to 1st Tank Bn. 2nd LH is crazy because there was so many 2nds and even the Aussie Armored Corps can’t keep them all strait.

So I’m going to do the best I can do and keep the brigades in the same slots where they were and use some opne slots for my nut-job mods. Oh please, oh, please, let this work.

Comments enthusiastically welcome. Butt smackings, not so much so.

Sami


You'll have fun trying to make any sense,

Hah, have fun.
Scratchings from my opus on the Australian Army.
Put together from various places.

1st Light Horse Machine Gun Regiment
(New South Wales Lancers)

7/12/41 1st Cavalry Division Troops
The 1st Light Horse (New South Wales Lancers) was a Light Horse militia unit in New South Wales. In 1929, it merged with the 21st Light Horse (Riverina Horse) for form the 1st/21st Light Horse (New South Wales Lancers) but was unlinked in 1937 to become the 1st Light Horse (New South Wales Lancers) again. On 19th July, 1942, it became the 1st Australian Army Tank Battalion and was equipped with Matilda Tanks and fought the Japanese in the Pacific campaign. It was disbanded in 1946.
1st Light Horse Regiment Lineage
1st Australian Light Horse Regiment (NSW Lancers) - 1903
7th Light Horse (NSW Lancers) - 1912
1st Light Horse (NSW Lancers) - 1918
1st Light Horse and part of 6th Light Horse form 1st Light Horse Regiment (NSW Lancers) - 1921
1st Light Horse (NSW Lancers) and 21st Australian Light Horse Regiment (Illawarra Light Horse) form 1st/21st Light Horse Regiment - 1929
1st/21st Light Horse Regiment unlinked - 1937
1st Light Horse (M.G.) Regiment (Royal NSW Lancers) - 1937
1st M.G. Regiment (Royal NSW Lancers) - 1st December, 1941
1st Motor Regiment (Royal NSW Lancers) - 13th March, 1942
1st Army Tank Battalion, Australian Armoured Corps - 8th May, 1942
1st Army Tank Battalion, (A.I.F.) - 19th July, 1942
1st Australian Armoured Regiment (A.I.F.) - 1st June, 1944
Disbanded - 13th February, 1943

2nd Light Horse Regiment
(Moreton Light Horse)

Formed 2nd Recce Battalion
The 2nd Light Horse Regiment (Moreton Light Horse) (QMI) was a Light Horse militia unit in Queensland. On 1st October, 1918 as part of a army renumbering scheme, it became the 2nd Light Horse Regiment (Moreton Light Horse) (QMI). This scheme was adopted so that Citizen Military Force (CMF) units would take on the numerical designations of their A.I.F. counterparts which had been raised in the same areas. The 2nd Light Horse Regiment (Moreton Light Horse) (QMI) adopted the battle honours of the 2nd Light Horse Regiment A.I.F.
After several redesignations, it was disbanded on 29th July, 1943.
2nd Light Horse Regiment Lineage
2nd Light Horse (Moreton Light Horse) (QMI) - 1921
Linked with 14th Light Horse (West Moreton Light Horse) (QMI) to form 2nd/14th Light Horse - 1930
Unlinked to become 2nd Light Horse (Moreton Light Horse) (QMI) - 30th August, 1940
2nd Reconnaissance Battalion, Moreton Light Horse (QMI) - 1st December, 1941
2nd Australian Divisional Cavalry Regiment, Moreton Light Horse (QMI) - 23rd September, 1942
2nd Australian Cavalry Regiment A.I.F. - 1st November, 1942
Disbanded - 29th July, 1943


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RE: Andy Question - 2/26/2013 11:34:12 PM   
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If anyone is interested, I have a file on just about every Combat Battalion of the Australian Army raised in Australia. It doesnt cover the AIF units which went to Malaya or the Middle East.

The intention was to cover those units which remained in Australia, there history isnt covered well and I thought of it while tracing an Uncle's service.

Currently standing at 130 pages I think its only half finished, but it was half finished when I passed 50 pages so I dont think I'll ever get to the end.

If anyone want a peek, drop a PM and I'll zip it and send on.

1st/45th Australian Infantry Battalion
The East Sydney Regiment

At the outbreak of war the 1st Battalion formed at Narellan but was quickly moved to the Royal Agricultural Society Showgrounds at Moore Park. Time was divided between weapons training and building coastal defences, plus rewiring after storms. On 20/3/42 the Battalion left Moore Park and returned to Narellan. Life for 1st Battalion was to consist of training and moving camp. Its strength on 8/8/42 was 33 Officers and 714 men.
On 27/8/42 1st Battalion left 31st Brigade and became part of 9th Brigade. During the period up to 20/9/42 the Battalion had worked closely with 18 Battalion VDC and in late Sept dismantled their camp and moved to St Ives and Turramurra and then Narellan by the end of November. In late October the AIF troops in the Battalion were posted elsewhere and from 1/11/42 the unit merged with 45th Battalion to become 1st/45th Battalion.
1943 continued in this vein, training, lectures, route marches, marching out of troops, receiving new detachments and moving. On 17/3/43 the next camp was at Balgownie near Wollongong, on 29/8/43 to nearby Warrawong. A new duty from late 1943 was de-wiring of the beaches they had spent so much time in building and maintaining and in late December 1943 returned to Narellan only to move at the end of January 1944 to Canterbury Racecourse. During February 1944 the Battalion was supplying around 200 NCO & Men daily to the wharves for ship unloading duties. Trying to rate as a mobile unit, the Battalion moved again in late March to a new camp at French's Forest. March saw up to 300 men working on the wharves and 29/4/44 saw the Battalion moved AGAIN to Narellan with the wharf duty taken over by 13th/33rd Battalion. On 9/5/44 1st/45th Battalion was attached to 17th Battalion to ease administration and QM duties. From this point a continual posting of Officers and Men from the Battalion resulted in the final disbandment of 1st/45th Australian Infantry Battalion take place on 28 July 1944 with any remaining Officers and Men going to 20th/34th Battalion.


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RE: Andy Question - 2/28/2013 1:18:43 AM   
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To track the Brigades, this is a work in progress, a few gaps and 1-2 bits of info that doesnt gel but I havent investigated yet
1st Infantry Brigade
Upon the outbreak of World War II in September 1939, the 1st Brigade consisted of the 13th, 33rd and 41st Battalions. Initially, upon the commencement of hostilities it was decided to call up the Militia to undertake periods of continuous training in order to boost the nation's readiness for war, however, following Japan's entry into the war in December 1941, they were mobilised for defensive duties. Although some Militia units were committed to combat operations in New Guinea from 1942 onwards, the 1st Brigade remained in Australia for the duration of the war, headquartered around Parramatta, New South Wales, where it formed part of the 1st Division. By the end of hostilities, it consisted of only one battalion—the 41st/2nd Battalion—as other units had been transferred, amalgamated or disbanded. Between May 1942 and August 1945 it was commanded by Brigadier Frederick Burrows.
2nd Infantry Brigade
Initially, the brigade was composed of four infantry battalions under the overall command of temporary Brigadier George Langley: the 5th Battalion (Victorian Scottish Regiment), the 6th Battalion, the 14th Battalion (Prahan Regiment), the 32nd Battalion (Footscray Regiment) and the Melbourne University Rifles. However, in early 1940, the Australian Army’s brigade establishment was reduced from to three battalions in order to fall in line with standard British doctrine.
Following the entry of Japan into the war in December 1941 the 14th and 32nd Battalions were merged and later transferred to the 6th Brigade. In February 1942 the Melbourne University Rifles were also removed from the brigade’s order of battle.
In May 1942 the 2nd Brigade, as part of the 4th Division moved from Victoria to Western Australia and at this time the brigade gained the 2/11th Battalion, a Western Australian AIF unit that had fought in North Africa, Greece and Crete, before being virtually destroyed and brought back to Australia. In October 1942, along with the rest of the 4th Division and units from the 2nd Division they took part in a corps-level exercise in Geraldton, Western Australia.
In early 1943, the 2nd Brigade was transferred to the 2nd Division, based in the Mount Lawley area, where they carried out garrison duties along with the 5th and 8th Brigades. In July the 2/11th Battalion were transferred to the 19th Brigade in Queensland. Later, in August 1943, however, the brigade was moved to Darwin, when it became part of the LHQ Reserve. In September 1943 the 5th and 6th Battalions were joined by the 19th Machine Gun Battalion, and then in December by the 10th/48th Battalion.
By late 1944, however, the threat of invasion no longer existed and the division along with many of its component units were disbanded in order to ease some of the labour shortages being experienced in the Australian economy. Between August and November 1944 most of its component units were transferred out and disbanded and as its strength diminished, the 2nd Brigade was finally disbanded on 8 January 1945 while at Wallgrove, New South Wales.
3rd Infantry Brigade
In December 1941, the 3rd Brigade was mobilised for wartime service. Following this the brigade, consisting of the 10th, 27th and 48th Battalions, was attached to the Northern Territory Force and sent to Darwin to defend the port against a possible Japanese invasion. In March 1943, as the threat diminished, the brigade re-allocated to the 4th Division and was withdrawn to Adelaide, before being disbanded in Townsville in April 1944, as part of the reduction of Australian forces that had begun in late 1942 in an effort to release manpower back into the Australian economy. Upon disbandment, the brigade consisted of two infantry battalions, the 55th/53rd and the 62nd Battalions.
4th Infantry Brigade
In September 1939 the brigade consisted of three infantry battalions—the 22nd, 29th and 46th Battalions—and it was initially assigned to the 3rd Division. Following Japan's entry into the war in December 1941, the 4th Brigade was mobilised for war service and raised to a higher state of training at Bonegilla, Victoria. In April 1942 the brigade was transferred to the 5th Division and later, in 1943 it was deployed to New Guinea, being dispatched to Milne Bay to relieve the 7th Brigade. Later it was amongst the first of the Militia brigades to see action against the Japanese at Guiska. At that time the brigade consisted of the 22nd, 29th/46th and 37th/52nd Infantry Battalions. Throughout 1943 and 1944 the brigade was transferred between the 5th and 9th Division a number of times, taking part in the New Guinea campaign.
In September 1944 the Brigade returned to Australia for reorganisation and training before being taking part in the New Britain campaign. Due to a shortage of shipping, the brigade's deployment was delayed and they did not land until January 1945. Following this, the brigade helped to undertake a containment campaign against the Japanese forces on the island until the end of the war in August 1945.
5th Infantry Brigade
During the Second World War the brigade was reduced to three infantry battalions—the 44th, 54th and 56th Battalions—and was undertook defensive duties in Australia until it was disbanded in June 1944 as part of the reallocation of manpower resources undertaken by the Army at the time.
6th Infantry Brigade
At the start of the Second World War, the 6th Brigade undertook garrison duties in Western Australia, however, in July 1943, consisting of the 14th/32nd, 19th and 36th Battalions, it was sent to New Guinea. Based in Buna, in Papua, they carried out garrison duties as well as patrols around the areas surrounding Milne and Nassau Bay. In May 1944, they moved to Lae. In June they were sent to Buolo for a rest, before returning to Lae in September where they were transferred from the 4th Division to the 5th Division and the decision was made to send them to New Britain.
In November advanced elements of the brigade from the 19th Battalion landed at Jacquinot Bay, and after the other two battalions arrived they began a campaign of harassment against the much larger Japanese forces on the island, with the objective of restricting Japanese to freedom of action in the area. The brigade advanced along the coast, using barges, crossing the Mevelo River in February before carrying out a number of patrols towards the Wulwut River to the east. In mid-March, they came up against the main Japanese defensive line in the Waitavalo–Tol Plantation around Bacon Hill and over the course of two days, the 19th Battalion and 14th/32nd fought to capture it.
Following this, the 6th Brigade established a defensive line that extended across the Gazelle Peninsula, and from there they continued to mount patrols into Japanese held-territory until April 1945 when they were withdrawn back to Australia. Although it was originally planned that the brigade would re-organise to make up its losses and begin training for participation in further operations, as the war in the Pacific wound down, the decision was made disbanded the 6th Brigade and a number of its component units in July 1945 as part of the demobilisation process.
7th Infantry Brigade
During World War II, the 7th Brigade was a Militia unit made up of five infantry battalions—the 9th, 15th, 25th, 47th and 61st Battalions. At the beginning of the war the brigade was primarily responsible for the defence of South East Queensland, with battalions located at Chermside, Cabarlah and Maryborough. On 13 December 1941, the brigade received order to partially mobilise; the following day the order for full mobilisation was issued. The brigade then only had 1,393 men in all ranks. Because of the issue of the mobilisation order, by 27 December, this had increased to 4,449 men of all ranks.
In May 1942, the 7th Brigade, consisting only of the 9th, 25th and 61st Battalions, relocated to Townsville to act as the city's covering force along with the 11th Brigade and the 29th Brigade. On 9 July 1942, the first elements of the brigade departed Townsville for Milne Bay, arriving there on 11 July. In July, the Brigade took part in the Battle of Milne Bay along with the 7th Division. In November 1943 the brigade returned to Australia where it undertook a period of reorganisation and training on the Atherton Tablelands. In early 1944, however, the brigade was deployed overseas again, firstly to Madang, before being transferred to Bougainville Island later in the year where they took part in the a number of significant battles until the end of the war including the battles of Pearl Ridge and Slater's Knoll.
Following the end of hostilities the brigade was disbanded on 8 December 1945.
8th Infantry Brigade
9th Infantry Brigade

Upon the outbreak of the Second World War, the brigade was attached to the 2nd Infantry Division and was based in New South Wales. Initially it consisted of four infantry battalions—the 1st, 4th, 17th and 45th Battalions—although as the war progressed its establishment was reduced as units were transferred to other formations. As a whole, the brigade did not see active service during the war and was disbanded in July 1944.

10th Infantry Brigade
Upon the outbreak of the Second World War, the brigade was based in Victoria in September 1939, and assigned to the 3rd Division. On 8 December 1941 the brigade was mobilised for full-time duty as the Militia was called up for garrison and defensive duties following Japan's entry in to the war. As part of the mobilisation process, the brigade was reorganised into a brigade-group formation with organic artillery, anti-tank and engineer support. Its establishment was also reduced from four infantry battalions to three as the Australian Army moved towards the British Army brigade structure. In September 1942, however, after moving to Queensland, it was disbanded—having not seen active service—as part of the reallocation of manpower resources that occurred within the Australian Army at that time. During the war, the 10th Brigade's subordinate units included: the 37th, 52nd, 24th/39th and 24th Battalions, as well as the 2nd Field Regiment, Royal Australian Artillery, the 10th Field Company, Royal Australian Engineers and the 23rd Anti-Tank Battery, Royal Australian Artillery.
11th Infantry Brigade
Based around Townsville and Cairns before moving to Merauke in June 1943
12th Infantry Brigade
Upon the outbreak of World War II in September 1939, the brigade was stationed in Tasmania, where it served in a garrison role. The brigade was assigned to the 4th Division between April and June 1943, and then assigned to the 12th Division until October 1944. During this time the brigade's establishment was reduced from four battalions to three, however, the brigade's establishment changed a number of times.
The following units were attached to the brigade at various times during the war: 22nd Light Horse, 40th Battalion, 12th/50th Battalion, 22nd Motor Regiment, 36th Battalion, 55th/53rd Battalion, 38th Battalion, 10th/48th Battalion, 12th/40th Battalion.
13th Infantry Brigade
Based in Western Australia pre war
14th Infantry BrigadeUpon the outbreak of World War II the brigade consisted of the 3rd, 34th and 55th/53rd Battalions and was assigned to the 2nd Division. Only one of the these units saw active service while under its command. This was the 55th Battalion,which was briefly delinked from the 53rd in October 1941 (with the 53rd being assigned to the 30th Brigade) and subsequently served in New Guinea from May to October 1942, undertaking garrison duties around Port Moresby and Milne Bay before carrying out patrols along the Goldie River Valley throughout September. In October 1942 they were amalgamated once again with the 53rd and together they were assigned to first the 30th Brigade for the remainder of their early service in New Guinea. In early 1943 this battalion was returned to Australia and from January to April 1943 they were reassigned to the 14th Brigade, however, in April 1943 they were assigned to the 11th Brigade with whom they remained for the rest of the war.
Other units that were assigned to the brigade around this time were the 36th Battalion (8 April 1941 – 14 December 1942 and then again 3 January 1943 – 24 April 1943), which replaced the 34th; the 49th Battalion (11–21 August 1942), the 39th Battalion (18–27 September 1942). Its divisional assignments were changed a number of times after the outbreak of the war as it was moved from the 2nd Division to New Guinea Force in May 1942, the 7th Division in September 1942, the 11th Division in February 1943 and then finally to the 4th Division in March 1943.
The 14th Brigade was eventually disbanded on 24 April 1943, as manpower shortages required the Australian Army to merge or disband a number of Militia formations to reallocate resources elsewhere. Upon disbandment, the brigade consisted of two battalions, the 55th/53rd and the 36th.
15th Infantry Brigade
Throughout 1941 the 15th Brigade was stationed around Seymour, Victoria, before undertaking training further training near Casino, New South Wales, in 1942. At this time they were joined by the 24th Battalion after it was transferred to the brigade from the 10th Brigade, which had been disbanded during the partial demobilisation of Australian forces that was undertaken to rectify a manpower shortage that had developed within the Australian economy. As a result of the addition of the 24th Battalion the 58th and 59th Battalions were amalgamated to form the 58th/59th Battalion, in order to maintain the triangular structure of the brigade.
Later in 1943 the brigade was deployed to New Guinea where it fought against the Japanese during the Salamaua–Lae campaign, with its most significant actions coming in June and into July when they were involved in the fighting around Bobdubi Ridge. At the end of the campaign they were moved back to Port Moresby, before later, in early 1944, being temporarily attached to the 7th Division for its campaign in the Markham and Ramu valleys, arriving at Dumpu on 7 January. In February, after fighting around the Kankiryo Saddle, the 15th Brigade moved up the Faria Valley to take over from the 18th Brigade. The brigade then proceeded to advance towards Madang, which was reached on 24 April 1944.
In October 1944, after 16 months active service, the brigade returned to Australia for rest and reorganisation on the Atherton Tablelands in Queensland. By that time it had grown to a full brigade-group, consisting of a headquarters, three infantry battalions—the 24th, 57th/60th and 58th/59th Battalions—and supporting elements including a signals section, a flamethrower platoon, three troops of tanks from the 2/4th Armoured Regiment, a section of engineers from the 15th Field Company, a company from the 1st New Guinea Infantry Battalion, the 266th Light Aid Detachment, as well as military police, postal and dental units and a detachment from the Australian New Guinea Administrative Unit. Also in support was artillery from 5 Battery, 2nd Field Regiment and four 155 mm guns of 'U' Heavy Battery.
In April 1945, the 15th Brigade was sent to Bougainville to rejoin the 3rd Division where, under the command of Brigadier Heathcote Hammer, it took part in the advance to the Hongorai River as well as the drive towards the Mivo before being relieved by the 29th Brigade on 1 July. Its losses while on Bougainville were heavier than any other Australian brigade that took part in the campaign, suffering 32 officers and 493 men killed or wounded.
29th Infantry Brigade
Raised on 20 December 1941 during World War II as part of the Militia. Initially tasked with defending Townsville against possible invasion from the Japanese. In March 1942, the brigade's three infantry battalions—the 15th, 42nd and 47th Battalions—began concentrating in Townsville where they formed part of the 5th Division.
In January 1943 the brigade was deployed to New Guinea, with the 42nd Battalion deployed to Milne Bay to relieve the 7th Brigade's, 61st Battalion. Later, in early 1944, the 15th Brigade assisted the 7th Division's operations around Lae, conducting patrols in the area until August 1944 when they were withdrawn to Australia for rest and re-organisation. The brigade was then subsequently assigned to the 3rd Division and took part in the Bougainville campaign.
30th Infantry Brigade
The brigade was formed in December 1941 in response to Japan's entry into the war. From the outset it was formed for the purpose of garrisoning Port Moresby, and indeed one of its battalions, the 49th Battalion, a Militia unit from Queensland, had been deployed to New Guinea as early as March 1941. Following the attacks on Pearl Harbor and Malaya, however, the decision was made to boost the force around Port Moresby up to a brigade-group sized force and as a result the 30th Brigade was formed. The units selected to join the 49th were the 39th Battalion from Victoria and the 53rd Battalion from New South Wales. On 3 January 1942, these units were deployed to New Guinea arriving on the troopship RMS Aquitania.
After the Japanese landings at Buna, the 39th Battalion was sent to Kokoda to provide a blocking force. During the Kokoda Track campaign, the brigade was sent up the Kokoda Track. After heavy fighting the brigade was relieved by the 21st Brigade and 25th Brigade. In October 1942 the 53rd Battalion was amalgamated with the 55th Battalion to form the 55th/53rd Battalion. After this, the brigade undertook garrison duties and further training in Port Moresby before taking part in the liberation of Gona and Sanananda during the Battle of Buna–Gona. It was committed to the fighting in December 1942 when the 39th Battalion was dispatched to Gona, and the 49th and 55th/53rd Battalions reinforced the Australian units that were fighting around Sanananda.
In early 1943 the brigade was brought back to Australia for reorganisation. During this time, the 3rd Battalion was added to its order of battle. Based on the Atherton Tablelands in Queensland, the brigade was brought back up to establishment and was transferred to the 6th Division, with a view to participating in further operations in New Guinea, however it was decided to disband the brigade and it was disbanded on 3 July.
31st Infantry Brigade
The brigade was formed in February 1942, as part of the 1st Division of the militia. The Brigade was disbanded on 27 August 1942. Units of the Brigade were 1st, 45th & 48th Battalions
32nd Infantry Brigade
The brigade was formed in February 1942, as part of the Newcastle Covering Force and then the 10th Division of the militia. The Brigade was disbanded upon the disbandment of the 10th Division on 27 August 1942. Units of the Brigade were 4th, 33rd Infantry & 8th Garrison Battalions.
33rd Infantry Brigade
The brigade was formed in August 1945, to serve in the Dutch East Indies and aid in the policing of the surrender and return of Japanese troops to Japan.
1st Cavalry Brigade
The brigade was formed in September 1939? and did not see any active service The brigade was converted into the 1st Motor Brigade in April 1942.
Units that served with the brigade during the war were 5th Light Horse, 11th Light Horse, 2/14th Light Horse, 2nd Light Horse, 5th Motor Regiment, 11th Motor Regiment & 2nd Reconnaissance Battalion
2nd Cavalry Brigade
The brigade was formed in September 1939?, and assigned to the 1st Australian Cavalry Division. The brigade did not see any active service and was converted into the 2nd Australian Motor Brigade in March 1942. Units that served with the brigade during the war were 12th Light Horse, 15th Light Horse, 16th Light Horse (MG), 24th Light Horse, 1st Light Horse (MG), 1st Machine Gun Regiment

3rd Cavalry Brigade
The brigade was formed in September 1939?, and assigned to the 2nd Australian Cavalry Division. The brigade did not see any active service and was converted into the 3rd Australian Motor Brigade in March 1942. Units that served with the brigade during the war were 4th Light Horse, 8th Light Horse, 13th/19th Light Horse, 17th Light Horse (Machine Gun), 20th Light Horse, 13th Light Horse, 26th Light Horse (Machine Gun), 8th Reconnaissance Regiment, 1st Armoured Regiment.
4th Cavalry Brigade
The brigade was formed in September 1939?, and assigned to the 1st Australian Cavalry Division. The brigade did not see any active service and was converted into the 4th Australian Motor Brigade in March 1942. Units that served with the brigade during the war were 3rd Armoured Regiment, 1st Light Horse (Machine Gun), 6th Light Horse, 7th Light Horse, 14th Light Horse (Machine Gun), 21st Light Horse, 6th Motor Regiment.
5th Cavalry Brigade
6th Cavalry Brigade
The brigade was formed in September 1939?, and assigned to the 2nd Australian Cavalry Division. The brigade did not see any active service and was converted into the 6th Australian Motor Brigade in March 1942. Units that served with the brigade during the war were 3rd Light Horse, 18th Light Horse (Machine Gun), 9th/23rd Light Horse, 9th Motor Regiment, 4th Military District Reconnaissance Company, 3rd Reconnaissance Company
1st Motor Brigade
The brigade was converted in April 1942, from the 1st Cavalry Brigade??. The brigade was assigned to the 5th Division on formation, then transferred to the 1st Motor Division in September 1942, and transferred again in November 1942, to the 3rd Armoured Division. The brigade was disbanded in July 1943, and did not see any active service. Units that served with the brigade during the war were 2nd Reconnaissance Battalion, 5th Motor Regiment, 11th Motor Regiment, 16th Motor Regiment, 6th Anti-Tank Battery. Royal Australian Artillery, 232nd Light Anti-Aircraft Battery Royal Australian Artillery, 6th Field Squadron, Royal Australian Engineers
2nd Motor Brigade
The brigade was converted in March 1942, from the 1st Cavalry Brigade??, the new brigade was assigned to the 1st Australian Motor Division. The brigade did not see any active service and was disbanded at Gherang, Victoria in January 1943. Units that served with the brigade during the war were 1st Motor Regiment, 12th Motor Regiment, 24th Motor Regiment, 16th Motor Regiment, 6th Motor Regiment, 7th Motor Regiment, 15th Motor Regiment, 17th Motor Regiment, 20th Motor Regiment & 1st Field Squadron, Royal Australian Engineers
3rd Motor Brigade
The brigade was converted in March 1942, from the 1st Cavalry Brigade.?? The brigade was assigned to the 2nd Australian Motor Division in September 1942, it then was assigned to the III Corps between October 1942 and January 1943. Between January and September 1943 it was attached to the 1st Armoured Division and from September 1943, to April 1944, it was attached to the 2nd Division. It returned to III Corps command from April 1944 until it was disbanded in August 1944. Units that served with the brigade during the war were 4th Motor Regiment, 26th Motor Regiment, 101st Motor Regiment, 25th Cavalry Regiment.
4th Motor Brigade
The brigade was converted in March 1942, from the 1st Cavalry Brigade??, and converted again to the 3rd Army Tank Brigade in May 1942. The brigade was assigned to the 1st Australian Motor Division on formation and did not see any active service. Units that served with the brigade during the war were 3rd Armoured Regiment, 6th Motor Regiment, 7th Motor Regiment, 14th Motor Regiment
5th Motor Brigade
The brigade was formed in April 1942 at Geelong, Victoria. The brigade did not last long and in June 1942 it was absorbed into the 6th Armoured Brigade. Units that served with the brigade during the war were 3rd Motor Regiment, 104th Motor Regiment, 13th Armoured Regiment, 14th Armoured Regiment
6th Motor Brigade
The brigade was converted in March 1942, from the 6th Cavalry Brigade, and converted again to the 6th Armoured Brigade in May 1942. The brigade was assigned to the 2nd Australian Motor Division on formation and did not see any active service. Units that served with the brigade during the war were 9th Motor Regiment, 18th Motor Regiment, 3rd Reconnaissance Company, 23rd Reconnaissance Company.
3rd Army Tank Brigade
The 3rd Army Tank Brigade was formed on 6 May 1942 by the conversion of the 4th Motor Brigade and bringing together three armoured regiments which had previously formed part of the 1st Cavalry Division. As with all British Commonwealth Tank Brigades, the primary role of the 3rd Army Tank Brigade was to provide armoured support to infantry formations. In keeping with this role the Brigade was initially equipped with Matilda II tanks which had previously been issued to the 1st Armoured Brigade.
Upon formation the 3rd Army Tank Brigade was concentrated in the Hunter Valley region of New South Wales for training with the Brigade eventually being located at Singleton. The 1st Army Tank Battalion was detached from the Brigade and re-assigned to the newly formed 4th Armoured Brigade in February 1943.
As it had been decided that the 4th Armoured Brigade would be responsible for providing all armoured support to Australian Army units in the Pacific Theatre the 3rd Army Tank Brigade headquarters and support units were gradually disbanded between 6 August and 26 September 1943. The 2nd and 3rd Army Tank battalions were, however, retained as independent battalion groups until their disbandment in March 1944 (the 2nd Army Tank Battalion was also re-equipped with M3 Grant medium tanks in September 1943). The Brigade was commanded by Brigadier J.A. Clarebrough throughout its brief history.
The 1st Army Tank Battalion was the only element of the Brigade to see action. After its separation from the Brigade the Battalion served in the Huon Peninsula campaign of 1943–1944 and, after being re-designated the 1st Armoured Regiment, the Australian liberation of Balikpapan in Borneo in 1945.
Upon formation, the 3rd Army Tank Brigade consisted of:
• 3rd Army Tank Brigade HQ
• 1st Army Tank Battalion (Matilda II) (previously the 1st Light Horse Regiment)
• 2nd Army Tank Battalion (Matilda II) (previously the 2nd Armoured Car Regiment)
• 3rd Army Tank Battalion (Matilda II) (formed by expanding the 1st Light Tank Company)
4th Armoured Brigade
The Australian 4th Armoured Brigade was formed in January 1943 to provide armoured support for Australian Army units operating in the South West Pacific Area. The Brigade was never intended to serve as a single formation, rather its role was to provide a pool of armoured units from which units and sub-units could be provided to augment infantry forces. The Brigade was also responsible for developing doctrine and specialised armoured vehicles for armoured warfare in tropical terrain.
In keeping with the Brigade's task of providing armoured units to other formations, the Brigade's armoured regiments were organised into self-supporting regimental groups and the Brigade did not possess the reconnaissance, infantry and other supporting elements which were common in Second World War era armoured brigades.
The 4th Armoured Brigade was disbanded in March 1946.

Upon formation
• 4th Armoured Brigade HQ (previously 6th Armoured Brigade HQ)
• 1st Army Tank Battalion (Matilda II) (ex-3rd Army Tank Brigade)
• 2/6th Armoured Regiment (M3 Stuart) (previously independent)
• 2/9th Armoured Regiment (M3 Grant) (ex-3rd Armoured Division)
• Signals, engineers and service troops
Upon disbandment
• 4th Armoured Brigade HQ
• 1st Armoured Regiment (Matilda II)
• 2/4th Armoured Regiment (Matilda II) (ex-3rd Armoured Division)
• 2/6th Armoured Regiment (M3 Grant)
• 2/9th Armoured Regiment (M3 Grant)
• 1st Armoured Amphibious Squadron (LVT) (newly raised)
• Armoured Squadron (Special Equipment) (specialised Matilda II variants) (newly raised)
• Signals, engineers and service troops

• A and C Squadrons of the 1st Army Tank Battalion saw action attached to the Australian 9th Division in the Huon Peninsula campaign of 1943-1944
• C Squadron of 2/4th Armoured Regiment saw action attached to the Australian 6th Division in Wewak from October 1944 until the end of the war.
• A and B Squadrons of 2/4th Armoured Regiment were deployed to Bougainville as part of Australian II Corps in 1945.
• C Squadron of the 2/9th Armoured Regiment was attached to the 26th Brigade Group during the invasion of Tarakan in May 1945.
• The remainder of the 2/9th Armoured Regiment was attached to the 9th Division during its operations in British North Borneo from June 1945 until the end of the war.
• 1st Armoured Regiment and the Armoured Squadron (Special Equipment) were attached to the Australian 7th Division during its operations in Balikpapan from July 1945 until the end of the war.
6th Armoured Brigade
The brigade was formed in May 1942, by the conversion of the 6th Motor Brigade? and was assigned to the 2nd Motor Division. The brigade also absorbed units of the 5th Motor Brigade in June 1942. The brigade remained in Australia and did not see any active service before it was converted into the 4th Armoured Brigade in March 1943. Units that served with the brigade during the war were 9th Motor Regiment, 12th Armoured Regiment, 13th Armoured Regiment, 14th Armoured Regiment & 3rd Reconnaissance Company


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RE: Andy Question - 2/28/2013 1:32:25 AM   
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Regarding 1st & 2nd Armoured Car Rgts,
1st Armoured Car Regiment. The 19th Light Horse Armoured Car Regiment was raised at Horsham in late 1933. The Light Horse designation was dropped and the unit became known as 1st Armoured Car Regiment (The Wimmera Regiment) In 1941 the unit was converted to a Motor Regiment after having provided a number of reinforcements to Divisional Cavalry Regiments of the AIF.
7/12/41 3rd Cavalry Brigade Hamilton.
Converted to 1st Motor Regiment in 1941, later 1st Army Tank Battalion
2nd Armoured Car Regiment.
Formed in Ashfield, Sydney in March 1939. In January 1940 the unit was renamed as 2nd Armoured Regiment and to 14th Light Horse Regiment in June 1940 and within a month back to 2nd Armoured Regiment.
Converted to 2nd Army Tank Battalion in 1942 at Greta


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RE: Andy Question - 2/28/2013 12:31:15 PM   
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What a labor of love. PM incoming.

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RE: Andy Question - 2/28/2013 9:06:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JeffK
If anyone is interested, I have a file on just about every Combat Battalion of the Australian Army raised in Australia.
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Oh, I might be a little bit interested just little bit you know.

Holy Cow !!! You totally RULE !!!

Got your PM and will be responding soon. It's guys like you and things like this that make me come back to this board.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

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RE: Andy Question - 2/28/2013 11:43:16 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: JeffK
If anyone is interested, I have a file on just about every Combat Battalion of the Australian Army raised in Australia.
<snip>

Oh, I might be a little bit interested just little bit you know.

Holy Cow !!! You totally RULE !!!

Got your PM and will be responding soon. It's guys like you and things like this that make me come back to this board.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Sam


Dont tell anyone, i have a reputation to keep up

Mike, yours should be on the way.

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RE: Andy Question - 3/1/2013 10:13:58 AM   
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This is for JeffK because I know he will get all over it. Puzzling about the Australians I made an executive decision. I know I might get apanked for it but I can’t help it. Too many brigades got swapped around and some went overseas, and some didn’t, and it’s too easy now. Making the Australians a brigade oob helps a lot because some can be restricted and some can be deployable. It helps too with the cavalry.


Great minds... Can't find the thread at the moment, some time ago I proposed to switch the Aussie OOB to brigade structure because many units did not serve outside Oz. Was told that this will lower the Aussie combat capabilities since whole divisions fight better than a collection of Bde or Bn sized units of equal cumulative strength.

Decided to keep the AMF as divisions, but limiting the combat power of CMF was ok for me. So now I have divisional CMF HQ units "presiding" over CMF brigades which can be assigned to any Div HQ at pleasure. Those Bdes which did not see service outside Oz are permanently restricted, those which got disbanded will.

The swapping of Bde between Divs and Bn between Bdes, amalgamations, name changes, disbanding of units etc. are a big headache and some choices have to be made. Will check if my research is close to what JeffK has posted. Didn't bother to tinker with the TO&Es - my headache was big enough already.

So big thumbs up from me for your project - have fun!

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RE: Andy Question - 3/1/2013 8:16:53 PM   
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For LST,
as mentioned it grew out of the big picture so isnt very detailed
4th Garrison Brigade
Dec 41 Adelaide
1st Garrison Battalion
7/12/41 Enoggera (Brisbane) 1st Garrison Brigade
detachment at Wallangara, Border rail loop on NSW/Qld border)
2nd Garrison Battalion.
7/12/41 1st Division Sydney
28/4/42 1st Army troops
6/5/42 1st Army troops. North Head Sydney.
30/9/43 Sydney Fortress Area North Head Sydney/Pt Kembla/Newcastle
3rd Garrison Battalion.
7/12/41 3rd Garrison Bde Fort Nepean
4th Garrison Battalion.
7/12/41 4th Garrison Bde Adelaide
7/2/42 4th Garrison Brigade Adelaide (Internal Security)
March 1943 Battalion shrank to HQ & 2 Coys 16/523
5th Garrison Battalion.
7/12/41 5th Garrison Bde Swanbourne - Perth
6th Garrison Battalion.
7/12/41 Hobart
8/43 Reverted to nucleus with 4/50.
7th Garrison Battalion.
7/12/41 1st Division Sydney
6/5/42 9th Infantry Brigade Wallgrove
5/43 Cairns (Coast Defense)
Disbanded 14/8/43
8th Garrison Battalion.
7/12/41 Newcastle Covering Force
6/5/42 32nd Infantry Brigade New Lambton
9th Garrison Battalion.
7/12/41 3rd Garrison Bde Fort Queenscliffe
30/9/43 9th Garrison Coy Coast Defense Queenscliffe
14/8/43 Reverted to 9th Garrison Company
10th Garrison Battalion.
7/12/41 5th Garrison Bde Rottnest Is - Perth
11th Garrison Battalion.
Sydney (Internal Security)
12th Garrison Battalion.

13th Garrison Battalion.

7/12/41 1st Infantry Division Sydney
6/5/42 28th Infantry Brigade Pt Kembla
30/9/43 Cairns
Disbanded 14/8/43
14th Garrison Battalion.
7/12/41 Enoggera (Brisbane) 1st Garrison Brigade
19/9/42 Torres Straits Force

14th Garrison Battalion was formed in Brisbane on 14th December 1941, by June it had moved to Cairns and on 15th July 1942 shipped from Cairns and arrived at Thursday Island.

On 29/12/42 the Battalion was renamed 62nd Australian Infantry Battalion and moved to Merauke in Dutch New Guinea.

15th Garrison Battalion.
7/12/41 Townsville
Yanco Internment camp.
16th Garrison Battalion.
Hay Internment Camp
17th Garrison Battalion.
NO. 1 CAMP, TATURA INTERNMENT GROUP.
18th Garrison Battalion
7/12/41 3rd Infantry Brigade Adelaide
19th Garrison Battalion.
7/12/41 Coy & MG Pl Albany, Coy & MG Pl Geraldton, Coy & MG Pl Busselton, Coy & MG Pl Bunbury.
20th Garrison Battalion.
7/12/41 Newcastle Covering Force
6/5/42 32nd Infantry Brigade Broughton Camp.
Disbanded 14/8/43
21st Garrison Battalion.
Internment Camp, Liverpool.
Liverpool POW & Internment camps.
Jun3 1943 the Battalion became 21st Garrison Company with 10/172
22nd Garrison Battalion.
Cowra POW Camp
23rd Garrison Battalion.
Murchison POW Camps
MURCHISON, AUSTRALIA. 1943-01. PERSONNEL OF "B" COMPANY, 23RD AUSTRALIAN GARRISON BATTALION, NO. 13 PRISONER OF WAR GROUP ON PARADE.
24th Garrison Battalion.

25th Garrison Battalion.

BARMERA, SOUTH AUSTRALIA. 14TH AUSTRALIAN PRISONER OF WAR AND INTERNMENT CAMP LOVEDAY GROUP
BARMERA, SOUTH AUSTRALIA. 1943-03-11 25/33RD GARRISON BATTALION 10TH PRISONER OF WAR AND INTERNMENT CAMP, LOVEDAY GROUP.
9/43 Linked with 33rd Garrison Battalion to form 25/33rd Garrison Battalion.
29th Garrison Battalion.

30th Garrison Battalion.

Tasmania
6/4/43 Unit reverted to HQ Coy, 1 Coy with 3 platoons and 1 Coy with 2 platoons with 10/346
11/43 Unit further shrank to 1 Coy with 3/112
31st Garrison Battalion.
Formed 7/4/42 30/1019
Bolton Point nr Newcastle.
32nd Garrison Battalion.
4/5/42 Formed Brisbane
14/6/43 Battalion disbanded with its men moving to 1st Garrison Battalion.
33rd Garrison Battalion.
9/43 Linked with 25th Garrison Battalion to form 25/33rd Garrison Battalion
3rd Reserve Battalion. These 2 Reserve Bns seem a dupliacte of the relevant Garrison Bns, I have records showing both names??
7/12/41 Pt Lonsdale
5th Reserve Battalion.
7/12/41 Portsea

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RE: Andy Question - 3/1/2013 8:26:27 PM   
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Great minds... Can't find the thread at the moment, some time ago I proposed to switch the Aussie OOB to brigade structure because many units did not serve outside Oz. Was told that this will lower the Aussie combat capabilities since whole divisions fight better than a collection of Bde or Bn sized units of equal cumulative strength
Some time ago I put forward that the level of the OOB altered through the war, and agree that it should change by Nationality.
(Talking outside China)
Early days it was a battle between Regiments, Brigades and Battalions, only the IJA fought as Divisions, the Allies scrabbled together Brigades/Regiments to put in their way and until the end of the Burma Campaign/Buna-Gona/Guadalcanal era did not fight as Divisions.
Of course a collection of 3 Brigades from 3 Divisions does not fight as well as a full Division, but sometimes thats all you have to fight with. Maybe a solution is a Div HQ unit which can supply some support for a Div equivalent of Bdes??


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RE: BabesLite '42 Scenario - 4/25/2013 6:28:06 PM   
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Everything is done for Japan and for US Army, Navy, and Marines. Mike Osterhaut is after me to do the Dutch anyway, even though they go away for the '42 scenario. That makes the Dutch and Br/Aus/NZ the last things left to do. Did the changes so everything is BigBabes but everything stays in its slot so it can be played with the stock AI!! How bout them apples!! Sent my latest files up to the bosses and they came back with flying colors. Things just keep falling into place, thanks to Mike, Matt and John.

Just need to do the Dutch and Br/Aus/NZ TO&Es and OOBs, and then do a fast-forward to April/May 1942. Feeling good and feeling confident. The more I work with the system the faster I get with it. Should have a BabesLite update done in a week. The '42 scenario should be finished by Christmas or new Years.



Sam


May I ask what's the status of the '42 BigBabes style scenario?
With Nikademus and his '42 "stock" scenario MIA, this is my hope for the future with the lovely game...

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RE: BabesLite '42 Scenario - 4/28/2013 9:27:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: viberpol
May I ask what's the status of the '42 BigBabes style scenario?
With Nikademus and his '42 "stock" scenario MIA, this is my hope for the future with the lovely game...

I'm afraid it's also MIA. Sam did a fabulous job with the database, everything anyone could wish, but the game requires a bit more than that. Turns out the code for the econ model can't handle a 6 month shift; it gets verlumpt, verblundgered and verkackt. It eats itself because of the specific way that time is calculated in many (most?) of the algorithms.

And then there's the AI. There's literally hundreds of scripts and it would take stepping through each and every one and lining up the changes with every other script that references the one changed. Without that, the AI moves things around based on 1941 legacy scripts. Not good juju. In fact, it made poor Sam comatose.

Given all this, Sam's 42 scenario was not something we could release as a "Babes" scenario. All of our GC stuff MUST work within the constraints of the engine and be, at least, acceptable to the AI so that anybody and everybody can use it. I hope you understand.

JWE

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