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RE: Strange but true - we are under attack - 11/17/2012 4:48:41 AM

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Is Panzer Corps Afrika Corps affected by this?

I don't know if this is true but I wonder if this is generating a lot of buzz outside of just Matrix.com.

I have noticed something really strange...

I do some reviews for fun of various games and since this whole thing, my Youtube page has seen it's average daily view count go from 300-400 per day to...

2,905 on 11/15/12, to 3,250 on 11/16/12 and then another 1,000+ today (I don't know where it will end today yet)

I've seen the VAST majority on a Review of Panzer Corps - Afrkia Corps.

At least I tried to be fair on that review, and no one has spammed the discussion thread, just interesting so many people have randomly viewed the game

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RE: Strange but true - we are under attack - 11/17/2012 12:55:45 PM

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Are you blokes sure that Metacritic hasn't linked this games account with some other game and everything hasn't gotten all jumbled together? The release date and the reviews point to a different game, probably some half baked German RPG.

Just being honest here, I really, really cannot see anyone going to these lengths over such a small niche game like this. I advise looking for another reason here, unless my spidey senses are totally out of whack.

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RE: Strange but true - we are under attack - 11/17/2012 1:00:24 PM

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Ok...

These are the websites where the quoted review from page one appear:

"The execution of combat is spotty, and the localization of this German game is a real issue. You receive the "Translation is missing" option in some conversation menus. This message also appears on some doors and gates in the dungeons; while the information isn't essential, it's nice for things in your game to have names. Sometimes, these names are still in German. The game also has some crash bugs, including one annoying crash that happens whenever you try to put more than three points into one of a character's skills, limiting his progression on that portion of the skill tree. These flaws point to one thing: The game isn't finished."

http://au.gamespot.com/grotesque-tactics-2-dungeons-and-donuts/reviews/grotesque-tactics-2-dungeons-and-donuts-review-6348143/

http://bobfartall.com/blog/tag/donuts/

Looking like a game called 'Grotesque tactics 2' at the moment...

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RE: Strange but true - we are under attack - 11/17/2012 2:31:17 PM

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Ok, it was late, and someone over at CCS linked to this thread, and when I got here I skimmed the thread, for entertainment purposes.

Me thinks you guys need to load something different into your bongs.

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RE: Strange but true - we are under attack - 11/17/2012 5:02:16 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: flanyboy

Is Panzer Corps Afrika Corps affected by this?

I don't know if this is true but I wonder if this is generating a lot of buzz outside of just Matrix.com.

I have noticed something really strange...

I do some reviews for fun of various games and since this whole thing, my Youtube page has seen it's average daily view count go from 300-400 per day to...

2,905 on 11/15/12, to 3,250 on 11/16/12 and then another 1,000+ today (I don't know where it will end today yet)

I've seen the VAST majority on a Review of Panzer Corps - Afrkia Corps.

At least I tried to be fair on that review, and no one has spammed the discussion thread, just interesting so many people have randomly viewed the game

No it's because Panzer Corps Africa has appeared on torrent sites.

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RE: Strange but true - we are under attack - 11/17/2012 5:20:51 PM

DBeves

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Stwa

Ok, it was late, and someone over at CCS linked to this thread, and when I got here I skimmed the thread, for entertainment purposes.

Me thinks you guys need to load something different into your bongs.

PARANOIA RUNS DEEP

INTO YOUR LIFE IT WILL CREEP

IT STARTS WHEN YOU ARE ALWAYS ...

Mmmm ... I think you need to lay off yours for a little ...

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RE: Strange but true - we are under attack - 11/17/2012 6:50:26 PM

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There are also people who give 10/10 scores after several hours of playing. People should really hold their judgements until the hype wears out and they can look critically on a game.

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RE: Strange but true - we are under attack - 11/18/2012 12:14:26 AM

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Perturabo..thats what I was saying further up..not one review on there positive or negative now has any credibility.

I'm wondering whether this hasn't been done to try and stitch someone up.

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RE: Strange but true - we are under attack - 11/18/2012 9:42:11 AM

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It is getting harder and harder to tell the fake reviews from the "real" reviews.

http://www.metacritic.com/user/overdrivesp

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RE: Strange but true - we are under attack - 11/18/2012 9:50:02 AM

Stwa

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Just had an idea.

Rather than give out a reward or bounty for the "fake" reviewers, maybe we could set up an awards program for registered customers.

For each positive review a customer writes at Metacritic, you will be awarded bonus points toward a free game.

Qui?

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RE: Strange but true - we are under attack - 11/18/2012 10:21:54 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DBeves

quote:

ORIGINAL: Montez12

Lord Zimoa, do you really think that user reviews like this, many of which make absolutely no sense, encourage people not to buy the game, when editor reviews might rate this game an 8-8.5? Do you also really think that potential customers believe that 11 reviews out of 27 on Metacritic that rate Panzer Corps a 10 are in any way an accurate representation of the game? If that's the case, then Call of Duty Black Ops II sales would have been terrible.

Trust me, most customers are way smarter than you think.

Hey - maybe this guy is your first suspect. Do you not think it a bit suspicious he joins a couple of days ago to start bitching about what ian asked. A PERSON OF INTEREST if you ask me. There would be a clue in his user name I would think

Yes, the guy is suspect at the very least.

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RE: Strange but true - we are under attack - 11/18/2012 7:01:22 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Stwa

Just had an idea.

Rather than give out a reward or bounty for the "fake" reviewers, maybe we could set up an awards program for registered customers.

For each positive review a customer writes at Metacritic, you will be awarded bonus points toward a free game.

Qui?

Probably not a good idea, giving payment in whatever form for a positive review wipes out any credibility the review might have had and soliciting positive reviews with the promise of payment would strike me as rather unethical to say the least.

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RE: Strange but true - we are under attack - 11/19/2012 12:53:29 AM

Stwa

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Correct!

Or are reviews or the scoring of said reviews just advertising. Lots of commentary on page 1 hinting that reviews are just advertising.

So I am going to use the word "advertising" instead of the word "reviews". So which of these seems unethical to everyone.

a. Soliciting positive advertising from on-line communities or on-line magazines with the promise of payment or like exchanges.

b. Soliciting information from on-line communities about the sources of negative advertising with the promise of payment.

c. Soliciting positive or negative advertising from any person or agency without the promise of payment or like exchanges.

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RE: Strange but true - we are under attack - 11/19/2012 1:13:50 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SapperAstro

Are you blokes sure that Metacritic hasn't linked this games account with some other game and everything hasn't gotten all jumbled together? The release date and the reviews point to a different game, probably some half baked German RPG.

Just being honest here, I really, really cannot see anyone going to these lengths over such a small niche game like this. I advise looking for another reason here, unless my spidey senses are totally out of whack.

Hmnn.. that's a mighty suspicious post. You might be laying a smoke screen. Another name for my "person of interest" bounty list!

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RE: Strange but true - we are under attack - 11/19/2012 1:15:18 AM

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ORIGINAL: Stwa

Correct!

Or are reviews or the scoring of said reviews just advertising. Lots of commentary on page 1 hinting that reviews are just advertising.

So I am going to use the word "advertising" instead of the word "reviews". So which of these seems unethical to everyone.

a. Soliciting positive advertising from on-line communities or on-line magazines with the promise of payment or like exchanges.

b. Soliciting information from on-line communities about the sources of negative advertising with the promise of payment.

c. Soliciting positive or negative advertising from any person or agency without the promise of payment or like exchanges.

Seems like a lot of inside knowledge here, you're on the list!

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RE: Strange but true - we are under attack - 11/19/2012 1:18:00 AM

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Yes, the guy is suspect at the very least.

Ah.. The guilty are always the first to say "it's the other guy"! Very suspect. You're on the list!

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RE: Strange but true - we are under attack - 11/19/2012 1:21:26 AM

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ORIGINAL: wodin

Perturabo..thats what I was saying further up..not one review on there positive or negative now has any credibility.

I'm wondering whether this hasn't been done to try and stitch someone up.

Interesting........You're on the list!

So many suspects.......so few bong hits!

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RE: Strange but true - we are under attack - 11/19/2012 1:26:07 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: vonRocko

quote:

ORIGINAL: HanBarca

Yes, the guy is suspect at the very least.

Ah.. The guilty are always the first to say "it's the other guy"! Very suspect. You're on the list!

Here's another suspect, trying to blame everyone else.

I would humbly suggest to Matrix, dont encourage anyone to post reviews anywhere, as mentioned those sites have lost credibility.

Encourage players to post on these forums, show what the game is about, allow players to talk over the high and low points and in those too few cases, the support which is given to further the games.

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RE: Strange but true - we are under attack - 11/19/2012 1:42:43 AM

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Ok I got it! It was Colonel Mustard, he used a candlestick in the Billiard room!!

Ian, make that check out to "vonRocko". With a capital R.

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RE: Strange but true - we are under attack - 11/19/2012 3:03:47 AM

Stwa

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ORIGINAL: vonRocko

quote:

ORIGINAL: Stwa

Correct!

Or are reviews or the scoring of said reviews just advertising. Lots of commentary on page 1 hinting that reviews are just advertising.

So I am going to use the word "advertising" instead of the word "reviews". So which of these seems unethical to everyone.

a. Soliciting positive advertising from on-line communities or on-line magazines with the promise of payment or like exchanges.

b. Soliciting information from on-line communities about the sources of negative advertising with the promise of payment.

c. Soliciting positive or negative advertising from any person or agency without the promise of payment or like exchanges.

Seems like a lot of inside knowledge here, you're on the list!

OMG! I'm on Rocko's LIST.

Actually, I do know who did it. I have taken their signed confession. I will turn over this confession (hope its not fake), after Slitherene deposits the reward into my personal account. (no fake checks please).

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RE: Strange but true - we are under attack - 11/19/2012 12:05:11 PM

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We'd love people to come to the site to read reviews but they don't. They go to metacritic.

While we live in that world we have to take action when a deliberate and criminal attack is made on one of our games via this site.

The overdrive review is exactly the problem the original attack was intended to create - doubt and confusion. The problem is its hard to tell now if this is a real person or another fake account. We need everyone to be aware of what actually happened so they can take this in to account when reading the reviews.

Our job is to protect the development team as much as possible. It is a great game and deserves great success.

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RE: Strange but true - we are under attack - 11/19/2012 7:29:15 PM

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Hehe..I'm sure I'm on the list..or I've been put forward..wouldn't surprise me in the least.

quote:

ORIGINAL: vonRocko

quote:

ORIGINAL: wodin

Perturabo..thats what I was saying further up..not one review on there positive or negative now has any credibility.

I'm wondering whether this hasn't been done to try and stitch someone up.

Interesting........You're on the list!

So many suspects.......so few bong hits!

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RE: Strange but true - we are under attack - 12/16/2012 10:17:40 AM

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Its sad to see someone doing things like this to small developers.

I would however advice you against linking directly to these sites, cause it will lead to them getting "link juice" and more pagerank on Google. This can also lead to these usernames getting a higher score on Metacritics, since they have a system to know what kind of in-links they get. Especially when people and bots are clicking on them.

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