Puhis
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ORIGINAL: AdmSpruance John...I completely agree with you. Whats up with this game design where you put your CAP at 20,000' and you cant intercept an incoming strike at 15,000' with 35 minutes of radar warning, radios and "Fighter Direction Control". If we were talking about Japanese CAP then I would completely understand the inherent inadequacies. For the Allies to suffer from this is absolutely uncomprehensible. If 200 plus fighters cant stop 25 A6M2s and 25 Bettys....what happens when you get a Marianas Turkey Shoot Scenario where over 450 Jap AC are destroyed without the USN carriers getting their paint scratched? Allies have no problems of shooting down small Japanese strikes. Here are examples of my latest PBEM turn. AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Aug 09, 43  Morning Air attack on TF, near Jaluit at 134,123 Weather in hex: Severe storms Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 27 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zero x 13 A6M5b Zero x 4 G4M1 Betty x 3 Allied aircraft F4F4 Wildcat x 10 FM1 Wildcat x 16 F4U1 Corsair x 8 F6F3 Hellcat x 41 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zero: 6 destroyed A6M5b Zero: 2 destroyed G4M1 Betty: 2 destroyed Allied aircraft losses FM1 Wildcat: 1 destroyed F6F3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed CAP engaged: VF37 with F6F3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) (1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Raid is overhead VF35 with F6F3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) (1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 10 minutes 1 planes vectored on to bombers VF60 with F6F3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) (1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 5 minutes VF24 with F6F3 Hellcat (2 airborne, 2 on standby, 6 scrambling) (4 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.) 2 plane(s) intercepting now. 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 15000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 45 minutes 8 planes vectored on to bombers VMF422 with F4U1 Corsair (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) (1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 7 minutes 1 planes vectored on to bombers VF35 with F6F3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 9 minutes 1 planes vectored on to bombers VF37 with F6F3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 7 minutes 2 planes vectored on to bombers VC(F)41 with FM1 Wildcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 8 minutes VF60 with F6F3 Hellcat (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 2 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Raid is overhead VRF1F with F6F3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 10 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 6 minutes 10 planes vectored on to bombers VRF4F with F6F3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 10 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 4 minutes VRF5F with FM1 Wildcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 8 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes 8 planes vectored on to bombers VF22 with F6F3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 9 minutes 1 planes vectored on to bombers VC(F)33 with FM1 Wildcat (0 airborne, 2 on standby, 3 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 2000 and 10000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes 5 planes vectored on to bombers VRF6F with F4F4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 10 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 2 minutes VMF214 with F4U1 Corsair (7 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 7 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 15000 Raid is overhead  Morning Air attack on TF, near Jaluit at 134,123 Weather in hex: Severe storms Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 13 minutes Japanese aircraft B6N2 Jill x 9 Allied aircraft F4F4 Wildcat x 10 FM1 Wildcat x 15 F4U1 Corsair x 6 F6F3 Hellcat x 31 Japanese aircraft losses B6N2 Jill: 6 destroyed No Allied losses CAP engaged: VF35 with F6F3 Hellcat (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Raid is overhead VF35 with F6F3 Hellcat (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Raid is overhead VF37 with F6F3 Hellcat (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Raid is overhead VC(F)41 with FM1 Wildcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 5000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 38 minutes VF60 with F6F3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 10000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 42 minutes VRF1F with F6F3 Hellcat (7 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 7 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Raid is overhead VRF4F with F6F3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 9 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 3000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 122 minutes VRF5F with FM1 Wildcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 8 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 3000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 49 minutes VF22 with F6F3 Hellcat (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Raid is overhead VC(F)33 with FM1 Wildcat (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 3 plane(s) intercepting now. 3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 3000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 15 minutes VRF6F with F4F4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 10 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 4810. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 12 minutes VMF214 with F4U1 Corsair (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 5 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 7000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes VMF422 with F4U1 Corsair (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Raid is overhead VF24 with F6F3 Hellcat (8 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 8 plane(s) intercepting now. 1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 3000 and 15000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 42 minutes  Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Jaluit at 134,123 Weather in hex: Overcast Raid detected at 87 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 30 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zero x 9 A6M5b Zero x 2 D4Y1 Judy x 3 G4M1 Betty x 10 Allied aircraft F4F4 Wildcat x 10 FM1 Wildcat x 15 F4U1 Corsair x 10 F6F3 Hellcat x 30 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zero: 5 destroyed A6M5b Zero: 1 destroyed D4Y1 Judy: 2 destroyed G4M1 Betty: 7 destroyed No Allied losses CAP engaged: VF24 with F6F3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) (5 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 5 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 15000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 6 minutes VMF422 with F4U1 Corsair (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) (3 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 5 minutes 2 planes vectored on to bombers VF35 with F6F3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 4 minutes VF37 with F6F3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Raid is overhead VC(F)41 with FM1 Wildcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 3 minutes 1 planes vectored on to bombers VF60 with F6F3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 10 minutes VRF1F with F6F3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 10 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 3 minutes VRF4F with F6F3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 9 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 6 minutes 9 planes vectored on to bombers VRF5F with FM1 Wildcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 8 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 31 minutes 8 planes vectored on to bombers VF22 with F6F3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 4 minutes VC(F)33 with FM1 Wildcat (0 airborne, 2 on standby, 3 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 35500. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 46 minutes 4 planes vectored on to bombers VRF6F with F4F4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 10 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 8 minutes 10 planes vectored on to bombers VMF214 with F4U1 Corsair (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 7 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 15000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 6 minutes That day allied CAP shot down every single japanese bomber, here is just part of the report. Air model works certain way, like it or not... If your CAP setting are wrong, why not just change them?
