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Bomber coordination seems worse with patch - 11/6/2012 5:07:58 PM   
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Ark and I have both noticed a sharp decrease in bomber coordination after the installation of the patch in our campaign. Has anyone else experienced this? My Allied bombers are now primarily going in in small batches and getting creamed by CAP.

We are only a few turns in but it seems to be a pattern.

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RE: Bomber coordination seems worse with patch - 11/6/2012 5:11:33 PM   
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Like this?

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RE: Bomber coordination seems worse with patch - 11/6/2012 6:40:09 PM   
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Which version are you using?
Beta version V1119b should have fixed a bug introduced with a previous beta.

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RE: Bomber coordination seems worse with patch - 11/7/2012 2:38:58 AM   
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v1119. I will see about V1119b as I am certainly having a problem.

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RE: Bomber coordination seems worse with patch - 11/7/2012 5:19:37 AM   
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There is already 1119h version

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RE: Bomber coordination seems worse with patch - 11/8/2012 12:39:15 AM   
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and 119 h fixes this quite nicely.

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RE: Bomber coordination seems worse with patch - 11/8/2012 3:51:55 AM   
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I am on 1119e and its still definitely present. Nearly every group comes in by itself and most are not escorted.

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RE: Bomber coordination seems worse with patch - 11/8/2012 4:12:54 AM   
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I've hesitated to post on this since I'm still pretty rusty with AE and I thought it might just be me, but coordination in my game has been atrocious as well. We started a campaign with 1119a, but despite updates, nothing seems to have changed. Early war as Japan, I don't think I've seen a single completely coordinated raid yet involving more than two air groups. Even with just two or three groups, I'm still seeing frequent fragmentation from both sides.

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RE: Bomber coordination seems worse with patch - 11/8/2012 4:13:52 AM   
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Well, I will update to h tonight and report back.

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RE: Bomber coordination seems worse with patch - 11/8/2012 2:17:00 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Saros

I am on 1119e and its still definitely present. Nearly every group comes in by itself and most are not escorted.


We're playing 19e and I can assure you that Japanese bombing raids are well coordinated, with escorts, in 1941. Like so many times with the air models I think trying to isolate code behavior here from behind the player curtain is a fool's errand.

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RE: Bomber coordination seems worse with patch - 11/8/2012 2:47:49 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58


quote:

ORIGINAL: Saros

I am on 1119e and its still definitely present. Nearly every group comes in by itself and most are not escorted.


We're playing 19e and I can assure you that Japanese bombing raids are well coordinated, with escorts, in 1941. Like so many times with the air models I think trying to isolate code behavior here from behind the player curtain is a fool's errand.


Well, in the earlier version gameplay and tests (results in the previous thread on the issue) showed the problem to be very obvious and predictable. I was a sceptic at first that it was not an intended change it was so prominent until MichaelM posted that the issue was not intended, but did exist and would be fixed.

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3198512

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RE: Bomber coordination seems worse with patch - 11/8/2012 2:56:14 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: obvert

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58


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ORIGINAL: Saros

I am on 1119e and its still definitely present. Nearly every group comes in by itself and most are not escorted.


We're playing 19e and I can assure you that Japanese bombing raids are well coordinated, with escorts, in 1941. Like so many times with the air models I think trying to isolate code behavior here from behind the player curtain is a fool's errand.


Well, in the earlier version gameplay and tests (results in the previous thread on the issue) showed the problem to be very obvious and predictable. I was a sceptic at first that it was not an intended change it was so prominent until MichaelM posted that the issue was not intended, but did exist and would be fixed.

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3198512


Yes, but my post only relates to 19E, not 19A. What I responded to related to 19E as well. Am I missing something? Your cite referred to events from mid-October.

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RE: Bomber coordination seems worse with patch - 11/8/2012 3:08:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

We're playing 19e and I can assure you that Japanese bombing raids are well coordinated, with escorts, in 1941. Like so many times with the air models I think trying to isolate code behavior here from behind the player curtain is a fool's errand.



Well, in the earlier version gameplay and tests (results in the previous thread on the issue) showed the problem to be very obvious and predictable. I was a sceptic at first that it was not an intended change it was so prominent until MichaelM posted that the issue was not intended, but did exist and would be fixed.

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3198512


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Yes, but my post only relates to 19E, not 19A. What I responded to related to 19E as well. Am I missing something? Your cite referred to events from mid-October.


Sorry if I'm butting in. I was responding to the idea that it was hard to see the issue with coordination from a players point of view, as it could be a result of natural variation in gameplay caused by the mystery of 'the code.'


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RE: Bomber coordination seems worse with patch - 11/8/2012 10:10:56 PM   
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Well, I just saw the replay under version H and the results were the same. Much less coordination. My superforts go in in 10 plane groups. It is hard to measure the overall effect but is seems like I am losing a lot more bombers.

Plus, coordination has always been more an Allied problem as my air groups are much smaller than many of the Japanese. My bombers are in 16, 12 and 10 plane groups while Japan has some bomber groups with 30 or more. Not to mention that stupid 90 plane Frank group that seems to be leading every sweep

But perhaps my tried and trued tactics need to be revised now. Any suggestions. How do I take on a big base with 200 CAP?



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RE: Bomber coordination seems worse with patch - 11/8/2012 10:39:40 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: crsutton

Well, I just saw the replay under version H and the results were the same. Much less coordination. My superforts go in in 10 plane groups. It is hard to measure the overall effect but is seems like I am losing a lot more bombers.

Plus, coordination has always been more an Allied problem as my air groups are much smaller than many of the Japanese. My bombers are in 16, 12 and 10 plane groups while Japan has some bomber groups with 30 or more. Not to mention that stupid 90 plane Frank group that seems to be leading every sweep

But perhaps my tried and trued tactics need to be revised now. Any suggestions. How do I take on a big base with 200 CAP?




Last time I strat bombed the HI I used up 10,000 PPs or so putting all my 4Es under one Bomber Command. It seemed to help quite a bit. I could pretty easily get raids with 350+ planes in one attack.

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RE: Bomber coordination seems worse with patch - 11/8/2012 10:56:09 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58


quote:

ORIGINAL: crsutton

Well, I just saw the replay under version H and the results were the same. Much less coordination. My superforts go in in 10 plane groups. It is hard to measure the overall effect but is seems like I am losing a lot more bombers.

Plus, coordination has always been more an Allied problem as my air groups are much smaller than many of the Japanese. My bombers are in 16, 12 and 10 plane groups while Japan has some bomber groups with 30 or more. Not to mention that stupid 90 plane Frank group that seems to be leading every sweep

But perhaps my tried and trued tactics need to be revised now. Any suggestions. How do I take on a big base with 200 CAP?




Last time I strat bombed the HI I used up 10,000 PPs or so putting all my 4Es under one Bomber Command. It seemed to help quite a bit. I could pretty easily get raids with 350+ planes in one attack.



Hmmmmmm. Nice idea but I have hardly any PPs in the bank. I am always short of them.

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RE: Bomber coordination seems worse with patch - 11/9/2012 8:23:26 AM   
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So for some players (Quixote, Saros, crsutton) whatever the reason the coordination issues introduced in the first BETA has not been resolved despite the updates?

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RE: Bomber coordination seems worse with patch - 11/9/2012 8:51:09 AM   
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I was only able to run two turns last night, but I tried the same test format I ran last time. Didn't look as good as the official patch, but in two turns there were never more than 4 groups of bombers out 11 I think that came in uncoordinated. So not as bad as the original 1119a either. I'll obviously have to do more to really know for sure if anything is better. Looks like it's hard to move to this patch though without knowing for sure. Really too bad since there is SO much in my view necessary new stuff in it.


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RE: Bomber coordination seems worse with patch - 11/10/2012 12:21:04 AM   
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When I get my next turn i'm going to run it from a fresh install patched to 1119h. I was incrementally following the patches so perhaps something got screwy. The behavior i'm (still) seeing is exactly the same as everyone reported before Michaelm returned the air co-ordination to normal.

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RE: Bomber coordination seems worse with patch - 11/10/2012 12:36:18 AM   
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For example this is the combat report for the latest turn. Co-ordination is still shot for both sides.


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Morning Air attack on Shaoyang , at 80,52

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 21 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 27

Allied aircraft
I-15-III x 5
H81-A3 x 5
Hawk 75M x 5
P-43A-1 Lancer x 9
P-66 Vanguard x 9
Hurricane IIb Trop x 16
Hurricane IIc Trop x 3
P-39D Airacobra x 4
P-400 Airacobra x 3
P-40E Warhawk x 4
F4F-4 Wildcat x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
I-15-III: 1 destroyed
H81-A3: 1 destroyed
P-66 Vanguard: 2 destroyed
Hurricane IIb Trop: 1 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra: 1 destroyed
P-400 Airacobra: 1 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 3 destroyed



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Morning Air attack on Niue , at 146,168

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 49 NM, estimated altitude 24,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 24

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 13
F4F-4 Wildcat x 33

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 9 destroyed

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 20000 feet


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Morning Air attack on Niue , at 146,168

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 28,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 24

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 9
F4F-4 Wildcat x 26

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 25000 feet


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Morning Air attack on Niue , at 146,168

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 46 NM, estimated altitude 24,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 32

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 2
F4F-4 Wildcat x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 20000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Meiktila , at 58,47

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 46 NM, estimated altitude 28,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane XIIb x 14

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Hurricane XIIb sweeping at 25000 feet



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Morning Air attack on Meiktila , at 58,47

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 35 NM, estimated altitude 29,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 13

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Hurricane IIb Trop sweeping at 25000 feet



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Morning Air attack on Meiktila , at 58,47

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 29,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 13

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Hurricane IIb Trop sweeping at 25000 feet



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Morning Air attack on Meiktila , at 58,47

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 41 NM, estimated altitude 29,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Allied aircraft
Martlet II x 9

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Martlet II sweeping at 25000 feet



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Morning Air attack on Darwin , at 76,124

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 13 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 33
A6M2-N Rufe x 32
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 34
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 11

Allied aircraft
P-38E Lightning x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2-N Rufe: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38E Lightning: 3 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Shaoyang , at 80,52

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 8 Same M3 group as above

Allied aircraft
I-15-III x 4
H81-A3 x 2
Hawk 75M x 4
P-43A-1 Lancer x 8
P-66 Vanguard x 6
Hurricane IIb Trop x 13
Hurricane IIc Trop x 3
P-39D Airacobra x 2
F4F-4 Wildcat x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-66 Vanguard: 1 destroyed



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Morning Air attack on Niue , at 146,168

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3 Also fragments of the M2 groups above

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 1
F4F-4 Wildcat x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses


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Morning Air attack on Niue , at 146,168

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 30,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 1
F4F-4 Wildcat x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses


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Morning Air attack on 70th Chinese Corps, at 80,52 (Shaoyang)

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 12
Ki-49-Ia Helen x 21 A helen group and part of a 30 plane oscar unit.

Allied aircraft
I-15-III x 4
H81-A3 x 4
Hawk 75M x 4
P-43A-1 Lancer x 19
P-66 Vanguard x 17
Hurricane IIb Trop x 13
Hurricane IIc Trop x 6
P-39D Airacobra x 23
P-400 Airacobra x 20
P-40E Warhawk x 21
F4F-4 Wildcat x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 3 destroyed
Ki-49-Ia Helen: 3 destroyed, 4 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-400 Airacobra: 1 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed

Allied ground losses:
163 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 13 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ki-49-Ia Helen bombing from 8000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
14 x Ki-49-Ia Helen bombing from 8000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 98th Chinese/B Corps ...
Also attacking 70th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 98th Chinese/B Corps ...


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Morning Air attack on 26th Chinese Corps, at 80,52 (Shaoyang)

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 6 Another fragment of the same oscar group
Ki-48-IIa Lily x 15
Ki-49-Ia Helen x 6

Allied aircraft
I-15-III x 4
H81-A3 x 4
Hawk 75M x 4
P-43A-1 Lancer x 18
P-66 Vanguard x 17
Hurricane IIb Trop x 13
Hurricane IIc Trop x 6
P-39D Airacobra x 23
P-400 Airacobra x 17
P-40E Warhawk x 19
F4F-4 Wildcat x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 3 destroyed
Ki-48-IIa Lily: 9 destroyed
Ki-49-Ia Helen: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Ki-49-Ia Helen bombing from 8000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
2 x Ki-48-IIa Lily bombing from 8000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 10th Chinese Corps, at 80,52 (Shaoyang)

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 7 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-Ia Helen x 35 A group by itself

Allied aircraft
I-15-III x 2
H81-A3 x 4
Hawk 75M x 4
P-43A-1 Lancer x 14
P-66 Vanguard x 17
Hurricane IIb Trop x 13
Hurricane IIc Trop x 6
P-39D Airacobra x 22
P-400 Airacobra x 17
P-40E Warhawk x 18
F4F-4 Wildcat x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-Ia Helen: 11 destroyed, 10 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied ground losses:
113 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Ki-49-Ia Helen bombing from 8000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
10 x Ki-49-Ia Helen bombing from 8000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb


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Morning Air attack on Niue , at 146,168

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 60 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 20 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 3 Fragment of the oscar group that swept niue above

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses


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Morning Air attack on 98th Chinese/C Corps, at 80,52 (Shaoyang)

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 27 An oscar group and part of another helen group.
Ki-49-Ia Helen x 17

Allied aircraft
I-15-III x 1
H81-A3 x 3
Hawk 75M x 4
P-43A-1 Lancer x 12
P-66 Vanguard x 17
Hurricane IIb Trop x 13
Hurricane IIc Trop x 6
P-39D Airacobra x 22
P-400 Airacobra x 16
P-40E Warhawk x 17
F4F-4 Wildcat x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-49-Ia Helen: 6 destroyed, 3 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hawk 75M: 1 destroyed

Allied ground losses:
50 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Ki-49-Ia Helen bombing from 8000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb


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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 81
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 138

Allied aircraft
Wellington Ic x 32
B-25C Mitchell x 9
B-17E Fortress x 3
B-24D Liberator x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Wellington Ic: 6 destroyed, 19 damaged
Wellington Ic: 1 destroyed by flak
B-25C Mitchell: 2 destroyed, 6 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 3 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Oil hits 18

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 6000 feet
City Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
10 x Wellington Ic bombing from 6000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
11 x Wellington Ic bombing from 6000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
10 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 6000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 6000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 35 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 74
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 109

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 15
B-17E Fortress x 3
B-24D Liberator x 8

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 10 destroyed
B-17E Fortress: 3 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 2 destroyed by flak

Oil hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 6000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 6000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Meiktila , at 58,47

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 28,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 4
Hurricane XIIb x 2

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Hurricane XIIb sweeping at 25000 feet
2 x Hurricane IIb Trop sweeping at 25000 feet
2 x Hurricane IIb Trop sweeping at 25000 feet



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Morning Air attack on Darwin , at 76,124

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 28
A6M2-N Rufe x 30
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 28
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 11

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 16
B-17E Fortress x 6
B-24D Liberator x 6
B-25C Mitchell x 3
B-26 Marauder x 18
B-26B Marauder x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2-N Rufe: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 3 destroyed, 3 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 2 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 5 damaged
B-26 Marauder: 3 destroyed, 5 damaged
B-26B Marauder: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 22

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
2 x B-26B Marauder bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
10 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb


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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 55
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 91

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 15
B-17F Fortress x 15

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 10 destroyed
B-17F Fortress: 1 destroyed, 11 damaged
B-17F Fortress: 3 destroyed by flak

Oil hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x B-17F Fortress bombing from 6000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb


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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 27 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 47
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 60

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 16

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 6 destroyed


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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 45
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 57

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 16
B-17E Fortress x 22
B-17F Fortress x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 6 destroyed, 2 damaged
Blenheim IV: 1 destroyed by flak
B-17E Fortress: 13 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed by flak
B-17F Fortress: 3 destroyed, 13 damaged
B-17F Fortress: 1 destroyed by flak

Oil hits 37

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x B-17F Fortress bombing from 6000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
11 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 6000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
11 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 6000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x Blenheim IV bombing from 6000 feet
City Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Meiktila , at 58,47

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 24 NM, estimated altitude 27,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
Martlet II x 2

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Martlet II sweeping at 25000 feet



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Morning Air attack on Darwin , at 76,124

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 27
A6M2-N Rufe x 23
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 18
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 11

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 6
B-24D Liberator x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed by flak
B-24D Liberator: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
5 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Darwin , at 76,124

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 22
A6M2-N Rufe x 20
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 18
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 10

Allied aircraft
B-26 Marauder x 19

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-26 Marauder: 9 destroyed, 5 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 8

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
7 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb


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Morning Air attack on Darwin , at 76,124

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 33 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 16
A6M2-N Rufe x 10
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 18
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 9

Allied aircraft
B-26B Marauder x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-26B Marauder: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
B-26B Marauder: 1 destroyed by flak

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-26B Marauder bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb


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Morning Air attack on Darwin , at 76,124

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 21 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 15
A6M2-N Rufe x 6
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 18
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 9

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 3 damaged

Airbase hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb


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Morning Air attack on Darwin , at 76,124

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 5 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 1 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 12
A6M2-N Rufe x 5
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 18
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 9

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 2 damaged

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Darwin , at 76,124

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 32 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 12
A6M2-N Rufe x 5
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 18
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 9

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 7

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb


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Morning Air attack on Darwin , at 76,124

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 33 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 12
A6M2-N Rufe x 5
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 18
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 9

Allied aircraft
B-26 Marauder x 8

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-26 Marauder: 3 destroyed, 3 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 32
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 27

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed by flak

Oil hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 6000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb


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Morning Air attack on Darwin , at 76,124

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 22 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 6
A6M2-N Rufe x 3
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 16
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 9

Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17D Fortress: 2 damaged
B-17D Fortress: 1 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 28 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 25
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 8

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 5 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed by flak

Oil hits 8

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 6000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 18
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 5

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 3 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 2 destroyed by flak

Oil hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 6000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb


I don't know about the allies but all the IJAAF strikes were from a not overstacked level 8 airfield with 2x aviation support and an Air HQ flying a distance of 5 hexes

(in reply to Saros)
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