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Replenishment CVEs - 11/2/2012 6:37:57 PM   
Q-Ball


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Status: offline 		I haven't played Allies much, and just starting to get replenishment CVEs. I am curious if other Allied players use the replenishment mode, or if they just unload one of the airgroups and use as a regular CVE.

Most early-war CV battles are decided in the first day; not sure how important it is to have replacements flown immediately from a replenishment CVE. Even so, I wonder if 1 or 2 is sufficient, rather than the piles you actually get.

I can foresee using it more in 43-44, but by then you have dozens of CVEs, so having a few on replenishment is not a big deal

I am tempted to just unload one of the air units, and use them as regular CVEs until I have more

What do others do?
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RE: Replenishment CVEs - 11/2/2012 6:51:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		In scenario two I was always too short of aircraft in 43-44 to use them in their historic role but am now starting to use them. Mostly the VR squadrons were used by me for training pilots until later in the war. They are handy now but you really only need three or four CVEs dedicated to this role. The rest of them I use for escort and combat.

Note that these VR squadrons need not be on a CVE to provide replacements. If they are at a land base and your carriers are near enough then they will fly replacements out to your carriers. But they do work and for sustained operations is enemy waters can be very helpful.

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RE: Replenishment CVEs - 11/2/2012 7:10:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		As said, they are really handy training USN pilots. Some have mix of fighters and dive bombers, others have fighters and torpedo bombers. So one can train all CV pilots. Remember also that you can train USN fighter and bomber pilots with float planes (but not torpedo pilots).

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RE: Replenishment CVEs - 11/2/2012 7:37:23 PM   
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Remember also that you can train USN fighter and bomber pilots with float planes (but not torpedo pilots).


I have 2x 18 planes Kingfisher groups in the USA training up fighter pilots.

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RE: Replenishment CVEs - 11/2/2012 8:17:57 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

I haven't played Allies much, and just starting to get replenishment CVEs. I am curious if other Allied players use the replenishment mode, or if they just unload one of the airgroups and use as a regular CVE.

Most early-war CV battles are decided in the first day; not sure how important it is to have replacements flown immediately from a replenishment CVE. Even so, I wonder if 1 or 2 is sufficient, rather than the piles you actually get.

I can foresee using it more in 43-44, but by then you have dozens of CVEs, so having a few on replenishment is not a big deal

I am tempted to just unload one of the air units, and use them as regular CVEs until I have more

What do others do?


Mostly I have used them as normal CVEs, but in the late war when you're on deep ops they can really help your big, big CV TFs stay in the fight. Especially when there are kamis.

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RE: Replenishment CVEs - 11/2/2012 8:25:45 PM   
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RE: Replenishment CVEs - 11/2/2012 8:43:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Can you even fly squadrons off an overloaded CVE? Anyways, you might use them to get those extra squadrons to a land base closer to the front. If you need more carrier trained squadrons, use them for that. No need to use them exclusively to train pilots, you can do that from land bases, and of course I always use every carrier to train whoever's aboard when not in battle. Bullwinkle gave me an idea I hadn't thought of before though, keep a few CVEs a few hexes behind the action without any planes aboard, so if you lose one of your CVs or it is inoperable, it's squadrons can divert to the CVEs. On the subject of training pilots on float planes, I always switch out the Seagulls on the cruisers and BBs with Kingfishers ASAP. The Seagulls are just fine for training Navy pilots. Also, if it seems appropriate under whatever circumstances you're in, send the Brit carriers to Oz to help train USN squadrons. Then if you want to go into battle with them, they're much better off with USN and USMC squadrons operating off of them than those crappy Brit planes.

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RE: Replenishment CVEs - 11/2/2012 11:10:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		nice ideas, Gorn - & i'd never thought of using empty CVEs as 'rescue ships', so kudos to the Moose for that.

another thing is the early-war USMC sqns - many of them arrive w/ only 2 planes, which will squeeze aboard a USN CV no prob. 90 days later, they'll be carrier-trained (& you may well have enough planes to fill them out by then).

w/ the Repl CVEs, i generally fly off 1 of their 2 sqns for land-based training. they can conduct flight ops w/ the remaining sqn, i keep them as CVEscortTFs & switch them to ReplTF only if nearby CV TFs need replacement planes.

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RE: Replenishment CVEs - 11/2/2012 11:25:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		When I play Allies, I don't pull the replacement airgroups off. Doesn't seem all that consistent with the TOE the scenario designer has given me. (sort of like I won't size a 3 plane group up to 70 planes by dropping it on a CV for a turn).

Playing as Japan, it seems like some Allied players pull the replacement groups off and use them as combat groups. I'll probably ask for an HR on that in my next game. (Unless I pull a Bullwinkle and play a "absolutely no HR" game, which I'm mulling. But I have a ways to go before I start another campaign so I could change my mind 10 times before then)


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RE: Replenishment CVEs - 11/3/2012 1:29:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: erstad

Playing as Japan, it seems like some Allied players pull the replacement groups off and use them as combat groups. I'll probably ask for an HR on that in my next game. (Unless I pull a Bullwinkle and play a "absolutely no HR" game, which I'm mulling. But I have a ways to go before I start another campaign so I could change my mind 10 times before then)




It's working!!! It's working!!!!

(Evil laugh.)

Seriously, not having to look at a tear-stained sheaf of rules every turn is liberating. Just play with someone who isn't a jerk, or if you draw a jerk stab him back a few times.

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RE: Replenishment CVEs - 11/3/2012 8:25:12 AM   
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I haven't played Allies much, and just starting to get replenishment CVEs. I am curious if other Allied players use the replenishment mode, or if they just unload one of the airgroups and use as a regular CVE.

Most early-war CV battles are decided in the first day; not sure how important it is to have replacements flown immediately from a replenishment CVE. Even so, I wonder if 1 or 2 is sufficient, rather than the piles you actually get.

I can foresee using it more in 43-44, but by then you have dozens of CVEs, so having a few on replenishment is not a big deal

I am tempted to just unload one of the air units, and use them as regular CVEs until I have more

What do others do?


I resize them to 28, fly them off to the WC, "upgrade" them to the crumbiest plane available, & use them for pilot training. I then put VMF squadrons on the CVEs & use them to provide CAP for invasions or whatever other job is at hand.

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RE: Replenishment CVEs - 11/3/2012 8:58:01 AM   
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I use them in all desscribed ways (training, replenishment and fire brigades). I have a unit at Tenant Creek harrasing the Japs in the Northern Teritories, CVE support, and training on the west coast.

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RE: Replenishment CVEs - 11/3/2012 2:47:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Early on I pull them off the CVEs, then 'divide unit' enough fighters and torpedo bombers to give me two 9-plane fighter dets and a 9-plane TB det on each ship. This gives them a group almost identical to a 'normal' CVE.

The balance of the groups stay ashore for pilot training.

Now in mid-44 I'm retasking some of the CVEs for their intended purpose.

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RE: Replenishment CVEs - 11/3/2012 3:26:16 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

I haven't played Allies much, and just starting to get replenishment CVEs. I am curious if other Allied players use the replenishment mode, or if they just unload one of the airgroups and use as a regular CVE.

Most early-war CV battles are decided in the first day; not sure how important it is to have replacements flown immediately from a replenishment CVE. Even so, I wonder if 1 or 2 is sufficient, rather than the piles you actually get.

I can foresee using it more in 43-44, but by then you have dozens of CVEs, so having a few on replenishment is not a big deal

I am tempted to just unload one of the air units, and use them as regular CVEs until I have more

What do others do?



always using them as normal CVE, using them as fighter CVE that is. Pulling the SBD or TBF off the carriers to use them for training. Never had the need of using them as replenishment CVE. Means I will have roughly 140 more F4F late 42 early 43 in my carrier groups instead of only 180-200 from the CV alone.

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RE: Replenishment CVEs - 11/3/2012 3:59:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: castor troy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

I haven't played Allies much, and just starting to get replenishment CVEs. I am curious if other Allied players use the replenishment mode, or if they just unload one of the airgroups and use as a regular CVE.

Most early-war CV battles are decided in the first day; not sure how important it is to have replacements flown immediately from a replenishment CVE. Even so, I wonder if 1 or 2 is sufficient, rather than the piles you actually get.

I can foresee using it more in 43-44, but by then you have dozens of CVEs, so having a few on replenishment is not a big deal

I am tempted to just unload one of the air units, and use them as regular CVEs until I have more

What do others do?



always using them as normal CVE, using them as fighter CVE that is. Pulling the SBD or TBF off the carriers to use them for training. Never had the need of using them as replenishment CVE. Means I will have roughly 140 more F4F late 42 early 43 in my carrier groups instead of only 180-200 from the CV alone.



Yes, during this period the extra combat fighters are a must. I do the same. In 44-45 the replenishment CVEs become more useful as you tend to conduct operations deep in Japanese waters with large amount of air combat. Being able to replenish your big carrier air groups is much more important then.

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RE: Replenishment CVEs - 11/3/2012 5:04:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Even early on I have found that their ability to refill your CV squadrons gives the USN the ability to strike just as hard on the second day of a major CV confrontation as on the first. This can be a big difference maker.

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RE: Replenishment CVEs - 11/3/2012 5:29:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think that, untill maybe 1944, CVEs are a MUST used as "regular" CVEs, providing extra-CAP for your amphibious TFs (so that your CVs can be freely hunt the enemy, without having to cover both roles).

Maybe later they can be usefull for replenishment but, sincerly, i don't know.

Those VR squadrons are very usefull for training and also to give some free extra LBA groups that can be based on your newly conquered bases... also consider that, with the limitation of the allied production, those extra wildcats can be very very helpfull

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RE: Replenishment CVEs - 11/3/2012 10:17:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lots of alternate uses of the replen CVE's.
Most of them I hadnt thought of.
The replen option is very useful for attacking the Marianas

What I was hoping for was something to:

A) Remove the magnet which kamikazis use to attack every CVE they can see, even ignoring CV & BB
B) Something to show its a replen CVE when setting up TF's, I have 30+ CVE at Seattle and it take a long time to pick them out.

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