From: Denver Colorado
I'm sorry you guys can't accept the prima facie evidence that the game designers are biased in favor of the Soviet side. I can't prove anything to people who are blind.
But let's look at the Stalingrad thing again, because y'all say I don't have the facts:
The fact is that those divisions are removed from the east, taking manpower and gear with them. Historically, that manpower and gear were lost at Stalingrad. We can all agree on the fact, though, right, that in WitE, those divisions withdrawn actually take their man and material with them? Is that a fact? Yes, that's a fact, I'm sure of it. Disagreeing there means you're the one who is biased...
Is it also a fact that the replacement system for both men and material diverts both to the east & west based on the year of the game? That's a fact, yes. If you disagree, then you're the one who is out of touch with facts.
So... In 1943, is the number 75% that allocates to the eastern front, and 25% to the west? I forget, but let's assume it's 75% (because I forget the actual number). So it's March 1943, and you're divisions leave the eastern front. Meanwhile, in March 1943, you have 25% manpower/material going to the Western front.
Historically, when the divisions at Stalingrad surrendered and were re-created on paper in the western theater, they drew their actual manpower and material from the home front and went west. Did that manpower/material in the home theater subtract from men who would go east? We cannot know. Because Germany didn't have a 75/25 rule in history.
What you all conveniently overlook is that the pooled replacement system already counts the manpower that historical Germany used to fill those divisions in the west. In War in the East, Germany loses twice: You lose 125% of the manpower actually on map (plus the counter, which is big in and of itself). If these divisions were intact (rather than surrendered at Stalingrad) then you would expect the manpower pools to go UP by the amount of manpower in the division (then perhaps the pool system would re-allocate 75/25). But that's not what happens. The historical manpower that used to fill those divisions is still derived from the 25% that War in the East keeps unavailable. So the abstracted manpower that went west historically is taken west by the game, and whatever survived in the game (because of no stalingrad) leaves anyway too.
That's double the loss factor (though not necessarily 200%). How are these facts in dispute?
The reason I am petulant is because your hypocrisy knows no bounds. You guys consistently fail to address how the abstracted replacement system accounts for the divisions at Stalingrad surrendering (historically) and moving west. And then you call me the one who is detached from facts.
These are simple facts. The only reason that they can still elude you is because you are biased.
Spring 2018-Playing: Demyansk Shield: Frozen Fortress; Advanced Squad Leader,
Rulebooks: ASL (always ASL), Holland'44, Demyansk Shield: Frozen Fortress