From: Georgetown, Texas, USA
ORIGINAL: el cid again
RNZN Kiwi class minesweepers (clas slot 180) are incorrectly defined. A variant of the USN
Bird class, they have vastly more range than given, and a unique armament. For some
reason unknown to me, maximum speed is one knot less - at 13. The armament includes
a single 4 inch /45 forward and a peculiar, French dual Hotchkiss 3 pounder aft. Probably also
two rifle caliber machine guns. The listed displacement would be correct if standard is used
(no navy in the world uses standard displacement, a legal concept: damage control depends
on thinking in terms of full load displacement; when this is exceeded, the ship sinks!) But
the USN Bird class shows the correct full load value - so we should be consistent. There are three
members of the class - ship slots 1916 to 1918.
More courious still is the case of RNZN Matai. Fairly well defined in class slot 196, she was
a former lighthouse tender, but does not appear in the ship data at all as far as I can tell. I am
using ship slot 9730 for her. She has a similar 4 inch gun - although /40 caliber - and two 20 mm
in addition to probably two machine guns. Requistioned in May 1941, she was in service by the
time the Pacific War began.
Are you basing your statements about the Kiwi class on the US Bird class minesweepers??
The Kiwi class, of course, have no relationship to the US Bird class. They are modifications of the standard British Isles class trawlers, which were modified in both minesweeper/ASW and full anti-submarine configurations. The Kiwi class had the forecastle extended to midships and the bridge placed further aft.